Richardson Won't Go Down
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Weeden didn't give up 40+ points. I'd say he's probably not the weakest link.
Weeden didn't give up 40+ points. I'd say he's probably not the weakest link.
LOL
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I hate to sound like a fan but - given the apparent potential of the offense and the likely to add a Defensive Stud or two in the upcoming draft, things might be looking up. They will draft extremely high. Maybe #1?????????????????????
I've been screaming for a LB forever. All we ever do is draft LBs in round 4 or later.
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like the time the LB was on the ground and was trying to tackle him from his jock and set him up for one of the DEs to come in and bust the fuck out of him?
yeah. i saw that too.
maybe after today he and RGlll will learn how to go down when necessary.
like the time the LB was on the ground and was trying to tackle him from his jock and set him up for one of the DEs to come in and bust the fuck out of him?
yeah. i saw that too.
maybe after today he and RGlll will learn how to go down when necessary.
I kept saying that today as well, he can live to fight another day.
You have clearly never played the sport.
You can't tell a guy to go down when he's playing a game. It's ingrained in players at a young age to fight for every inch. To never give up.
While it may make sense in terms of injuries, a players will never just "go down" and live to die another day. And if he does, that's not a player you want on your team.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I cannot imagine that we would take a QB first overall. Weeden is far from the biggest problem on this team.
problem is Mark, is if we are in position to pick #1 overall, then it means Weeden has not performed as we would have liked, if he improves as we hope, we would be expecting to win 4 or 5 of the remaining games, the temptation to take a QB if they look like a day 1 Starter would be too great to turn down, especially with all Browns fans wanting something special, either that or you drop few spots to get a couple of future #1 picks and give Weeden one more year to prove his worth. But have to say with Shurmur gone, i think the team would be a lot better off all round.
problem is Mark, is if we are in position to pick #1 overall, then it means Weeden has not performed as we would have liked, if he improves as we hope, we would be expecting to win 4 or 5 of the remaining games, the temptation to take a QB if they look like a day 1 Starter would be too great to turn down, especially with all Browns fans wanting something special, either that or you drop few spots to get a couple of future #1 picks and give Weeden one more year to prove his worth. But have to say with Shurmur gone, i think the team would be a lot better off all round.
I dont think it would be fair to put the blame on Weedon if we end up picking 1st. The bottom line is, if your defense gives up 41 points your not winning very many ballgames. Peyton, Brady Rodgers or whoever else you wanna throw in there wouldnt win with a defense that plays like ours did today.
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problem is Mark, is if we are in position to pick #1 overall, then it means Weeden has not performed as we would have liked, if he improves as we hope, we would be expecting to win 4 or 5 of the remaining games, the temptation to take a QB if they look like a day 1 Starter would be too great to turn down, especially with all Browns fans wanting something special, either that or you drop few spots to get a couple of future #1 picks and give Weeden one more year to prove his worth. But have to say with Shurmur gone, i think the team would be a lot better off all round.
I dont think it would be fair to put the blame on Weedon if we end up picking 1st. The bottom line is, if your defense gives up 41 points your not winning very many ballgames. Peyton, Brady Rodgers or whoever else you wanna throw in there wouldnt win with a defense that plays like ours did today.
I dont think it would be fair to put the blame on Weedon if we end up picking 1st. The bottom line is, if your defense gives up 41 points your not winning very many ballgames. Peyton, Brady Rodgers or whoever else you wanna throw in there wouldnt win with a defense that plays like ours did today.
San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Weeden has what it takes to be an NFL qb. No way we pick another qb in the first round. Weeden has all the measurables but just needs experience. He's the least of our problems.
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I dont think it would be fair to put the blame on Weedon if we end up picking 1st. The bottom line is, if your defense gives up 41 points your not winning very many ballgames. Peyton, Brady Rodgers or whoever else you wanna throw in there wouldnt win with a defense that plays like ours did today.
San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
Yep, coaching, injuries, a suspension and a bunch of backups starting
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I cannot imagine that we would take a QB first overall. Weeden is far from the biggest problem on this team.
problem is Mark, is if we are in position to pick #1 overall, then it means Weeden has not performed as we would have liked, if he improves as we hope, we would be expecting to win 4 or 5 of the remaining games, the temptation to take a QB if they look like a day 1 Starter would be too great to turn down, especially with all Browns fans wanting something special, either that or you drop few spots to get a couple of future #1 picks and give Weeden one more year to prove his worth. But have to say with Shurmur gone, i think the team would be a lot better off all round.
problem is Mark, is if we are in position to pick #1 overall, then it means Weeden has not performed as we would have liked, if he improves as we hope, we would be expecting to win 4 or 5 of the remaining games, the temptation to take a QB if they look like a day 1 Starter would be too great to turn down, especially with all Browns fans wanting something special, either that or you drop few spots to get a couple of future #1 picks and give Weeden one more year to prove his worth. But have to say with Shurmur gone, i think the team would be a lot better off all round.
dude, give Zombo back his avatar... I want to hear what he has to say...
