Revisionist History
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Say the NFL decided when the current CBA is up that enough is enough. They are getting sued by every former player for concussions and the NFLPA is demanding way too much. So in 2020 the NFL just ends. The public will still want football, and eventually a new league will form, we'll call it WFL (World Football League). The WFL will have less teams than the NFL and will struggle for some time attracting an audience. Assume that eventually catches on, and reclaims the popularity the NFL once had about 10-15 years down the road. They have a championship game called the "Madden Bowl" and a trophy called the EA Sports Golden Pigskin (GP).
At first everyone will be like, this GP means nothing the Lombardi Trophy (LT) was the "real" item of value. Eventually, as the WFL becomes more and more popular, the historical LT will diminish in value and glory (that it holds now) and the GP will replace it. Like the LT, the GP will be the penultimate goal/prize in professional football. Super Bowls of yore will fad to distant memory. They will become an interesting footnote for a few franchises. As long as the Madden Bowl is played, the GP will increase in value and importance. It's what's of value now, even though there was only one definitive winner in the predecessor league.
The Browns victories of yore were a foundation for the leagues of the present, but those victories are not of the same value as a Super Bowl victory. The Browns also played and won at a time of competing leagues, further diminishing the achievement. Further, the leagues the Brown's played in were absorbed the current league, aka the NFL. While you may not like the perception, the perception is the surviving league was more important than the league that died, even if the league that died had "better" teams or played "better" football.
Endymion said:
Say the NFL decided when the current CBA is up that enough is enough. They are getting sued by every former player for concussions and the NFLPA is demanding way too much. So in 2020 the NFL just ends. The public will still want football, and eventually a new league will form, we'll call it WFL (World Football League). The WFL will have less teams than the NFL and will struggle for some time attracting an audience. Assume that eventually catches on, and reclaims the popularity the NFL once had about 10-15 years down the road. They have a championship game called the "Madden Bowl" and a trophy called the EA Sports Golden Pigskin (GP).
At first everyone will be like, this GP means nothing the Lombardi Trophy (LT) was the "real" item of value. Eventually, as the WFL becomes more and more popular, the historical LT will diminish in value and glory (that it holds now) and the GP will replace it. Like the LT, the GP will be the penultimate goal/prize in professional football. Super Bowls of yore will fad to distant memory. They will become an interesting footnote for a few franchises. As long as the Madden Bowl is played, the GP will increase in value and importance. It's what's of value now, even though there was only one definitive winner in the predecessor league.
The Browns victories of yore were a foundation for the leagues of the present, but those victories are not of the same value as a Super Bowl victory. The Browns also played and won at a time of competing leagues, further diminishing the achievement. Further, the leagues the Brown's played in were absorbed the current league, aka the NFL. While you may not like the perception, the perception is the surviving league was more important than the league that died, even if the league that died had "better" teams or played "better" football.
Wouldn't fewer teams created out of the same available player pool naturally create teams with a higher overall skill level at any time?
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I wouldn't say they have no meaning, but one has to be 55 years old to have any real recall of our last championship, so yeah, it's time to start winning.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
In 1976, calling Steeler fans was fiar game. In 2012? After 6 super bowl wins in THIRTY SIX YYEARS?
Thirty Six Years of competitive, SB winning, AFC winning, Afc North Winning, Kicking the shit out of the Browns?
Sorry, but you can hate the Steelers all you want, but they aren't bandwagon fans. They now have a very long, and rich heritage of winning. The overtook our head-to-head advantage, embarassingly with sweep after sweep after sweep.
As far as the Browns ancient championships go? They don't count and they don't mean shit. They have no modern day monetary, marketing or fan-appeal purpose. Only die hard fans know or care about this shit.
It is a sorry fucking shithole world if something only has value if it has current marketing appeal. Who in fucking hell ever said that something has to have current marketing appeal.
Besides that....I think you are completly wrong. I saw on a recent TV show where a program from the 1932 Championship game was valued at about $10,000.00. More than anything comparable from any Super Bowl.
