Was Listening To The Postgame On The Way Home
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Up 14-0 faint (false) hope. If Haslam's first act as owner isn't to fire this bum (worst Browns coach in the last 40 years IMHO) I'll be pissed.
Agree...I would have fired Shurmer after last year's Arizona debacle. Remember, we were 4-9, clinched last place, and he punted with a 10-0 lead when it was 4th & 2 at the AZ 47 yd line.
I don't get why all of our 3rd down plays look the same.
Agree...I would have fired Shurmer after last year's Arizona debacle. Remember, we were 4-9, clinched last place, and he punted with a 10-0 lead when it was 4th & 2 at the AZ 47 yd line.
I don't get why all of our 3rd down plays look the same.
LOL, I remember that.
Yes every 3rd down play is the pull the tight end to the right to the sideline while Weeden gets crushed or pressured. You pull Richardson for a 3rd and 1, WTF. Pure shit.
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Agree...I would have fired Shurmer after last year's Arizona debacle. Remember, we were 4-9, clinched last place, and he punted with a 10-0 lead when it was 4th & 2 at the AZ 47 yd line.
I don't get why all of our 3rd down plays look the same.
LOL, I remember that.
Yes every 3rd down play is the pull the tight end to the right to the sideline while Weeden gets crushed or pressured. You pull Richardson for a 3rd and 1, WTF. Pure shit.
LOL, I remember that.
Yes every 3rd down play is the pull the tight end to the right to the sideline while Weeden gets crushed or pressured. You pull Richardson for a 3rd and 1, WTF. Pure shit.
Lol...someday we will be the happiest fans on Earth. I hope it's soon, tired of waiting.
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I hope he's gone before I learn to spell his name right.
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You won't have to deal with him next season. Possibly even past this month.
We have the Bengals next week, then the Colts, then the Chargers.
We lose all of those, Shurmer is replaced for the Ravens game. There might even be a chance Shurmer doesn't make it to the Chargers game if we look really bad in losing to the Bengals and Colts.
Haslam gets official ownership after this next weekend, if the voting takes place as reported, so he can comment at that point.
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You won't have to deal with him next season. Possibly even past this month.
We have the Bengals next week, then the Colts, then the Chargers.
We lose all of those, Shurmer is replaced for the Ravens game. There might even be a chance Shurmer doesn't make it to the Chargers game if we look really bad in losing to the Bengals and Colts.
Haslam gets official ownership after this next weekend, if the voting takes place as reported, so he can comment at that point.
You won't have to deal with him next season. Possibly even past this month.
We have the Bengals next week, then the Colts, then the Chargers.
We lose all of those, Shurmer is replaced for the Ravens game. There might even be a chance Shurmer doesn't make it to the Chargers game if we look really bad in losing to the Bengals and Colts.
Haslam gets official ownership after this next weekend, if the voting takes place as reported, so he can comment at that point.
I agree. Shurmur only saves his job with a playoff trip this year which clearly won't happen. He can make the end of the season if we win a few games. But an 11 game losing streak is going to be noticed by the new owner. We get blown out at home by Cincinatti, I don't think he makes it to the Colts game. The new owner is going to want to make an impression on the fans and he wants his own people in place.
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Maybe that as well.
Wouldn't bother me.
I wonder if a coach has been fired at halftime of a game.
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Shurmur is in way over his head! I almost feel bad for the guy. My theory, is that Holmgren brought this guy in because of his previous association with Fritz Shurmur, Pat's uncle. It's almost as if he was doing his late friend a favor. I mean God forbid that Holmgren look past his big fat ego, and actually bring in an experienced head coach!
If that truly is the case which I may suspect, then Holmgren is doing a huge disservice to Pat by putting him in this situation, and his fat ass should shown the door as well! Though I think Holmgren will be gone anyway. -
Maybe that as well.
Wouldn't bother me.
I wonder if a coach has been fired at halftime of a game.
Maybe that as well.
Wouldn't bother me.
I wonder if a coach has been fired at halftime of a game.
I don't think it's ever happened but it's unfortunate that Haslam doesn't take over before the Bengals game because then it could happen if we lay an egg in the first half and the team gets booed off the field.
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Maybe that as well.
Wouldn't bother me.
I wonder if a coach has been fired at halftime of a game.
I don't think it's ever happened but it's unfortunate that Haslam doesn't take over before the Bengals game because then it could happen if we lay an egg in the first half and the team gets booed off the field.
