Painting By Numbers, The Best Qb
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The topic was just touched on elsewhere. Who is/are the best by each number worn on their back? Here is a list. Please augment:
1 Warren Moon
Moon
2 Doug Flutie? Tim Couch?
Matt Ryan. Unless we are counting Canada.
3 Darryl Lamonica, Bobby Hebert, now BW3 Brandon Weeden
Lamonica
4 Bret Favre, Jim Harbaugh
Really?
5 Donovan McNabb, Kerry Collins
McNabb
6 Marc Wilson?
Cutler
7 John Elway, Joe Theisman, Ben Roethlisberger, Bert Jones, Boomer Esiason, Mike Vick, Dan Pastorini
Elway
8 Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Archie Manning
Young
9 Sonny Jurgenson, Jim McMahon, Steve McNair, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo
Jurgenson
10 Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning
Tarkenton
11 Norm Van Brocklin, Phil Simms, Danny White, Joe Kapp, Drew Bledsoe
Van Brocklin
12 Tom Brady, John Brodie, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Joe Namath, Bob Griese
Brady
13 Dan Marino, Kurt Warner
Marino
14 Otto Graham, Dan Fouts, YA Tittle
Graham
15 Bart Starr, Jack Kemp, Earl Morral
Starr
16 Joe Montana, George Blanda, Jim Plunkett, Len Dawson
Montana
17 Don Meredith, Brian Sipe, Billy Kilmer
Phillip Rivers
18 Peyton Manning, Roman Gabriel
Manning
19 Johnny Unitas, Bernie Kosar
Unitas
Please feel free to add to this list.
#21 John Hadl
We could give 14 to Fouts and let Otto wear his ol' #60
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Zombo nailed it give him credit for being right once in a lifetime
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
The topic was just touched on elsewhere. Who is/are the best by each number worn on their back? Here is a list. Please augment:
1 Warren Moon
Moon
2 Doug Flutie? Tim Couch?
Matt Ryan. Unless we are counting Canada.
3 Darryl Lamonica, Bobby Hebert, now BW3 Brandon Weeden
Lamonica
4 Bret Favre, Jim Harbaugh
Really?
5 Donovan McNabb, Kerry Collins
McNabb
6 Marc Wilson?
Cutler
7 John Elway, Joe Theisman, Ben Roethlisberger, Bert Jones, Boomer Esiason, Mike Vick, Dan Pastorini
Elway
8 Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Archie Manning
Young
9 Sonny Jurgenson, Jim McMahon, Steve McNair, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo
Jurgenson
10 Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning
Tarkenton
11 Norm Van Brocklin, Phil Simms, Danny White, Joe Kapp, Drew Bledsoe
Van Brocklin
12 Tom Brady, John Brodie, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Joe Namath, Bob Griese
Brady
13 Dan Marino, Kurt Warner
Marino
14 Otto Graham, Dan Fouts, YA Tittle
Graham
15 Bart Starr, Jack Kemp, Earl Morral
Starr
16 Joe Montana, George Blanda, Jim Plunkett, Len Dawson
Montana
17 Don Meredith, Brian Sipe, Billy Kilmer
Phillip Rivers
18 Peyton Manning, Roman Gabriel
Manning
19 Johnny Unitas, Bernie Kosar
Unitas
Please feel free to add to this list.
#21 John Hadl
We could give 14 to Fouts and let Otto wear his ol' #60
Zombo said:
The topic was just touched on elsewhere. Who is/are the best by each number worn on their back? Here is a list. Please augment:
1 Warren Moon
Moon
2 Doug Flutie? Tim Couch?
Matt Ryan. Unless we are counting Canada. Forgot about him. (on the other hand, the source I looked up for this may have been a few years old and Ryan may not have been on the radar then.)
3 Darryl Lamonica, Bobby Hebert, now BW3 Brandon Weeden
Lamonica
4 Bret Favre, Jim Harbaugh
Really? You got somebody else?
