Verified: Browns May Be Sold
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This guy has stated that he is "a Steeler fan 1000%"
Who would want this guy as our owner? (except the kool-aid drinkers here) Are there are no Cleveland people who want the team?
This is owner that has no ties to Cleveland. If the team makes money, he will be fine.
Last year he didn't care about the Browns. Now he is going to own them.
Anyone that thinks this is a positive thing just doesn't understand.
The Soldier said:
This guy has stated that he is "a Steeler fan 1000%"
Who would want this guy as our owner? (except the kool-aid drinkers here) Are there are no Cleveland people who want the team?
This is owner that has no ties to Cleveland. If the team makes money, he will be fine.
Last year he didn't care about the Browns. Now he is going to own them.
Anyone that thinks this is a positive thing just doesn't understand.
I would bet you that he is a 1000% fan of wherever his money is. I heard he was a Cowboy fan, but when the Art Rooney sons and brothers decided to get out of football in favor of their racing and casino operations, Dan and Art II needed to bring in an investor to help pay off his brothers, and that is when they brought in Haslam apparently to take on a minority piece of the action and cash out those other Rooneys.
Now, it seems that Haslam has gotten a taste of the NFL action and likes it and has decided that he would like to be the Big Dog in the room, not just a puppy. So when he heard about the ambivalence of Randy toward his ownership of the Browns he apparently decided to pounce and try to buy the Browns.
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This guy has stated that he is "a Steeler fan 1000%"
Who would want this guy as our owner? (except the kool-aid drinkers here) Are there are no Cleveland people who want the team?
This is owner that has no ties to Cleveland. If the team makes money, he will be fine.
Last year he didn't care about the Browns. Now he is going to own them.
Anyone that thinks this is a positive thing just doesn't understand.
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Haslam has been a minority investor in the Pittsburgh Steelers and in a 2010 profile told the team's Steelers.com Web site that he had been a Dallas Cowboys and then an Indianapolis Colts fan. But with Pittsburgh investment, Haslam said he had become ''1,000 percent a Steelers fan.''
Haslam and his wife donated $10 million to the University of Tennessee for scholarship and faculty programs.
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Per the above the only real passion the guy has is for UT. If he was at one time a Cowboy/Colt/Steeler fan obviously he is only following his money.
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Also, apparently one of the other possible investors is form Eagles President Joe Banner would also be part of the ownership group:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Banner
If that were the case, Banner would almost certainly replace Holmgren. Heckert would probably stay because of close connections with Banner.
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So, now also apparently this could be an ownership group with Jay Schottenstein of Columbus also being part of the group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Schottenstein
query: is it "Shot en stine" or "Shot en steen"?
Or, in the words of Gene Wilder "is it doo doo".
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I am also hearing that the Schottenstein's may be making a rival bid for the team....not that they are part of the Haslam group.
Randy may be trying to put the team up for bids. I guess that is smart.
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The Soldier said:
This guy has stated that he is "a Steeler fan 1000%"
Who would want this guy as our owner?
Just making the Steelers owning of the Browns a little more official.
Just making the Steelers owning of the Browns a little more official.
STFU
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Just making the Steelers owning of the Browns a little more official.
STFU
STFU
Lerner, Haslam, Schottenstein all have far more net worth than Rooney.....so obviously having $$$ does not correlate to NFL success. The Green Bay Packers are owned not by one wealthy person, but by thousands of working class people.
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Haslam has been a minority investor in the Pittsburgh Steelers and in a 2010 profile told the team's Steelers.com Web site that he had been a Dallas Cowboys and then an Indianapolis Colts fan. But with Pittsburgh investment, Haslam said he had become ''1,000 percent a Steelers fan.''
Haslam and his wife donated $10 million to the University of Tennessee for scholarship and faculty programs.
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Per the above the only real passion the guy has is for UT. If he was at one time a Cowboy/Colt/Steeler fan obviously he is only following his money.
Haslam has been a minority investor in the Pittsburgh Steelers and in a 2010 profile told the team's Steelers.com Web site that he had been a Dallas Cowboys and then an Indianapolis Colts fan. But with Pittsburgh investment, Haslam said he had become ''1,000 percent a Steelers fan.''
Haslam and his wife donated $10 million to the University of Tennessee for scholarship and faculty programs.
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Per the above the only real passion the guy has is for UT. If he was at one time a Cowboy/Colt/Steeler fan obviously he is only following his money.
I don't like the idea of an owner who has zero connection with the team, or no loyalty to an area. And I'd question if Haslam by himself has the $$$$$ to pull off a successful sale. I'd hazard a guess the sale price of the Browns would be Haslam's total net worth. The Cowboys fer sure are worth more than a billion, ditto the Giants.