So much for that theory of yours.
You can't compare the old teams wins with the events of JFK or MLK and the like. Those events are clear as a bell,and have impact to many people, of all ages. Most pleople can tell you how JFK and MLK was and what happened to them.
Ask people about Paul Brown, Lavelli, Motley, and 95% of America will look at you like you are incoherent.
I don't think so. The comparable political thing, since you brought it up is to ask them about Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.
And just because young dumbasses don't know something about history doesn't mean history isn't important.
How many people in America have never heard of Louisbourg or The Plains of Abraham? Probably 95%.....yet this same 95% all speak English, right? Yet, without those historical events, it is quite probable that we here in the State of Ohio...and in Tennessee and in the entire Great Lakes and Western US would be speaking French right now.
It is not our mandate to cowtow to those at the the lowest intellectual or educational level.
I am not going to do it even if, apparently, you choose to.
In the modern Era of football, the era WE LIVE IN..............The Browns franchise has been used to wipe shit out of the asses of Steeler fans, players and management. That's just how it is.
Yes, and at one time Brittania ruled the waves. That didn't mean they would forever.
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I wouldn't say they have no meaning, but one has to be 55 years old to have any real recall of our last championship, so yeah, it's time to start winning.
I wouldn't say they have no meaning, but one has to be 55 years old to have any real recall of our last championship, so yeah, it's time to start winning.
That is why I called this thread "Revisionist History".....which is really a misnomer. It should actually be "Truncated History" as I simply went back to that point in time where many of about that age do remember.
And Ghoolie brings up the fact that the assassinations of JFK and MLK are things deepseated in our memory. Sure, to us.
But not to 75% of the patrons on this board. Those are as much ancient history to them as the murders of McKinley and Garfield are to us.
Wanna bet how many could get the answer if I asked the trivia question: who killed McKinley and Garfield. 1 in 10 maybe?
Just because we don't remember the assassinations of Garfield and McKinley doesn't mean they didn't happen. Just because the 75% don't remember the assassinations of JFK and MLK don't mean they didn't happen.
Every once in a while someone has to educate the younger folk of what happened in the past. That is simply what I do.
I am not sure why there is such a Brouhaha over the fact that I relate a little bit of factual history on here. I mean, in the words of Jack Nicholson is there some reason that some "can't handle the truth"?
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The only Championships that mean anything to me are the ones that I, as a fan, would be able to experience and enjoy.
I don't get a ring or anything else when/if a Cleveland team wins a Championship. The only enjoyment of a Championship, for a team I follow, would be watching the team achieve it.
I was born in 1965. I have never been able to celebrate a Cleveland Championship. I guess I can taunt other teams fans with what happened prior to me being born, but overall, I would rather have watched the Browns win last years Super Bowl, than brag about all the Championships that happened in the 50's and 60's.
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The only Championships that mean anything to me are the ones that I, as a fan, would be able to experience and enjoy.
I don't get a ring or anything else when/if a Cleveland team wins a Championship. The only enjoyment of a Championship, for a team I follow, would be watching the team achieve it.
I was born in 1965. I have never been able to celebrate a Cleveland Championship. I guess I can taunt other teams fans with what happened prior to me being born, but overall, I would rather have watched the Browns win last years Super Bowl, than brag about all the Championships that happened in the 50's and 60's.
The Soldier said:
The only Championships that mean anything to me are the ones that I, as a fan, would be able to experience and enjoy.
I don't get a ring or anything else when/if a Cleveland team wins a Championship. The only enjoyment of a Championship, for a team I follow, would be watching the team achieve it.
I was born in 1965. I have never been able to celebrate a Cleveland Championship. I guess I can taunt other teams fans with what happened prior to me being born, but overall, I would rather have watched the Browns win last years Super Bowl, than brag about all the Championships that happened in the 50's and 60's.
Quite frankly my dear, who gives a damn what you are able to experience and enjoy. Just because something didn't happen during your meager existance doesn't mean it didn't happen...and it certainly doesn't mean that it doesn't "mean anything". See my next post. We all would like to have seen more victories here....but we haven't.