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Five games in and we've already conceded that the Browns will have the #1 pick?
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Five games in and we've already conceded that the Browns will have the #1 pick?
Five games in and we've already conceded that the Browns will have the #1 pick?
No, but we're the leader in the Clubhouse at this point. Let Shurmur coach out the year, and I really believe 0-16 is looking more and more likely.
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like the time the LB was on the ground and was trying to tackle him from his jock and set him up for one of the DEs to come in and bust the fuck out of him?
yeah. i saw that too.
maybe after today he and RGlll will learn how to go down when necessary.
I kept saying that today as well, he can live to fight another day.
You have clearly never played the sport.
You can't tell a guy to go down when he's playing a game. It's ingrained in players at a young age to fight for every inch. To never give up.
While it may make sense in terms of injuries, a players will never just "go down" and live to die another day. And if he does, that's not a player you want on your team.
You have clearly never played the sport.
You can't tell a guy to go down when he's playing a game. It's ingrained in players at a young age to fight for every inch. To never give up.
While it may make sense in terms of injuries, a players will never just "go down" and live to die another day. And if he does, that's not a player you want on your team.
Bullshit...
I take back my comment in the other thread...
You are not just biased...
You are clearly brain damaged from fighting for one too many extra yards...
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I cannot imagine that we would take a QB first overall. Weeden is far from the biggest problem on this team.
I cannot imagine that we would take a QB first overall. Weeden is far from the biggest problem on this team.
I doubt that happens. Weeden has shown enough you hitch to his wagon another couple of years. He has shown some good and some bad. The bad is the type of stuff that should get better as he plays in more games. The guy has 5 NFL starts.
I am not saying it will, but it should.
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Five games in and we've already conceded that the Browns will have the #1 pick?
Five games in and we've already conceded that the Browns will have the #1 pick?
No. I really think the team will be a handful for every opponent they meet this season. But we do need the injured...and the suspended back on the field. You can't have a Haden/Taylor/Jackson/Patterson/Massaquoi/Benjamin/JMJ etc. etc. sitting on their asses.
The young team will get better and better....and several opposing teams will pay the piper for it.
The only questionable factor: the coach. He can lose games all by himself with no help from anyone.
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This thread competes with the previous one for the "Dumbassery" award.
I apologize. This got put on the wrong thread.
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Weeden has what it takes to be an NFL qb. No way we pick another qb in the first round. Weeden has all the measurables but just needs experience. He's the least of our problems.
Weeden has what it takes to be an NFL qb. No way we pick another qb in the first round. Weeden has all the measurables but just needs experience. He's the least of our problems.
I agree wholeheartedly. And he is gaining invaluable inexperience. Weeden, with his rocket and a year experience in the NFL, is going to outperform any rookie that is drafted next year.
The record of QBs whose defenses give up 40 points in a game is 0-15 this year.
He flicks it from the 30 yard line and it lands softly in his hands at the 12 ... that 58 yards in the air folks. A guy like Colt McCoy would have to hire Federal Express to get the ball that far.
We've got a QB. And a brilliant RB. Start holding teams to 20 points per game and the wins will start falling into place.
Zombo
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I dont think it would be fair to put the blame on Weedon if we end up picking 1st. The bottom line is, if your defense gives up 41 points your not winning very many ballgames. Peyton, Brady Rodgers or whoever else you wanna throw in there wouldnt win with a defense that plays like ours did today.
San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
Why do you make so many excuses for Weeden? This dude is on pace to throw close to 30 INT's and less than 20 TD's. inb4"he'sarookie"
I mean, I understand sitting back and not judging him, but it's like you're sold on him based on the fact that he's a better option than our other QB's, which is stupid.
Weeden singlehandedly takes points off the board with his bad decision making. He did not play well enough for us to win, our defense didn't either but still. Maybe I'm too hard on Weeden, but you're obviously not judging him on his play..
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San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
Why do you make so many excuses for Weeden? This dude is on pace to throw close to 30 INT's and less than 20 TD's. inb4"he'sarookie"
I mean, I understand sitting back and not judging him, but it's like you're sold on him based on the fact that he's a better option than our other QB's, which is stupid.