At least Shottensteen has an Ohio connection. If Randy wants out- adios, but we could do worse. We get a Dan Snyder II in here I'd puke.
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The timing of this couldn't be worse. Just as there is some excitement generating about this team with all the young potential stars, and now we gotta deal with this drama?
And if Banner is included in the ownership group, then we end up with a problem like we had with Carmen Policy. Now granted, Banner ran a very successful Eagles team, so he's a good team administrator. But Policy also was good in San Fran, but when he had the far reaching power he had in Cleveland, he basically hamstrung the team for years (we are still feeling the effects).
Personally though, I never thought Lerner was an issue. He threw money around at the request of the GM and Coach/GM, and that didn't work. We don't need an owner to be real visible or invested from day to day. We just need an owner that isn't a skinflint. And Lerner never has been.
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The timing of this couldn't be worse. Just as there is some excitement generating about this team with all the young potential stars, and now we gotta deal with this drama?
And if Banner is included in the ownership group, then we end up with a problem like we had with Carmen Policy. Now granted, Banner ran a very successful Eagles team, so he's a good team administrator. But Policy also was good in San Fran, but when he had the far reaching power he had in Cleveland, he basically hamstrung the team for years (we are still feeling the effects).
Personally though, I never thought Lerner was an issue. He threw money around at the request of the GM and Coach/GM, and that didn't work. We don't need an owner to be real visible or invested from day to day. We just need an owner that isn't a skinflint. And Lerner never has been.
The timing of this couldn't be worse. Just as there is some excitement generating about this team with all the young potential stars, and now we gotta deal with this drama?
And if Banner is included in the ownership group, then we end up with a problem like we had with Carmen Policy. Now granted, Banner ran a very successful Eagles team, so he's a good team administrator. But Policy also was good in San Fran, but when he had the far reaching power he had in Cleveland, he basically hamstrung the team for years (we are still feeling the effects).
Personally though, I never thought Lerner was an issue. He threw money around at the request of the GM and Coach/GM, and that didn't work. We don't need an owner to be real visible or invested from day to day. We just need an owner that isn't a skinflint. And Lerner never has been.
I couldnt agree more when it comes to timing. Its not the ideal time of year for this kind of mega change. I like the way things are rollin right now. IMO with the way our F.O. is currently set up and shaping up the owner doesn't need to be hands on, just financially hands on. I think the organization as a whole, is in the best position its been in since our return. I just cringe at the thought of a shake up at this point when weve come so far in just a few short years.
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Everything about this deal looks positive.
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I am pretty sure this is just an investment group and not a selling of the entire team.
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Haslam has been a minority investor in the Pittsburgh Steelers and in a 2010 profile told the team's Steelers.com Web site that he had been a Dallas Cowboys and then an Indianapolis Colts fan. But with Pittsburgh investment, Haslam said he had become ''1,000 percent a Steelers fan.''
Haslam and his wife donated $10 million to the University of Tennessee for scholarship and faculty programs.
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Per the above the only real passion the guy has is for UT. If he was at one time a Cowboy/Colt/Steeler fan obviously he is only following his money.
I don't like the idea of an owner who has zero connection with the team, or no loyalty to an area. And I'd question if Haslam by himself has the $$$$$ to pull off a successful sale. I'd hazard a guess the sale price of the Browns would be Haslam's total net worth. The Cowboys fer sure are worth more than a billion, ditto the Giants.
At least Shottensteen has an Ohio connection. If Randy wants out- adios, but we could do worse. We get a Dan Snyder II in here I'd puke.
I don't like the idea of an owner who has zero connection with the team, or no loyalty to an area. And I'd question if Haslam by himself has the $$$$$ to pull off a successful sale. I'd hazard a guess the sale price of the Browns would be Haslam's total net worth. The Cowboys fer sure are worth more than a billion, ditto the Giants.
At least Shottensteen has an Ohio connection. If Randy wants out- adios, but we could do worse. We get a Dan Snyder II in here I'd puke.
I understand that while Jim Haslam III may himself have "only" an 800 mill net worth, his family's net worth is like 3 billion. His father, the founder of his company is still alive and in his 80s so Jimmy Boy may be in line for an additional big inheritance.
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My guess is, it isn't an outright purchase. That it will be a purchase of 30% of the team for controlling ownership.
My guess is, it isn't an outright purchase. That it will be a purchase of 30% of the team for controlling ownership.
30% would not be controlling interest by any means.
Recall that when Art Modell owned the Browns he actually only owned 52%...but that was enough to give him control. Bob Gries owned 43% and Al Lerner 5%.