Besides, if you note, in my thread I list the statistics of all 48 major league markets, and all 124 major league franchises. Yet no one seems to get all stupid about the hundreds of old titles won by other towns or teams. Only about the ones Cleveland won. Why would some of y'all get your panties in a bunch and try to discount say the Canton Bulldogs titles won in the 20s when the New York Yankees were winning baseball titles those same years, and no one wants to discount them.
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Some of you don't know how close you were to giving the greetings "Bon Matin" or Ca va" today instead of saying "Good Morning" or "How's it going".......this illustrates how close you were to doing just that:
Everything west of the Appalachians including Cleveland/Pittsburgh/Detroit/Cincinatti/Chicago etc. etc. could have been talking French and playing curling instead of football if the English had not won the Seven Years War aka French and Indian War.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
In 1976, calling Steeler fans was fiar game. In 2012? After 6 super bowl wins in THIRTY SIX YYEARS?
Thirty Six Years of competitive, SB winning, AFC winning, Afc North Winning, Kicking the shit out of the Browns?
Sorry, but you can hate the Steelers all you want, but they aren't bandwagon fans. They now have a very long, and rich heritage of winning. The overtook our head-to-head advantage, embarassingly with sweep after sweep after sweep.
As far as the Browns ancient championships go? They don't count and they don't mean shit. They have no modern day monetary, marketing or fan-appeal purpose. Only die hard fans know or care about this shit.
You can't compare the old teams wins with the events of JFK or MLK and the like. Those events are clear as a bell,and have impact to many people, of all ages. Most pleople can tell you how JFK and MLK was and what happened to them.
Ask people about Paul Brown, Lavelli, Motley, and 95% of America will look at you like you are incoherent.
In the modern Era of football, the era WE LIVE IN..............The Browns franchise has been used to wipe shit out of the asses of Steeler fans, players and management. That's just how it is.
yes folks, come one come all....the real ghoulie has once again been caged and is showing his true colors. the old "oh i love the browns and HandH are great and we are finally going to kick the steeler's asses this year"..........HA! whoever bought into that shit still thinks rich4eagle and dickmellon and ghoulie are different entities.
you can be funny, articulate and very knowledgeable at times on the forum but you can't escape the true fact that if it became a 'draw straws' game of browns/steelers you'd always root for the steelers.
you embarrass yourself sometimes my friend. shameful.
you really care what the younger generation thinks about the 'written in stone' titles the browns won before the superbowl? if you do go put on your Tiny Canadian Pussy Douche cd and jam out going to work at old navy.
better yet fuck them and fuck you.
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The only Championships that mean anything to me are the ones that I, as a fan, would be able to experience and enjoy.
I don't get a ring or anything else when/if a Cleveland team wins a Championship. The only enjoyment of a Championship, for a team I follow, would be watching the team achieve it.
I was born in 1965. I have never been able to celebrate a Cleveland Championship. I guess I can taunt other teams fans with what happened prior to me being born, but overall, I would rather have watched the Browns win last years Super Bowl, than brag about all the Championships that happened in the 50's and 60's.
The Soldier said:
The only Championships that mean anything to me are the ones that I, as a fan, would be able to experience and enjoy.
I was born in 1965. I have never been able to celebrate a Cleveland Championship. I guess I can taunt other teams fans with what happened prior to me being born, but overall, I would rather have watched the Browns win last years Super Bowl, than brag about all the Championships that happened in the 50's and 60's.
but wear a vintage jim brown jersey to your sorority party and see if all your little girlfriends and tough gals who listen to pitbull or usher wouldn't be all over your swollen pussy.
as was said before: who gives a shit that you weren't around when you could brag about the browns' dynasty of championships.
what's the matter, can't read a book?
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
In 1976, calling Steeler fans was fiar game. In 2012? After 6 super bowl wins in THIRTY SIX YYEARS?
Thirty Six Years of competitive, SB winning, AFC winning, Afc North Winning, Kicking the shit out of the Browns?
