Top 30 Qbs
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brees is rated too high. yes he's tough and talented BUT let's see him play in our division in december.
i'd like to see what his numbers are playing outside instead on inside that cushy little dome of his. no wind effect, no snow or rain.....GTFO.
my top five would be
1.rodgers
2. brady
3. eli manning
4. roethlisberger
5. brees
i would have put peyton manning ahead of brees his health is a big ? mark for me.
brees is rated too high. yes he's tough and talented BUT let's see him play in our division in december.
i'd like to see what his numbers are playing outside instead on inside that cushy little dome of his. no wind effect, no snow or rain.....GTFO.
my top five would be
1.rodgers
2. brady
3. eli manning
4. roethlisberger
5. brees
i would have put peyton manning ahead of brees his health is a big ? mark for me.
I would rank as follows
1,2 Brady and Brees interchangeable
3. Rogers
4 Roethlisberger
Eli is too high at five and Peyton is too risky
Culter should be about 20 he can blow a big game every time
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Playing quarterback. Not sure what those numbers are....but I will trust my eyes.
Your eyes thought Colt McCoy was taller than 6'1.
Those numbers are career completions, attempts, yards, completion pct. yards per att., touchdowns, interceptions and quarterback rating.
They all favor Wallace.
I don't mind an athletic veteran backup that is 5'11.
I can't stomach a weak armed, slow thinking starter that is 6'1.
If you think McCoy would be a more suitable backup than Wallace you are entitled to your opinion.
I don't think McCoy adds much value to the equation at all. I keep the athletic veteran that has been in the system forever to backup the Weedster and develop a third young guy (with a real arm) to assume the backup mantle.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Your eyes thought Colt McCoy was taller than 6'1.
Those numbers are career completions, attempts, yards, completion pct. yards per att., touchdowns, interceptions and quarterback rating.
They all favor Wallace.
I don't mind an athletic veteran backup that is 5'11.
I can't stomach a weak armed, slow thinking starter that is 6'1.
If you think McCoy would be a more suitable backup than Wallace you are entitled to your opinion.
I don't think McCoy adds much value to the equation at all. I keep the athletic veteran that has been in the system forever to backup the Weedster and develop a third young guy (with a real arm) to assume the backup mantle.
Zombo
I say keep all three for now. Wallace and Colt were successful in college, so that may translate. Both have been victims of playing for shit especially Colt with the crap surrounding him. Of course unless we get an offer we cannot refuse
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Zombo said:
OK, you are officially the only person on earth that thinks Colt McCoy has a stronger arm than Seneca Wallace. Including Colt's mom. Nothing wrong with that.
Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, etc. etc. had bazooka arms. It didn't make them good QBs.
I am not sure how you would measure arm strength between Wallace and McCoy. Suffice it to say I would still rather have McCoy as my QB than Wallace.
But...yet again, I repeat my position: I would at this point advocate that neither be a member of the Cleveland Browns. Bring in Donovan McNabb to be a backup, then bring in a young 3rd string QB....or pick up Troy Smith, whatever
Bring in Donovan McNabb to be a backup, then bring in a young 3rd string QB...
What did the worms at Browns Stadium ever do to you?
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Ron Jaworski is doing his Top 30 NFL QBs. I believe the Final List will look like this:
1. Rodgers
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. P. Manning
5. E. Manning
6. Roethlisberger
7. Rivers
8. Cutler
9. Flacco
10. Romo
11. Ryan
12. Vick
13. Schaub
14. Stafford
15. Newton
16. Alex Smith
17. Freema
18. Hasselback
19. Dalton
20. Bradford
21. Carson Palmer
22. Cassell
23. Sanchez
24. Fitzpatrick
25. Kolb
26. Matt Moore
27. Flynn
28. Ponder
29. Gabbert
30. Tebow
The question is: who are overrated/underrated in your opinion?
Note: The Colts/Browns/Redskins did not have a QB ranked because it is believed that all three teams will have a rookie at starting QB. The Jets got 2 QBs probably because of A. the fact that Tebow was a starter last year and B. the fact that they are Tebow suckasses and just want to play up his hype.
(Ghoolie: note, with these past 2 posts I am trying to get some football discussion going)
Ron Jaworski is doing his Top 30 NFL QBs. I believe the Final List will look like this:
1. Rodgers
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. P. Manning
5. E. Manning
6. Roethlisberger
7. Rivers
8. Cutler
9. Flacco
10. Romo
11. Ryan
12. Vick
13. Schaub
14. Stafford
15. Newton
16. Alex Smith
17. Freema
18. Hasselback
19. Dalton
20. Bradford
21. Carson Palmer
22. Cassell
23. Sanchez
24. Fitzpatrick
25. Kolb
26. Matt Moore
27. Flynn
28. Ponder
29. Gabbert
30. Tebow
The question is: who are overrated/underrated in your opinion?