Weeden singlehandedly takes points off the board with his bad decision making. He did not play well enough for us to win, our defense didn't either but still. Maybe I'm too hard on Weeden, but you're obviously not judging him on his play..
Why do you make so many excuses for Weeden? This dude is on pace to throw close to 30 INT's and less than 20 TD's. inb4"he'sarookie"
Pretty standard for a rookie QB. Did you think we were getting Joe Montana in his prime?
I mean, I understand sitting back and not judging him, but it's like you're sold on him based on the fact that he's a better option than our other QB's, which is stupid.
What is stupid? That he shouldn't be judged...that we have better options...or that you made that comment? I vote for the latter.
Weeden singlehandedly takes points off the board with his bad decision making. He did not play well enough for us to win, our defense didn't either but still. Maybe I'm too hard on Weeden, but you're obviously not judging him on his play..
He did not avoid the mistakes that could have been avoided, yes. But look at the positives after just 5 games into his career.
At first I was not sure about him, but his ability to throw the ball has impressed me. All he has to do now is to learn to avoid the mistakes....in other words, he needs experience. And he is getting it. Like I said before, I think the last half of this season this Browns team could be a nightmare for its opponents who have playoff aspirations.
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San Fran would have won and Chicago would have tied.
6.25% of the teams in the NFL would have won/tied this week if their defense gave up 41 points.
If you blame this on Weeden, you are stupid. If you blame this on anyone other than injuries/coaching...you are stupid.
Why do you make so many excuses for Weeden? This dude is on pace to throw close to 30 INT's and less than 20 TD's. inb4"he'sarookie"
I mean, I understand sitting back and not judging him, but it's like you're sold on him based on the fact that he's a better option than our other QB's, which is stupid.
Weeden singlehandedly takes points off the board with his bad decision making. He did not play well enough for us to win, our defense didn't either but still. Maybe I'm too hard on Weeden, but you're obviously not judging him on his play..
Why do you make so many excuses for Weeden? This dude is on pace to throw close to 30 INT's and less than 20 TD's. inb4"he'sarookie"
I mean, I understand sitting back and not judging him, but it's like you're sold on him based on the fact that he's a better option than our other QB's, which is stupid.
Weeden singlehandedly takes points off the board with his bad decision making. He did not play well enough for us to win, our defense didn't either but still. Maybe I'm too hard on Weeden, but you're obviously not judging him on his play..
I am judging him on his play. But I'm not stupid enough to sit there and place the blame on him. Age notwithstanding, Weeden is a rookie QB. He is going to make rookie mistakes, and I can accept that. What I can't accept is stupid playcalling, awful personnel decisions, and bad scheming from a supposed "head coach". That is why this team has failed to win a game, not because of Weeden.
You are a typical Cleveland fan, through and through. When the team performs badly, it's "lets get a new QB".
In other words, you're a goddamned moron.
Colt singlehandedly took points off the board but being afraid to make a decision. Quinn took points off the board by throwing an awful ball. Anderson took points off the board by not being able to throw a checkdown, dump or screen accurately.
I'd take the QB who makes bad decisions over any of those, because his decision making will change with experience. Weeden will be our franchise QB, no matter what you want or think will happen.
You're mad because a rookie threw a shit loft ball to Gordon when he was being pressured? Yes, he will get flustered. It will happen. But once the speed of the game slows down, he has all of the physical tools to be a very good QB.
Terry Bradshaw, 1st overall pick in the 1970 draft, threw 24 interceptions as a rookie, the second most ever at that time. He only threw six TD's on the entire season,had a rating of 30.4, and won 5 games. And this was all splitting snaps with Terry Hanratty.
Jim Zorn threw 12 touchdowns and 27 interceptions in his rookie year, completing only 45% of his passes and posting a 2-12 record.
Troy Aikman, 1st overall pick in the 1989 draft, threw 9 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in his rookie season, had a QB rating of 55.7 and went 0-11 as a starter and had some of the most embarrassing performances in NFL history.
Peyton Manning, 1st overall pick in the 1998 draft, threw 28 interceptons in his rookie season and composed a 3-13 record.
3 of those QB's were first overall picks in their respective drafts and performed just as bad, if not worse, than Weeden.
C'mon man.
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I'm not a typical Browns fan, I'm just under the belief that Weeden is one of those terrible personnel decisions, most Browns fans actually like Weeden. He hasn't really had many positives against his shitload of negatives. I've told you many times I don't give a fuck about wins, we're a terrible team we might as well play that way. But Weeden continues to play terrible so I'm going to judge him on his play, not on what might happen if the game ever does slow down for him.