5 Donovan McNabb, Kerry Collins
McNabb
6 Marc Wilson?
Cutler ditto above re Ryan
7 John Elway, Joe Theisman, Ben Roethlisberger, Bert Jones, Boomer Esiason, Mike Vick, Dan Pastorini
Elway
8 Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Archie Manning
Young
9 Sonny Jurgenson, Jim McMahon, Steve McNair, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo
Jurgenson
10 Fran Tarkenton, Eli Manning
Tarkenton
11 Norm Van Brocklin, Phil Simms, Danny White, Joe Kapp, Drew Bledsoe
Van Brocklin
12 Tom Brady, John Brodie, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Joe Namath, Bob Griese
Brady
13 Dan Marino, Kurt Warner
Marino
14 Otto Graham, Dan Fouts, YA Tittle
Graham
15 Bart Starr, Jack Kemp, Earl Morral
Starr
16 Joe Montana, George Blanda, Jim Plunkett, Len Dawson
Montana
17 Don Meredith, Brian Sipe, Billy Kilmer
Phillip Rivers
18 Peyton Manning, Roman Gabriel
Manning
19 Johnny Unitas, Bernie Kosar
Unitas
Please feel free to add to this list.
#21 John Hadl
We could give 14 to Fouts and let Otto wear his ol' #60
Both noted.
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Zombo nailed it give him credit for being right once in a lifetime
Zombo nailed it give him credit for being right once in a lifetime
This wasn't really supposed to be a trivia game, or even a "choose the best" game. I was simply giving a list of various QB that wore the various numbers.
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I disagree he's better than Brady alone, but the entire group? Bradshaw better than Montana? Not at all.
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If the patriots win the super bowl this year there's a strong case to be made for Brady as best of all time.
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If the patriots win the super bowl this year there's a strong case to be made for Brady as best of all time.
If the patriots win the super bowl this year there's a strong case to be made for Brady as best of all time.
What criteria would apply to best all time? If it is passes/completions/yards/TDs then Favre outshines everyone.
If it is titles....Otto Graham leads the list with 7. Bart Starr has 5. Montana/Bradshaw have 4. Several have 3...including Brady. Brady has lost a couple, so have others. If he makes it that would give him 6 title game appearances....most in the so called Super Bowl era....but it would only tie him with Starr for title game appearances.
OG had 11 of those. Some of the other old timers like Baugh and Luckman may have had 4 titles and a number of title game appearances. I would have to check.
However you rank it I think he is no doubt in the Top 5 of all time. The man is a bit of a machine.
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If the patriots win the super bowl this year there's a strong case to be made for Brady as best of all time.
What criteria would apply to best all time? If it is passes/completions/yards/TDs then Favre outshines everyone.
If it is titles....Otto Graham leads the list with 7. Bart Starr has 5. Montana/Bradshaw have 4. Several have 3...including Brady. Brady has lost a couple, so have others. If he makes it that would give him 6 title game appearances....most in the so called Super Bowl era....but it would only tie him with Starr for title game appearances.
OG had 11 of those. Some of the other old timers like Baugh and Luckman may have had 4 titles and a number of title game appearances. I would have to check.
However you rank it I think he is no doubt in the Top 5 of all time. The man is a bit of a machine.
What criteria would apply to best all time? If it is passes/completions/yards/TDs then Favre outshines everyone.
If it is titles....Otto Graham leads the list with 7. Bart Starr has 5. Montana/Bradshaw have 4. Several have 3...including Brady. Brady has lost a couple, so have others. If he makes it that would give him 6 title game appearances....most in the so called Super Bowl era....but it would only tie him with Starr for title game appearances.
OG had 11 of those. Some of the other old timers like Baugh and Luckman may have had 4 titles and a number of title game appearances. I would have to check.
However you rank it I think he is no doubt in the Top 5 of all time. The man is a bit of a machine.
Best of all time is heavily influenced by what generation your grew up in and who you saw first hand. It's kinda like asking who was the best guitarist of all time, Hendrix because of his creativity and unsually playing style. Rhodes because his superb combination of classical runs, heavy riffs, and great solos? Malmsteen because of his fast noodling?
With different criteria, you get a different answer.
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What criteria would apply to best all time? If it is passes/completions/yards/TDs then Favre outshines everyone.
If it is titles....Otto Graham leads the list with 7. Bart Starr has 5. Montana/Bradshaw have 4. Several have 3...including Brady. Brady has lost a couple, so have others. If he makes it that would give him 6 title game appearances....most in the so called Super Bowl era....but it would only tie him with Starr for title game appearances.