Note: The Colts/Browns/Redskins did not have a QB ranked because it is believed that all three teams will have a rookie at starting QB. The Jets got 2 QBs probably because of A. the fact that Tebow was a starter last year and B. the fact that they are Tebow suckasses and just want to play up his hype.
(Ghoolie: note, with these past 2 posts I am trying to get some football discussion going)
Hello Kasko
How are you?
Reds are doing well this season. What say you?
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Bring in Donovan McNabb to be a backup, then bring in a young 3rd string QB...
What did the worms at Browns Stadium ever do to you?
What did the worms at Browns Stadium ever do to you?
The issue with McNabb and the Redskins was the fact that he had a bad attitude in that he was unwilling to accept the fact that he was no longer a premiere starting QB in this league.
I think now he has clearly gotten that message and I think he MUST now know that the only way he can even have a job in this league is if he plays the mentor/backup role. If he accepts that proposition....and with his knowledge of the Shurmur offense (whom, after all, he played under in Philly for years), he might make a decent mentor/backup QB.
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What did the worms at Browns Stadium ever do to you?
The issue with McNabb and the Redskins was the fact that he had a bad attitude in that he was unwilling to accept the fact that he was no longer a premiere starting QB in this league.
I think now he has clearly gotten that message and I think he MUST now know that the only way he can even have a job in this league is if he plays the mentor/backup role. If he accepts that proposition....and with his knowledge of the Shurmur offense (whom, after all, he played under in Philly for years), he might make a decent mentor/backup QB.
The issue with McNabb and the Redskins was the fact that he had a bad attitude in that he was unwilling to accept the fact that he was no longer a premiere starting QB in this league.
I think now he has clearly gotten that message and I think he MUST now know that the only way he can even have a job in this league is if he plays the mentor/backup role. If he accepts that proposition....and with his knowledge of the Shurmur offense (whom, after all, he played under in Philly for years), he might make a decent mentor/backup QB.
I gotta disagree with you Gip (and not just because of what happened in Washington).
McNabb is a quarterback who has WAY too high of an opinion of himself. He didn't want to wear a wristband during the game - thought he was too good for that (nevermind that Manning and Brady both wear them). He considers himself too good to practice any new schemes/ideas/anything and doesn't want to put in the work. His time in Minnesota under a scheme that was supposed to "fit his talents" was more of a bust than his time in Washington. He had the opportunity to be a mentor/backup QB to Ponder, and by all accounts wanted no part of that.
Even if he does know that the only chance at a job is as a backup, he's too prideful to lower himself to that role. He essentially said as much earlier in the offseason - that he's "looking at some teams" to sign with them, because "some team is going to have an injury or something, and the phone will be ringing."
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I think Romo and Flacco are vastly overrated...I happen to think they both suck!
Romo does choke in big games....but seems to have a lot of big games in regular season.
In fairness to Flacco, if Lee Evans doesn't drop that TD pass, Flacco has his team in the SB last year.
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Evans: Catch or no catch?
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Evans: Catch or no catch?
Evans: Catch or no catch?
That's not a catch. The issue here is the "process of the catch" question. It's like if the ball gets jarred out after the receiver falls to the ground it's incomplete. Ball got knocked out before he had a chance to complete the catch.
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Evans: Catch or no catch?
That's not a catch. The issue here is the "process of the catch" question. It's like if the ball gets jarred out after the receiver falls to the ground it's incomplete. Ball got knocked out before he had a chance to complete the catch.
That's not a catch. The issue here is the "process of the catch" question. It's like if the ball gets jarred out after the receiver falls to the ground it's incomplete. Ball got knocked out before he had a chance to complete the catch.
Under the new rules, yes, I think you are right. Under older rules, if a WR had control of the ball and had two feet on the ground, it was a catch. But they have changed the rule.
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That's not a catch. The issue here is the "process of the catch" question. It's like if the ball gets jarred out after the receiver falls to the ground it's incomplete. Ball got knocked out before he had a chance to complete the catch.
Under the new rules, yes, I think you are right. Under older rules, if a WR had control of the ball and had two feet on the ground, it was a catch. But they have changed the rule.
Under the new rules, yes, I think you are right. Under older rules, if a WR had control of the ball and had two feet on the ground, it was a catch. But they have changed the rule.
Yes, it would have been ruled a catch, but I still think that under the old rules that should not have been a catch. To me at least, there needs to be some semblance of control after the two feet touch. The ball was knocked out immediately, meaning he lost control of it, which I don't consider a catch. Of course, I'm not making the rules, so my opinion really doesn't matter
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Romo does choke in big games....but seems to have a lot of big games in regular season.
In fairness to Flacco, if Lee Evans doesn't drop that TD pass, Flacco has his team in the SB last year.
Romo blows and is a loser
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