Sorry, but you can hate the Steelers all you want, but they aren't bandwagon fans. They now have a very long, and rich heritage of winning. The overtook our head-to-head advantage, embarassingly with sweep after sweep after sweep.
As far as the Browns ancient championships go? They don't count and they don't mean shit. They have no modern day monetary, marketing or fan-appeal purpose. Only die hard fans know or care about this shit.
You can't compare the old teams wins with the events of JFK or MLK and the like. Those events are clear as a bell,and have impact to many people, of all ages. Most pleople can tell you how JFK and MLK was and what happened to them.
Ask people about Paul Brown, Lavelli, Motley, and 95% of America will look at you like you are incoherent.
In the modern Era of football, the era WE LIVE IN..............The Browns franchise has been used to wipe shit out of the asses of Steeler fans, players and management. That's just how it is.
yes folks, come one come all....the real ghoulie has once again been caged and is showing his true colors. the old "oh i love the browns and HandH are great and we are finally going to kick the steeler's asses this year"..........HA! whoever bought into that shit still thinks rich4eagle and dickmellon and ghoulie are different entities.
you can be funny, articulate and very knowledgeable at times on the forum but you can't escape the true fact that if it became a 'draw straws' game of browns/steelers you'd always root for the steelers.
you embarrass yourself sometimes my friend. shameful.
you really care what the younger generation thinks about the 'written in stone' titles the browns won before the superbowl? if you do go put on your Tiny Canadian Pussy Douche cd and jam out going to work at old navy.
better yet fuck them and fuck you.
yes folks, come one come all....the real ghoulie has once again been caged and is showing his true colors. the old "oh i love the browns and HandH are great and we are finally going to kick the steeler's asses this year"..........HA! whoever bought into that shit still thinks rich4eagle and dickmellon and ghoulie are different entities.
you can be funny, articulate and very knowledgeable at times on the forum but you can't escape the true fact that if it became a 'draw straws' game of browns/steelers you'd always root for the steelers.
you embarrass yourself sometimes my friend. shameful.
you really care what the younger generation thinks about the 'written in stone' titles the browns won before the superbowl? if you do go put on your Tiny Canadian Pussy Douche cd and jam out going to work at old navy.
better yet fuck them and fuck you.
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America the definitive award is the Stanley Cup, which originated with the NHL.
Just to clarify this again. The Stanley Cup did not originate with the NHL. It was being awarded 30 years before the NHL ever existed.
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I love this board. EVERYTHING here is about the Steelers.
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as we love your steeler forum when we have shots of your mom like this:
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I love this board. EVERYTHING here is about the Steelers.
I love this board. EVERYTHING here is about the Steelers.
No, actually, if the Steelers are mentioned it is because it is there fans who come on here obsessing about the Browns.
I can relate the entire history of 10 different leagues, 50 some different North American Sports markets, 150 different sports franchises.....and the only thing yinz wants to do is to complain about the listings contained within that entire compendium of data that deal with the Browns/NEOhio football history.
The myopia and paranoia are palpable.
Never fear....just because you are myopic and paranoid does not mean that people don't hate you and aren't after you.
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Endymion said:
Say the NFL decided when the current CBA is up that enough is enough. They are getting sued by every former player for concussions and the NFLPA is demanding way too much. So in 2020 the NFL just ends. The public will still want football, and eventually a new league will form, we'll call it WFL (World Football League). The WFL will have less teams than the NFL and will struggle for some time attracting an audience. Assume that eventually catches on, and reclaims the popularity the NFL once had about 10-15 years down the road. They have a championship game called the "Madden Bowl" and a trophy called the EA Sports Golden Pigskin (GP).
At first everyone will be like, this GP means nothing the Lombardi Trophy (LT) was the "real" item of value. Eventually, as the WFL becomes more and more popular, the historical LT will diminish in value and glory (that it holds now) and the GP will replace it. Like the LT, the GP will be the penultimate goal/prize in professional football. Super Bowls of yore will fad to distant memory. They will become an interesting footnote for a few franchises. As long as the Madden Bowl is played, the GP will increase in value and importance. It's what's of value now, even though there was only one definitive winner in the predecessor league.