OG had 11 of those. Some of the other old timers like Baugh and Luckman may have had 4 titles and a number of title game appearances. I would have to check.
However you rank it I think he is no doubt in the Top 5 of all time. The man is a bit of a machine.
Best of all time is heavily influenced by what generation your grew up in and who you saw first hand. It's kinda like asking who was the best guitarist of all time, Hendrix because of his creativity and unsually playing style. Rhodes because his superb combination of classical runs, heavy riffs, and great solos? Malmsteen because of his fast noodling?
With different criteria, you get a different answer.
Best of all time is heavily influenced by what generation your grew up in and who you saw first hand. It's kinda like asking who was the best guitarist of all time, Hendrix because of his creativity and unsually playing style. Rhodes because his superb combination of classical runs, heavy riffs, and great solos? Malmsteen because of his fast noodling?
With different criteria, you get a different answer.
I guess you are right...seeing that I never heard of Rhodes or Malmsteen.
Some people say the best guitarist was Carl Perkins....try that out for a generational thing.
On the QB thing....you WILL have older gents fight you to the death if you leave out the names of Luckman/Baugh/Graham from any discussion of the greatest QB of all time.
And you have young people today who put Montana, Bradshaw, Fouts, etc. in the same league with Luckman and Baugh. Old guys they never saw play. To them the 5 greatest QBs of all time are Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre and whoever.
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Best of all time is heavily influenced by what generation your grew up in and who you saw first hand. It's kinda like asking who was the best guitarist of all time, Hendrix because of his creativity and unsually playing style. Rhodes because his superb combination of classical runs, heavy riffs, and great solos? Malmsteen because of his fast noodling?
With different criteria, you get a different answer.
I guess you are right...seeing that I never heard of Rhodes or Malmsteen.
Some people say the best guitarist was Carl Perkins....try that out for a generational thing.
On the QB thing....you WILL have older gents fight you to the death if you leave out the names of Luckman/Baugh/Graham from any discussion of the greatest QB of all time.
And you have young people today who put Montana, Bradshaw, Fouts, etc. in the same league with Luckman and Baugh. Old guys they never saw play. To them the 5 greatest QBs of all time are Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre and whoever.
I guess you are right...seeing that I never heard of Rhodes or Malmsteen.
Some people say the best guitarist was Carl Perkins....try that out for a generational thing.
On the QB thing....you WILL have older gents fight you to the death if you leave out the names of Luckman/Baugh/Graham from any discussion of the greatest QB of all time.
And you have young people today who put Montana, Bradshaw, Fouts, etc. in the same league with Luckman and Baugh. Old guys they never saw play. To them the 5 greatest QBs of all time are Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre and whoever.
Randy Rhodes? The late and great original guitarist for Ozzy Osbourne?!?!
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I guess you are right...seeing that I never heard of Rhodes or Malmsteen.
Some people say the best guitarist was Carl Perkins....try that out for a generational thing.
On the QB thing....you WILL have older gents fight you to the death if you leave out the names of Luckman/Baugh/Graham from any discussion of the greatest QB of all time.
And you have young people today who put Montana, Bradshaw, Fouts, etc. in the same league with Luckman and Baugh. Old guys they never saw play. To them the 5 greatest QBs of all time are Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre and whoever.
Randy Rhodes? The late and great original guitarist for Ozzy Osbourne?!?!
Randy Rhodes? The late and great original guitarist for Ozzy Osbourne?!?!
Not someone I would put on any greatest list. I will have to see what others think.
I have done so. I consulted Rolling Stone Magazine who ranked the Top 100 guitarists of all time.
Here are the Top 25:
1. Hendrix
2. Duane Allman
3. BB King
4. Clapton
5. Robert Johnson
6. Chuck Berry
7. Stevie Ray Vaughn
8. Ry Cooder
9. Jimmy Page
10. Keith Richards
11. Kirk Hammett
12. Kur Cobain
13. Jerry Garcia
14. Jeff Beck
15. Santana
16. Johnny Ramone
17. Jack White
18. John Frusciante
19. Richard Thompson
20. James Burton (session player)
21. George Harrison
22. Mike Bloomfield
23. Warren Haynes (Allman Bros.)
24. The Edge
25. Freddy King
a few others in the top 50:
28. Stephen Stills
31. Dick Dale
37. Bo Diddley
39. Brian May
40. John Fogerty
42. Robert Fripp
44. Scotty Moore (Elvis's guitarist)
45. Zappa
46. Les Paul
48. Joe Perry
50. Pete Townshend
Randy Rhoads was rated 85th between Eddie Cochrane and Joan Jett.