I don't think it's ever happened but it's unfortunate that Haslam doesn't take over before the Bengals game because then it could happen if we lay an egg in the first half and the team gets booed off the field.
Oh I'm fully expecting them to get booed off of the field! If anyone is even left by halftime. What a mess!
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LOL, I remember that.
Yes every 3rd down play is the pull the tight end to the right to the sideline while Weeden gets crushed or pressured. You pull Richardson for a 3rd and 1, WTF. Pure shit.
Lol...someday we will be the happiest fans on Earth. I hope it's soon, tired of waiting.
Lol...someday we will be the happiest fans on Earth. I hope it's soon, tired of waiting.
you don't have to wonder when this will be................it's every year for the draft.
you remember, don't you? you guys pick in the top 5-10 spots and start cheering and touting how this new messiah will be the one to lead you guys to the promised land.
i mean that's what happened after you drafted trich and brandon "father time" weeden..........how'd that work out so far?0-5?
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
I like our chances against the Bengals , I think we'll get our first win.
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Lol...someday we will be the happiest fans on Earth. I hope it's soon, tired of waiting.
you don't have to wonder when this will be................it's every year for the draft.
you remember, don't you? you guys pick in the top 5-10 spots and start cheering and touting how this new messiah will be the one to lead you guys to the promised land.
i mean that's what happened after you drafted trich and brandon "father time" weeden..........how'd that work out so far?0-5?
you don't have to wonder when this will be................it's every year for the draft.
you remember, don't you? you guys pick in the top 5-10 spots and start cheering and touting how this new messiah will be the one to lead you guys to the promised land.
i mean that's what happened after you drafted trich and brandon "father time" weeden..........how'd that work out so far?0-5?
I would say Richardson and Weeden aren't the problem. See my initial post. You have a running back averaging 5 ypc, so you take him out of the game on third and one so you can call a pass play- out of an obvious passing formation- that gets picked off.
Defensively in that game Jackson (who calls the defensive signals) got hurt- hence a couple of Cruz TDs where the cornerback wasn't even in the same area code. Ditto Rubin going out with and injury = 200 yards given up rushing.
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I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...
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Lol...someday we will be the happiest fans on Earth. I hope it's soon, tired of waiting.
you don't have to wonder when this will be................it's every year for the draft.
you remember, don't you? you guys pick in the top 5-10 spots and start cheering and touting how this new messiah will be the one to lead you guys to the promised land.
i mean that's what happened after you drafted trich and brandon "father time" weeden..........how'd that work out so far?0-5?
you don't have to wonder when this will be................it's every year for the draft.
you remember, don't you? you guys pick in the top 5-10 spots and start cheering and touting how this new messiah will be the one to lead you guys to the promised land.
i mean that's what happened after you drafted trich and brandon "father time" weeden..........how'd that work out so far?0-5?
These guys are rookies. Let's look at the Browns first round picks lately:
This year Weeden and TR look to be wise choices. TR is the real thing, too soon to tell about BW#
Last year: Phil Taylor was one of the best rookie defenders in the league (the Browns miss him since his is out with injury).
The year before that 2010 Joe Haden is a Pro Bowler.
The year before that 2009 Alex Mack is a Pro Bowler
In 2008 they didn't have a pick til the 4th round
The year before 2007, Joe Thomas is Hall of Fame talent. OK, Brady Quinn was a bust.
The problem has not been with their first rounders..except Quinn. It has been that their 2e and 3rd rounders have a lot of time not stood up to provide the talent...or depth necessary:
2012 Rd. 2 Schwartz too early
2011 Rd. 2 Sheard and Little. Sheard is productive. Little's dropsies are well noted. Not looking good for him
2010 Rd. 2 TJ Ward, start Rd. 3 Hardesty, McCoy, Lauvao....all possible backup talent at best
2009 Rd. 2 Robiskie...bust, MoMass...becoming solid, David Veikune...bust
2008-----
2007 Eric Wright. Got toasted here, went to Detroit as FA where he got burnt.
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I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...
I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...
He dropped one pass in the game that I saw. This entire season is on Shurmur. The guy is a lousy head coach and should never have been hired..
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you don't have to wonder when this will be................it's every year for the draft.
you remember, don't you? you guys pick in the top 5-10 spots and start cheering and touting how this new messiah will be the one to lead you guys to the promised land.
i mean that's what happened after you drafted trich and brandon "father time" weeden..........how'd that work out so far?0-5?