The Browns victories of yore were a foundation for the leagues of the present, but those victories are not of the same value as a Super Bowl victory. The Browns also played and won at a time of competing leagues, further diminishing the achievement. Further, the leagues the Brown's played in were absorbed the current league, aka the NFL. While you may not like the perception, the perception is the surviving league was more important than the league that died, even if the league that died had "better" teams or played "better" football.
Wouldn't fewer teams created out of the same available player pool naturally create teams with a higher overall skill level at any time?
Wouldn't fewer teams created out of the same available player pool naturally create teams with a higher overall skill level at any time?
No, actually it wouldn't. If the NFL dissolved and a new league started, the new league would have less cash. The new league would not be a proven commodity so networks would invest less money into the broadcasts (see XFL). With less money, will come less interest from the most talented players (especially those who had big contracts in the now defunct league). Some people are born to play football, that's really all they can do. Those people will work for less and many of those types of players are not star calibre.
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Endymion said:
Say the NFL decided when the current CBA is up that enough is enough. They are getting sued by every former player for concussions and the NFLPA is demanding way too much. So in 2020 the NFL just ends. The public will still want football, and eventually a new league will form, we'll call it WFL (World Football League). The WFL will have less teams than the NFL and will struggle for some time attracting an audience. Assume that eventually catches on, and reclaims the popularity the NFL once had about 10-15 years down the road. They have a championship game called the "Madden Bowl" and a trophy called the EA Sports Golden Pigskin (GP).
At first everyone will be like, this GP means nothing the Lombardi Trophy (LT) was the "real" item of value. Eventually, as the WFL becomes more and more popular, the historical LT will diminish in value and glory (that it holds now) and the GP will replace it. Like the LT, the GP will be the penultimate goal/prize in professional football. Super Bowls of yore will fad to distant memory. They will become an interesting footnote for a few franchises. As long as the Madden Bowl is played, the GP will increase in value and importance. It's what's of value now, even though there was only one definitive winner in the predecessor league.
The Browns victories of yore were a foundation for the leagues of the present, but those victories are not of the same value as a Super Bowl victory. The Browns also played and won at a time of competing leagues, further diminishing the achievement. Further, the leagues the Brown's played in were absorbed the current league, aka the NFL. While you may not like the perception, the perception is the surviving league was more important than the league that died, even if the league that died had "better" teams or played "better" football.
Well, lets put it this way: You apparently are a football creationist. You believe the league was created out of the ether at a certain recent point in time that myth maker claim to be the origin. Your Adam was apparently Vince Lombardi, your Eve Chuck Noll.
I am a football evolutionist. I believe that football developed over a much longer period of time. There was life before Adam/Lombardi even if you fundamentalists want to ignore all the scientific evidence. Or, perhaps I am 4th dimensional, like the Shrike in the books you are named after. I am the future come to the past, and I am the past come to the future.
Whatever I am, be afraid, be very afraid :ph34r:
Well, lets put it this way: You apparently are a football creationist. You believe the league was created out of the ether at a certain recent point in time that myth maker claim to be the origin. Your Adam was apparently Vince Lombardi, your Eve Chuck Noll.
I am a football evolutionist. I believe that football developed over a much longer period of time. There was life before Adam/Lombardi even if you fundamentalists want to ignore all the scientific evidence. Or, perhaps I am 4th dimensional, like the Shrike in the books you are named after. I am the future come to the past, and I am the past come to the future.
Whatever I am, be afraid, be very afraid :ph34r:
No, I believe you are starved of championship glory and are looking for some way to feel better about a franchise that hasn't done very much since the NFL/AFL merger. You know your championships are lesser than those of modern era, but you find it amuzing to antagonize fans of other teams, especially fans of the Steelers. If the Browns had 8 Super Bowl championships as of today, you won't really care much about your ancient history.