Malmsteen didn't make top 100
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Randy Rhodes was very talented but he wouldn't even sniff the top five in my mind. Steve vai and satriani are gifted as well but their music kind of sucks.
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Randy Rhodes was very talented but he wouldn't even sniff the top five in my mind. Steve vai and satriani are gifted as well but their music kind of sucks.
Randy Rhodes was very talented but he wouldn't even sniff the top five in my mind. Steve vai and satriani are gifted as well but their music kind of sucks.
Hey! Something we totally agree on muscially Lol.
I just picked Rhodes because he could do the technical playing that petrricui and the others you mention do. But he made great riffs and just plain great music He didn't need to noddle around the entire song to make it awesome. Shit they play crazy train at every damn football game.
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Randy Rhodes was very talented but he wouldn't even sniff the top five in my mind. Steve vai and satriani are gifted as well but their music kind of sucks.
Randy Rhodes was very talented but he wouldn't even sniff the top five in my mind. Steve vai and satriani are gifted as well but their music kind of sucks.
I didn't see either Vai or Satriani listed in Rolling Stone's Top 100. Of course I think the list was the choice of one particular RS writer....so it may be just one opinion.
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The best is likely to be someone we've never heard of. This guy on acoustic impressed me big time
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For what its worth a website called Ranker.com did a survey of some 6000 people on who the best QB of all time was. Here are the results, which, naturally are more weighted toward the more recent:
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Unitas
4. P. Manning
5. Elway
6. Marino
7. Favre
8. Young
9. Starr
10. Staubach
11. Bradshaw
12. Brees
13. Graham
14. Aikman
15. Tarkenton
16. Warner
17. Rodgers
18. Baugh
19. Kelly
20. Fouts
21. Moon
22. Tittle
23. Namath
24. Stabler
25. E. Manning
26. Bob Griese
27. Van Brocklin
28. Jurgenson
29. Luckman
30. Blanda
31. Roethlisberger
32. Dawson
33. A. Manning
34. Herber
35. Layne
36. Simms
37. Plunkett
38. Bledsoe
39. Theisman
40. Meredith
41. Lamonica
42. Esiason
43. Anderson (Ken)
44. Gabriel
45. Cunningham
46. Kosar
47. McNair
48. McNabb
49. Vick
50.........You choose
Some candidates: Collins, Kreig, Everett, Hart, DeBerg, Hadl, Brunell, Snead, Ferguson, Brodie, Plummer, Kitna, Palmer, Brad Johnson, Charley Johnson, Gannon, Jaworski, George, Grogan, Harbaugh, O'Brien, Kramer, Romo, Culpepper, Bartkowski, Beurlein, Sipe, Lomax, Parilli, White, Jack Kemp, Morrall, Cutler, Dilfer, Rote, Wade, Pastorini, Rypien, Bert Jones, McMahon, Doug Williams, Frank Ryan, Bill Nelsen, Majkowski, Waterfield, Friedman, Parker, Driscoll, Clark
Italics means current HOF members.
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The best is likely to be someone we've never heard of. This guy on acoustic impressed me big time
The best is likely to be someone we've never heard of. This guy on acoustic impressed me big time
Several guys like Clapton, Hendrix, Townshend have said Phil Keaggy is the best they have seen. Glass Harp.
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Local Cleveland whack-job Glenn schwartz apparently mentored Joe Walsh and taught hendrix to play with his teeth and also played hendrix' last birthday party
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Local Cleveland whack-job Glenn schwartz apparently mentored Joe Walsh and taught hendrix to play with his teeth and also played hendrix' last birthday party
Local Cleveland whack-job Glenn schwartz apparently mentored Joe Walsh and taught hendrix to play with his teeth and also played hendrix' last birthday party
Walsh wasn't included on that list. Again, one guy's opinion.
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