These guys are rookies. Let's look at the Browns first round picks lately:
This year Weeden and TR look to be wise choices. TR is the real thing, too soon to tell about BW#
Last year: Phil Taylor was one of the best rookie defenders in the league (the Browns miss him since his is out with injury).
The year before that 2010 Joe Haden is a Pro Bowler.
The year before that 2009 Alex Mack is a Pro Bowler
In 2008 they didn't have a pick til the 4th round
The year before 2007, Joe Thomas is Hall of Fame talent. OK, Brady Quinn was a bust.
The problem has not been with their first rounders..except Quinn. It has been that their 2e and 3rd rounders have a lot of time not stood up to provide the talent...or depth necessary:
2012 Rd. 2 Schwartz too early
2011 Rd. 2 Sheard and Little. Sheard is productive. Little's dropsies are well noted. Not looking good for him
2010 Rd. 2 TJ Ward, start Rd. 3 Hardesty, McCoy, Lauvao....all possible backup talent at best
2009 Rd. 2 Robiskie...bust, MoMass...becoming solid, David Veikune...bust
2008-----
2007 Eric Wright. Got toasted here, went to Detroit as FA where he got burnt.
These guys are rookies. Let's look at the Browns first round picks lately:
This year Weeden and TR look to be wise choices. TR is the real thing, too soon to tell about BW#
Last year: Phil Taylor was one of the best rookie defenders in the league (the Browns miss him since his is out with injury).
The year before that 2010 Joe Haden is a Pro Bowler.
The year before that 2009 Alex Mack is a Pro Bowler
In 2008 they didn't have a pick til the 4th round
The year before 2007, Joe Thomas is Hall of Fame talent. OK, Brady Quinn was a bust.
The problem has not been with their first rounders..except Quinn. It has been that their 2e and 3rd rounders have a lot of time not stood up to provide the talent...or depth necessary:
2012 Rd. 2 Schwartz too early
2011 Rd. 2 Sheard and Little. Sheard is productive. Little's dropsies are well noted. Not looking good for him
2010 Rd. 2 TJ Ward, start Rd. 3 Hardesty, McCoy, Lauvao....all possible backup talent at best
2009 Rd. 2 Robiskie...bust, MoMass...becoming solid, David Veikune...bust
2008-----
2007 Eric Wright. Got toasted here, went to Detroit as FA where he got burnt.
That's why we need a BETTER GM. Most GM's hit the first rounders.(if they don't they are not around long) It's the "GREAT" GM's that get high quality talent later in the draft. The body of the good teams are 3-6 round picks.
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I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...
He dropped one pass in the game that I saw. This entire season is on Shurmur. The guy is a lousy head coach and should never have been hired..
He dropped one pass in the game that I saw. This entire season is on Shurmur. The guy is a lousy head coach and should never have been hired..
He has had some drops this year and if keeps playing like he did yesterday I think we'll see him more on 3rd down, also Obi blocks really well. Shurmur isn't losing with Packer talent, this team isn't very deep and they have glaring holes on both sides...
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He dropped one pass in the game that I saw. This entire season is on Shurmur. The guy is a lousy head coach and should never have been hired..
He has had some drops this year and if keeps playing like he did yesterday I think we'll see him more on 3rd down, also Obi blocks really well. Shurmur isn't losing with Packer talent, this team isn't very deep and they have glaring holes on both sides...
He has had some drops this year and if keeps playing like he did yesterday I think we'll see him more on 3rd down, also Obi blocks really well. Shurmur isn't losing with Packer talent, this team isn't very deep and they have glaring holes on both sides...
Shurmer WOULD lose with Packer talent. The guy is NOT a headcoach. He fights with the media, he makes bad decision after bad decision all game long. He's horrible at clock management. Hell he's had 2 penalties called against HIMSELF. The guy could be given the keys to a ferrari and smash it before he left the driveway
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Formerly Sane said:
That's silly.....regardless of how inept the coaches may be, the QB has the ultimate decision of where and when to throw the ball.
The problem here is that this QB does not have the choice about what play to call. On 3rd and 1 Shurmur is calling for a pass 30 yards across the field to the sideline that is designed to gain 3 actual yards. If he had the option to say "Fuck that, here, TR, take this ball up the gut and get us a first down" it would be better, wouldn't it? Yea, it is his responsibility to not throw a pick..but why should he have been put in that position in the first place.
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