Haslam has a minority interest in the Steelers. Why would he trade laterally? No, he wants to trade up to majority status.
The only other possibility that would constitute a minority interest is if it included the option to purchase a majority interest after a period of time, like 2=3-5 yrs.
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a new owner does not necessarily equate to a better owner. careful what ya wish for.....if an owner with deep pockets and ties to cleveland isn't enough for you browns fans, what exactly are you looking for in an owner? someone of dan snyders ilk thats constantly fucking with the organization? a jerry jones that imposes his will on his football men?
many of you incorrectly think that a owner with a football IQ will somehow make us a winner. i dont need to list the reasons why thats an idiotic assumption. whats so wrong with lerner.....that he bought another team in a different country in a different sport....that you feel slighted because lerner isn't with the team 100% of the time, devoting his complete and undivided attention to this one aspect of his life so ya can feel like he's trying.....that he's learning along the way after inheriting the team rather than be a born and bred football guy?
so ya think there's so fucking many better owners, eh? nah....thats too easy. methinks some of you will never be happy regardless of who owns the team.....with nothing to bitch about, life would seem meaningless....
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My guess is, it isn't an outright purchase. That it will be a purchase of 30% of the team for controlling ownership.
30% would not be controlling interest by any means.
Recall that when Art Modell owned the Browns he actually only owned 52%...but that was enough to give him control. Bob Gries owned 43% and Al Lerner 5%.
Haslam has a minority interest in the Steelers. Why would he trade laterally? No, he wants to trade up to majority status.
The only other possibility that would constitute a minority interest is if it included the option to purchase a majority interest after a period of time, like 2=3-5 yrs.
30% would not be controlling interest by any means.
Recall that when Art Modell owned the Browns he actually only owned 52%...but that was enough to give him control. Bob Gries owned 43% and Al Lerner 5%.
Haslam has a minority interest in the Steelers. Why would he trade laterally? No, he wants to trade up to majority status.
The only other possibility that would constitute a minority interest is if it included the option to purchase a majority interest after a period of time, like 2=3-5 yrs.
30% is what’s required by the NFL to have controlling interest and be considered the Owner of Record. I believe that’s what Rooney has.
If Lerner himself has 52% and he sells 30%, then he no longer has Controlling Interest.
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a new owner does not necessarily equate to a better owner. careful what ya wish for.....if an owner with deep pockets and ties to cleveland isn't enough for you browns fans, what exactly are you looking for in an owner? someone of dan snyders ilk thats constantly fucking with the organization? a jerry jones that imposes his will on his football men?
many of you incorrectly think that a owner with a football IQ will somehow make us a winner. i dont need to list the reasons why thats an idiotic assumption. whats so wrong with lerner.....that he bought another team in a different country in a different sport....that you feel slighted because lerner isn't with the team 100% of the time, devoting his complete and undivided attention to this one aspect of his life so ya can feel like he's trying.....that he's learning along the way after inheriting the team rather than be a born and bred football guy?
so ya think there's so fucking many better owners, eh? nah....thats too easy. methinks some of you will never be happy regardless of who owns the team.....with nothing to bitch about, life would seem meaningless....
a new owner does not necessarily equate to a better owner. careful what ya wish for.....if an owner with deep pockets and ties to cleveland isn't enough for you browns fans, what exactly are you looking for in an owner? someone of dan snyders ilk thats constantly fucking with the organization? a jerry jones that imposes his will on his football men?
many of you incorrectly think that a owner with a football IQ will somehow make us a winner. i dont need to list the reasons why thats an idiotic assumption. whats so wrong with lerner.....that he bought another team in a different country in a different sport....that you feel slighted because lerner isn't with the team 100% of the time, devoting his complete and undivided attention to this one aspect of his life so ya can feel like he's trying.....that he's learning along the way after inheriting the team rather than be a born and bred football guy?
so ya think there's so fucking many better owners, eh? nah....thats too easy. methinks some of you will never be happy regardless of who owns the team.....with nothing to bitch about, life would seem meaningless....
Yes, you make all valid points. The only thing I will say is that, to date, Randy tried to hire the right people...Savage, Butch Davis, Crennell etc., but it just didn't work out.
And the Holmgren experience to date is not a success....and he may in fact be on the way out.
The other thing I will note is that I feel it is a fact that owning the Browns was thrust upon Randy when his dad died, it was not something he was looking or wanting to do: own an NFL team.
At least with Haslam, we will know that he will WANT to be an NFL owner. How good he will do remains to be seen. Will he be a Bob Kraft/Dan Rooney or a Dan Snyder/Jerry Jones
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