And the way today's league is dominated by the passing game you can't compare those stats to those 1st overall picks. And even if that did translate, they were at least young with time to get better. We should've never tried to fast-track a QB who is not NFL caliber yet and is one of the oldest players on our team. It's stupid, and you can compare Weeden to whoever you want, it doesn't fucking matter. He's a really, really bad QB and hasn't really gotten better and doesn't have the time to get better that the other QB's you mentioned had.
Terry Bradshaw as a rookie - 22
Peyton Manning as a rookie - 22
Jim Zorn - 23
Troy Aikman - 23
Go ahead and salivate at what could be, I'm gonna judge what I've seen so far. An old, bad-decision making QB who doesn't make easy throws consistently.
I don't know why you think you're so fucking smart, you're just this pompous asshole who thinks anyone that disagrees with you is somehow a lesser. All you do is post these condescending remarks.
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I'm not a typical Browns fan, I'm just under the belief that Weeden is one of those terrible personnel decisions, most Browns fans actually like Weeden. He hasn't really had many positives against his shitload of negatives. I've told you many times I don't give a fuck about wins, we're a terrible team we might as well play that way. But Weeden continues to play terrible so I'm going to judge him on his play, not on what might happen if the game ever does slow down for him.
And the way today's league is dominated by the passing game you can't compare those stats to those 1st overall picks. And even if that did translate, they were at least young with time to get better. We should've never tried to fast-track a QB who is not NFL caliber yet and is one of the oldest players on our team. It's stupid, and you can compare Weeden to whoever you want, it doesn't fucking matter. He's a really, really bad QB and hasn't really gotten better and doesn't have the time to get better that the other QB's you mentioned had.
Terry Bradshaw as a rookie - 22
Peyton Manning as a rookie - 22
Jim Zorn - 23
Troy Aikman - 23
Go ahead and salivate at what could be, I'm gonna judge what I've seen so far. An old, bad-decision making QB who doesn't make easy throws consistently.
I don't know why you think you're so fucking smart, you're just this pompous asshole who thinks anyone that disagrees with you is somehow a lesser. All you do is post these condescending remarks.
I'm not a typical Browns fan, I'm just under the belief that Weeden is one of those terrible personnel decisions, most Browns fans actually like Weeden. He hasn't really had many positives against his shitload of negatives. I've told you many times I don't give a fuck about wins, we're a terrible team we might as well play that way. But Weeden continues to play terrible so I'm going to judge him on his play, not on what might happen if the game ever does slow down for him.
And the way today's league is dominated by the passing game you can't compare those stats to those 1st overall picks. And even if that did translate, they were at least young with time to get better. We should've never tried to fast-track a QB who is not NFL caliber yet and is one of the oldest players on our team. It's stupid, and you can compare Weeden to whoever you want, it doesn't fucking matter. He's a really, really bad QB and hasn't really gotten better and doesn't have the time to get better that the other QB's you mentioned had.
Terry Bradshaw as a rookie - 22
Peyton Manning as a rookie - 22
Jim Zorn - 23
Troy Aikman - 23
Go ahead and salivate at what could be, I'm gonna judge what I've seen so far. An old, bad-decision making QB who doesn't make easy throws consistently.
I don't know why you think you're so fucking smart, you're just this pompous asshole who thinks anyone that disagrees with you is somehow a lesser. All you do is post these condescending remarks.
You're right, those stats aren't comparable to today's game because back then they threw the ball 15-20 times a game max. So they should have twice as many INT's. Thanks for bringing that up.
If you're judging him on his play, we must be watching two different game tapes. With every post you make it sound like this guy couldn't even hold Joey Harrington's jock, when he's actually played decent. Not a world beater thus far, I'll admit. He's made mistakes. He's thrown costly interceptions, and has exhibited some poor decisions. But he's also shown why he was picked where he was picked. He has all the tools of being a very good QB, and if his only flaw is that he's making bad decisions in his rookie year...then I'll take it. Because soon the game slows down, whether or not you want to admit it.
So, yes, I will "salivate" over what could be, and you will continue to mistakenly judge what you've seen so far. I will continue to take my emotions and pride out of it when assessing a talent. I will do my research to back up any point or feeling I convey. And that's why, someday, I'll have a career in this business. And all you'll ever be is a fan.
I don't think I'm smart. I just know that I know more about this game than you do. I am sick and tired of losing, just like the rest of you. But what I'm even more sick and tired of is seeing every fan start calling for the backup QB by week 3.
If I come off as condescending, and you feel like a lesser...well, if the shoe fits...
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