I don't see how you can claim to be a football evolutionist. As an evolutionist you would recognize that things grow and change over time. Successful ideas stick around and become "tradition" and unsuccessful ideas die off and fade into obscurity. Your old leagues awards have gone the way of the dodo and fallen off the evolutionary chain. You are not from the 4th dimension, the cruciform virus has affected your thinking and you are stuck constantly trying to ressurrect your teams former archaic victories.
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Some of you don't know how close you were to giving the greetings "Bon Matin" or Ca va" today instead of saying "Good Morning" or "How's it going".......this illustrates how close you were to doing just that:
Everything west of the Appalachians including Cleveland/Pittsburgh/Detroit/Cincinatti/Chicago etc. etc. could have been talking French and playing curling instead of football if the English had not won the Seven Years War aka French and Indian War.
Some of you don't know how close you were to giving the greetings "Bon Matin" or Ca va" today instead of saying "Good Morning" or "How's it going".......
Everything west of the Appalachians including Cleveland/Pittsburgh/Detroit/Cincinatti/Chicago etc. etc. could have been talking French and playing curling instead of football if the English had not won the Seven Years War aka French and Indian War.
I don't buy this supposition. I think that if the French had won the French/Indian war we would be tea drinkers instead of coffee drinkers in America. Americans would've declared their independence from France instead of England and we would've enlisted the aid of the English instead of the French. Despite enlisting the aid of the French in our revolutionary war we still say all our greetings in English. However, the revolutionist brigands wouldn't have had a "tea party" in Boston harbor if the French were our oppressors. More than likely we wouldn't have "French Fries" as potatoes were a big export to France during that time period.
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The same argument steeler fans are using to discredit the Brown's championships (different time, different league, blah blah blah) can be used against the steelers as well. Free agency wasn't established until 1978. That's 2 Super Bowls (74 and 75) that don't count because it was a different time and leauge. The salary cap wasn't introduced until 1994, nullifying 4 Super Bowls (74, 75, 78, and 79) because, you guessed it, it was a different time and leauge. That's 4 Super Bowls discredited without taking into consideration medical and training advancements, progession of offensive and defensive techniques and strategy, as well as countless rule changes. Hell you can discredit the 05 and 08 Super Bowls due to rule changes alone. Now do I personally believe those championships, along with the Brown's championships, should be nullified? Not by any stretch, but the argument can be made both ways.
The fact of the matter is that the only Super Bowl that matters is the previous one and even that loses it's importance the second the upcoming season kicks off. At this point both Browns fans and steeler fans are clinging to past glory because neither won the Super Bowl last year. There is no disputing that.
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Well, lets put it this way: You apparently are a football creationist. You believe the league was created out of the ether at a certain recent point in time that myth maker claim to be the origin. Your Adam was apparently Vince Lombardi, your Eve Chuck Noll.
I am a football evolutionist. I believe that football developed over a much longer period of time. There was life before Adam/Lombardi even if you fundamentalists want to ignore all the scientific evidence. Or, perhaps I am 4th dimensional, like the Shrike in the books you are named after. I am the future come to the past, and I am the past come to the future.
Whatever I am, be afraid, be very afraid :ph34r:
No, I believe you are starved of championship glory and are looking for some way to feel better about a franchise that hasn't done very much since the NFL/AFL merger. You know your championships are lesser than those of modern era, but you find it amuzing to antagonize fans of other teams, especially fans of the Steelers. If the Browns had 8 Super Bowl championships as of today, you won't really care much about your ancient history.
I don't see how you can claim to be a football evolutionist. As an evolutionist you would recognize that things grow and change over time. Successful ideas stick around and become "tradition" and unsuccessful ideas die off and fade into obscurity. Your old leagues awards have gone the way of the dodo and fallen off the evolutionary chain. You are not from the 4th dimension, the cruciform virus has affected your thinking and you are stuck constantly trying to ressurrect your teams former archaic victories.
