Weeden
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
Really good points but imo its harder to find a qb than any other position. To me its worth the risk at 37.
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
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If we are targeting Weeden do we draft blackmon for the chemistry.
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His release was like .1 seconds. That's insane release speed.
His ability to find the timing within 7 throws was impressive.
Once he found the timing, he was nailing the targets.
The one he missed was by 6 inches. Any WR worth their salt should catch that.
He was throwing at 48mph...holy cow!
He's reportedly mature and ready (i.e. Not a project).
Not sold on Blackmon, but if the chemistry between Weeden and Blackmon creates a dynamic duo, then I'm all for it.
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I don't get how he is a project QB still
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No thank you. With those lead feet he'll get sacked more times than a French castle in the 1500's.
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His release was like .1 seconds. That's insane release speed.
His ability to find the timing within 7 throws was impressive.
Once he found the timing, he was nailing the targets.
The one he missed was by 6 inches. Any WR worth their salt should catch that.
He was throwing at 48mph...holy cow!
He's reportedly mature and ready (i.e. Not a project).
Not sold on Blackmon, but if the chemistry between Weeden and Blackmon creates a dynamic duo, then I'm all for it.
His release was like .1 seconds. That's insane release speed.
His ability to find the timing within 7 throws was impressive.
Once he found the timing, he was nailing the targets.
The one he missed was by 6 inches. Any WR worth their salt should catch that.
He was throwing at 48mph...holy cow!
He's reportedly mature and ready (i.e. Not a project).
Not sold on Blackmon, but if the chemistry between Weeden and Blackmon creates a dynamic duo, then I'm all for it.
Is the guy a workout warrior? It's different standing there with zero pass rush and hitting moving targets- can he do that with an NFL rush in his face? Remember the video of the kid tossing footballs into garbage cans 50 yards away? I believe he's flipping burgers somewhere now.
Can Weeden read a defense would be one of my other big concerns. @ 29, he won't have the luxury of a team giving him a couple of years to figure it out. If he's still there in the 4th round (he won't be) I'd give the green light to take a chance on the guy.
From NFL.com "Despite his baseball background, Weeden is only an average athlete and is very limited when scrambling. (4.8-4.9 40) He has a tough time getting outside the pocket, and his accuracy and touch decrease immensely when he scrambles. He seems to grasp route concepts and looks for his second option, but he will hold the ball for extended periods of times and could be a product of his quick-read offensive scheme."
I'm with Tour2- We have way bigger immediate needs than picking up a second tier quarterback high.
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4, 22, 37 need to fill starting positions at WR, RB, and RT.
The only way the Browns should ever consider Weeden is if he falls to the 3rd round.
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4, 22, 37 need to fill starting positions at WR, RB, and RT.
The only way the Browns should ever consider Weeden is if he falls to the 3rd round.
4, 22, 37 need to fill starting positions at WR, RB, and RT.
The only way the Browns should ever consider Weeden is if he falls to the 3rd round.
Thank you!
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
Your two cents make more sense than most can imagine.
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I still want RGIII.....
I don't see how Weeden is considered a "project QB" though
If we take Weeden, are you expecting him to be the starter on day one? Do you expect him to learn the system in pre-season? Do you expect him to be a strong contributor to the offence right away? I don't. And therefore he is a project. One we can't afford with the first three picks in this draft.
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As a Steeler fan, I'd think it would be awesome for you guys to select Weeden with the #22 pick overall. That's one more good player left on the boards for us to choose from. Even picking him at #37 wouldn't be a bad move from a Steeler's perspective.
From an objective standpoint, taking Weeden any higher than the 4th round seems to be a stupid move for any organization. The guy is 29, and whether or not he has wear and tear is irrelevant. The body does not heal and recover as fast in your 30's as it does in your 20's. Weeden still needs to learn your system, and expecting him to have a meaningful impact in 2012 would be stupid. At best he'll be ready by 2013, but your management staff won't have the luxury of letting a 1st or 2nd round QB learn the system for a year, if McCoy is struggling, which is what you'll really need to be successful long term.
As our GM says, you have to hit with you 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks or you set your franchise back a couple of years, unless you get lucky in the later rounds. You lost out on the top 2 QBs this year, it's better to put pieces in place and look to next year for your QB. If you get Weeden in the 4th and he pans out for you, then your team will be all the better for it.
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As I said in another thread I would only be ok (not necessarily overjoyed by ever having a 29 year old rookie that early) if we made Blackmon our #4 selection. Having Blackmon for Weeden to throw to is the only way that Weeden would be successful his rookie season and transition well without a sophomore slump.
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Wow... Steeler fan intelligencia... Who'd a thunk it?
Good point on the healing. That plus being reasonably immobile is not a great combo...
On the Draft... our GM basically says the same thing. That you expect 1st Rnders to step in and start, and 2nd/ 3rd Rnders to eventually start. Doesn't quite go as far as to say a 3rd round miss is devastating, but hit/ miss is a continuum, not an absolute. E.g., a 3rd rounder DB who never starts, but proves to be invaluable to the nickel package.
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Ok a mobile QB is nice, but is not a necessity. One of the greats of all time, Manning, isn't much of a runner, but he had poise in the pocket and timing with his receivers. Just sayin'. Wheeden has an arm and a quick release.
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I still want Austin Davis in the 5th round....he will be the SECOND best QB in this draft....either Luck or Griffin will be a bust somewhat.
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If Tannehill falls out of the top 20 (maybe out of the 1st round), will that allow us to wait until the 3rd round for Weeden?
Or if Tannehill falls ot us at 22, do we take him there?
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I like Weeden but I dont understand 2 thing
1. How is he "pro ready"? Just because hes old doesnt mean he is ready to step in right away. If anything that would hender him because he was out of the game for 5 years.
2. Where did this "lead footed" talk come from. He ran a 4.9 which isnt very good, but that is enough speed to get out of the pocket. If you watch some tape on him, he spends a good deal of time on the move.
With that said I wouldnt touch him until the late 3rd or 4th round. I would rather spend our early picks on setting up for our future QB to succeed. I love his arm strength, accuracy, confidence, and pocket awareness. The problem is that he throws off his back foot and trusts his arm too much. Weeden doesnt handle pressure very well and will force balls into coverage when he feels the heat. He also didnt spend very much time under center.
If he was 23 I think Weeden would be a late 1st rounder, but because he would have such a good upside. Since hes 28 people think he has to start his first year, but I think if you give him a season to learn the system and fix his mechanics, I think he could be a very good player.
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