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  • You guys really seem to be surrounded by boatloads of dirtbags.

  • H heckofajobbrownie

    You guys really seem to be surrounded by boatloads of dirtbags.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    You guys really seem to be surrounded by boatloads of dirtbags.

    It's true not everyone I know chose to join the military, learn a trade, get a decent job and do the right thing. I'm sure if you descended from the hills and went into some of the lesser areas of L.A. you'd see some people abusing the wonderful system.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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  • It's really hypocritical of you to complain about it as much as you do, and to refuse to report it.

  • It's really tiresome of you to pretend like its not happening.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • I'm not pretending that it isn't happening. My argument is that it's not happening enough that it's making a significant impact. You disagree. You know people who, in your mind, are fucking the system, yet you do nothing. Curious.

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  • T The Cysko Kid

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    You guys really seem to be surrounded by boatloads of dirtbags.

    It's true not everyone I know chose to join the military, learn a trade, get a decent job and do the right thing. I'm sure if you descended from the hills and went into some of the lesser areas of L.A. you'd see some people abusing the wonderful system.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    It's true not everyone I know chose to join the military, learn a trade, get a decent job and do the right thing. I'm sure if you descended from the hills and went into some of the lesser areas of L.A. you'd see some people abusing the wonderful system.

    It is true. I would. I guess the difference is that I understand that irresponsibility exists, and I'll support efforts to cut down on programs that might be ineffective and encourage it, but I wouldn't make it the entirety of my political philosophy, or imagine it's a really big issue. I'd say, "Being poor and ignorant sure sucks." And I'd move on with my day.

  • But walk me through it, Cysko. I don't think you disagree with the Food Stamp program in and of itself, right? You believe there should be a safety net program to make sure people have something to eat, yes?

    I'm not trying to be a dick. (It comes naturally.) I'm just wondering what your concern is and what you want done about it.

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  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    I'm not pretending that it isn't happening. My argument is that it's not happening enough that it's making a significant impact. You disagree. You know people who, in your mind, are fucking the system, yet you do nothing. Curious.

    @vaportrail said:

    I'm not pretending that it isn't happening. My argument is that it's not happening enough that it's making a significant impact. You disagree. You know people who, in your mind, are fucking the system, yet you do nothing. Curious.

    So if 50% of the employees of an office steal stationary and the boss looks the other way, but it pisses you off and its bad for the companies' bottom line. Do you report a guy you've known for a long long time even though you know the boss looks the other way, do you report this one guy?

    Like I've accused you of before you only see in black and white. What good does it do to report one it two or three people you know well? Maybe instead, you suggest the boss put a camera in the supply room and some of the problem takes care of itself.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @vaportrail said:

    I'm not pretending that it isn't happening. My argument is that it's not happening enough that it's making a significant impact. You disagree. You know people who, in your mind, are fucking the system, yet you do nothing. Curious.

    So if 50% of the employees of an office steal stationary and the boss looks the other way, but it pisses you off and its bad for the companies' bottom line. Do you report a guy you've known for a long long time even though you know the boss looks the other way, do you report this one guy?

    Like I've accused you of before you only see in black and white. What good does it do to report one it two or three people you know well? Maybe instead, you suggest the boss put a camera in the supply room and some of the problem takes care of itself.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    So if 50% of the employees of an office steal stationary and the boss looks the other way, but it pisses you off and its bad for the companies' bottom line. Do you report a guy you've known for a long long time even though you know the boss looks the other way, do you report this one guy?

    Like I've accused you of before you only see in black and white. What good does it do to report one it two or three people you know well? Maybe instead, you suggest the boss put a camera in the supply room and some of the problem takes care of itself.

    Except, in the case of reality, less than 2% of the accused employees are actually stealing. What kind of oversight would you want such that it justifies the savings?

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  • H heckofajobbrownie

    But walk me through it, Cysko. I don't think you disagree with the Food Stamp program in and of itself, right? You believe there should be a safety net program to make sure people have something to eat, yes?

    I'm not trying to be a dick. (It comes naturally.) I'm just wondering what your concern is and what you want done about it.

    @heckofajobbrownie said:

    But walk me through it, Cysko. I don't think you disagree with the Food Stamp program in and of itself, right? You believe there should be a safety net program to make sure people have something to eat, yes?

    I'm not trying to be a dick. (It comes naturally.) I'm just wondering what your concern is and what you want done about it.

    I want it to be for the needy and not the greedy. Does that make sense to you? No one will deny there are needy people. But there's also liars scammers and those that simply won't try to help themselves.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    So if 50% of the employees of an office steal stationary and the boss looks the other way, but it pisses you off and its bad for the companies' bottom line. Do you report a guy you've known for a long long time even though you know the boss looks the other way, do you report this one guy?

    Like I've accused you of before you only see in black and white. What good does it do to report one it two or three people you know well? Maybe instead, you suggest the boss put a camera in the supply room and some of the problem takes care of itself.

    Except, in the case of reality, less than 2% of the accused employees are actually stealing. What kind of oversight would you want such that it justifies the savings?

    @vaportrail said:

    Except, in the case of reality, less than 2% of the employees are stealing. What kind of oversight would you want such that it justifies the savings?

    Like I said. Put a camera on it. There's already case workers. Make them earn their paychecks . Look in on their cases. It doesn't take a detective agency to see when a "single" mom lives with another adult with an income. It just takes someone caring to look.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    @vaportrail said:

    Except, in the case of reality, less than 2% of the employees are stealing. What kind of oversight would you want such that it justifies the savings?

    Like I said. Put a camera on it. There's already case workers. Make them earn their paychecks . Look in on their cases. It doesn't take a detective agency to see when a "single" mom lives with another adult with an income. It just takes someone caring to look.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Like I said. Put a camera on it. There's already case workers. Make them earn their paychecks. Look in on their cases. It doesn't take a genius to see when a "single" mom lives with another adult with an income. It just takes someone caring to look.

    Honestly, man. The most likely way this kind of thing would get found out isn't deputizing welfare case workers to investigate housing arrangements, but for someone like you to report them. But even then, it's probably that she's found the loophole in the system and is exploiting it. Now the question would be how you close that loophole without harming the single mothers you're trying to help in the first place.

    I'm just saying: you're not the only person who has thought of these types of things.

    I'll tell you a story when I have more time.

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