Endymion said:
No, I believe you are starved of championship glory and are looking for some way to feel better about a franchise that hasn't done very much since the NFL/AFL merger. You know your championships are lesser than those of modern era, but you find it amuzing to antagonize fans of other teams, especially fans of the Steelers. If the Browns had 8 Super Bowl championships as of today, you won't really care much about your ancient history.
ask the men that played in those leagues if the browns championships mean nothing. in fact you are wrong in every facet of this argument. history is history just because it didn't happen yesterday it doesn't mean it's forgotten. so if i were to say what your father and grandfather did (if anything) would you be upset if said said 'it means nothing'? how about the vets of war who gave their lives so you little pukes can wake up and say good morning instead of guten tag?
sure we as browns fans are pissed that we haven't done anything since then. but you just want to remember selective dates and times. how good were the steagles and the card-pitts when they first joined the NFL. HAHAHAHAHA! yet we came in and won the championship the first year after coming out of a league where we had won every title. but let's forget about that and just remember the 70's. so what it took you 20 years to get good?
read this and weep chump:
The Pittsburgh Steelers of the NFL first took to the field as the Pittsburgh Pirates on September 20, 1933, losing 23–2 to the New York Giants. Through the 1930s, the Pirates never finished higher than second place in their division, or with a record better than .500 (1936). Pittsburgh did make history in 1938 by signing Byron White, a future Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, to what was at the time the biggest contract in NFL history, but he played only one year with the Pirates before signing with the Detroit Lions. Prior to the 1940 season, the Pirates renamed themselves the Steelers.
During World War II, the Steelers experienced player shortages. They twice merged with other NFL franchises to field a team. During the 1943 season, they merged with the Philadelphia Eagles forming the "Phil-Pitt Eagles" and were known as the "Steagles". This team went 5–4–1. In 1944, they merged with the Chicago Cardinals and were known as Card-Pitt (or, mockingly, as the "Carpets")
. This team finished 0–10, marking the only winless team in franchise history. The Steelers made the playoffs for the first time in 1947, tying for first place in the division at 8–4 with the Philadelphia Eagles. This forced a tie-breaking playoff game at Forbes Field, which the Steelers lost 21–0. That would be Pittsburgh's only playoff game for the next 25 years; they did qualify for a "Playoff Bowl" in 1962 as the second-best team in their conference, but this was not considered an official playoff.
In 1970, the year they moved into Three Rivers Stadium and the year of the AFL-NFL merger, the Pittsburgh Steelers were one of three old-guard NFL teams to switch to the newly-formed American Football Conference (the others being the Cleveland Browns and the Baltimore Colts), in order to equalize the number of teams in the two conferences of the newly-merged league. The Steelers also received a $3 million ($18 million today) relocation fee, which was a windfall for them; for years they rarely had enough to build a true contending team.
so it took a stipen from the league to turn your team around and make the rooneys more corrupt. way to go pittsburgh. class act all the way.
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Well, lets put it this way: You apparently are a football creationist. You believe the league was created out of the ether at a certain recent point in time that myth maker claim to be the origin. Your Adam was apparently Vince Lombardi, your Eve Chuck Noll.
I am a football evolutionist. I believe that football developed over a much longer period of time. There was life before Adam/Lombardi even if you fundamentalists want to ignore all the scientific evidence. Or, perhaps I am 4th dimensional, like the Shrike in the books you are named after. I am the future come to the past, and I am the past come to the future.
Whatever I am, be afraid, be very afraid :ph34r:
No, I believe you are starved of championship glory and are looking for some way to feel better about a franchise that hasn't done very much since the NFL/AFL merger. You know your championships are lesser than those of modern era, but you find it amuzing to antagonize fans of other teams, especially fans of the Steelers. If the Browns had 8 Super Bowl championships as of today, you won't really care much about your ancient history.
I don't see how you can claim to be a football evolutionist. As an evolutionist you would recognize that things grow and change over time. Successful ideas stick around and become "tradition" and unsuccessful ideas die off and fade into obscurity. Your old leagues awards have gone the way of the dodo and fallen off the evolutionary chain. You are not from the 4th dimension, the cruciform virus has affected your thinking and you are stuck constantly trying to ressurrect your teams former archaic victories.
Endymion said:
No, I believe you are starved of championship glory and are looking for some way to feel better about a franchise that hasn't done very much since the NFL/AFL merger. You know your championships are lesser than those of modern era, but you find it amuzing to antagonize fans of other teams, especially fans of the Steelers. If the Browns had 8 Super Bowl championships as of today, you won't really care much about your ancient history.
If the Browns had 8 Super Bowls, I would then count them as having 16 titles instead of just 8. I would count Northeast Ohio as having 21 titles instead of 13.
I mean, I count the Chicago Bears franchise as having won more titles than any team except the Packers franchise....yet they have won only 1 Super Bowl.
I don't see how you can claim to be a football evolutionist. As an evolutionist you would recognize that things grow and change over time.
OH, I do....but more importantly I would also recognize the source from whence they sprang...and I would recognize all the stages in the devolpment process that brought us to where we are today.
Successful ideas stick around and become "tradition" and unsuccessful ideas die off and fade into obscurity. Your old leagues awards have gone the way of the dodo and fallen off the evolutionary chain.
They haven't fallen off at all. They have simply morphed into what we have today.
If, in football terms, there are entities that have fallen off the football chain of evolution it is the likes of the WFL, USFL, XFL that have fallen off.
No, what we have here is a dinosaur that has evolved into a bird. Or perhaps devolved from a bird into a dinosaur. Instead of an elegant, beauteous thing that soars, we have a an all consuming, ravenous, grotesque predator that consumes everything in its path. No, I think the traditions of the early league(s) is still a bit omnipresent. Some of the greatest players/moments in NFL lore come from the early age.
I mean, just like today, they may make a movie called: Paul Brown, Zombie Slayer.
You are not from the 4th dimension, the cruciform virus has affected your thinking and you are stuck constantly trying to ressurrect your teams former archaic victories.
Not resurrect, simply honor and remember. Again, it is a simple ongoing tally that begins at the beginning, not halfway through the story. Somehow some Steeler fans want to make more of it than it is. It is a simple tally.
Is it a recognition of the frustration of what has happened to some teams? Sure.
When I report that The Cubs haven't won a title since 1908 it is both a recognition of that frustration and a sort of cheerleading for them to make it end.
At the same time it relates the drama of sports. A few listings to illustrate:
A. When I list the fact that the Arizona Cardinals have gone longer than anyone but the Cubs since a title, one cannot help but recall how close they were in 2008....within a minute and a decent defensive play...of removing them from the bottom rungs of that list.
B. When I list the Cleveland Indians as 3rd longest, one cannot help but recall the 1997 WS when they were within two outs of winning it all.
C. When I list the Texas Rangers as having not won a title since they originated in 1960, you can't help but think about how they were 1 strike away from it all last year.
There may be a few other examples of that nature.
If I have to list that the Lakers or Celtics or Yankees have won another title, it is a big bore, because there is no story or romance to those teams winning. It is ho-mum, wake me up when it is over time for the likes of those......but it was a hell of a story to see the Red Sox and White Sox and Blackhawks and SF Giatns and even the LA Kings break decades and decades of futility. Because today's events can only make sense when they are attached to history. It was a big fucking deal when the Steelers broke 40 years of suckitude when they won their first championship.. It was basically ho hum when they won in 2008 after winning in 2005. But...if they go the next 40-50 years without a title, it will be a big deal for them to contend for one in the future (that won't include you or I).
Sure, it is interesting right here, right now to watch the events being contested on the sporting fields of America......but it is far more interesting when viewed with the perspective of history...knowing that maybe a certain segment of frustrated fans could finally get a chance in the spotlight.
I am not trying to put the Browns titles in the spotlight....but neither should the lignts be turned out on them. They are like the Arc of the Covenant in Indiana Jones. They are put away in storage.....But that does not mean that they weren't one of the most awesome artifacts of human history.[/quote]
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