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Weeden Blows! December, 2012

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  • USFBrownU USFBrown

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    The New York Football Giants got there ass handed to them 34-0 by the Falcons. Anything can happen in the NFL. Remember they won the Super Bowl last year.

    I know but the Giants have proved in the past that they can contend. The Browns have beat 3 shitty teams and everyone acts like they're a playoff team. Great enthusiasm but it's not reality.

    @usfbrown said:

    I know but the Giants have proved in the past that they can contend. The Browns have beat 3 shitty teams and everyone acts like they're a playoff team. Great enthusiasm but it's not reality.

    So a team has to win a Super Bowl before their fans can root for the team? That makes no sense..

  • B bringbackbrownie2

    @usfbrown said:

    I know but the Giants have proved in the past that they can contend. The Browns have beat 3 shitty teams and everyone acts like they're a playoff team. Great enthusiasm but it's not reality.

    So a team has to win a Super Bowl before their fans can root for the team? That makes no sense..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    So a team has to win a Super Bowl before their fans can root for the team? That makes no sense..

    Why don't you read the entire posts. I said people were saying on here that the Browns will be a playoff contender next season. I disagreed. This game is exactly why I don't think the Browns are a playoff team yet. They strung off 3 wins against shit teams and suddenly people think they're playoff bound next season.

    The retort was that the Giants got their asses handled to them today, but they are still a playoff team. Yes, that's true because in recent past, this season and last, the Giants have beaten playoff teams. The Browns haven't. Therefore the Browns, in my opinion, are not a playoff contender this season and probably not next.

    I'll always root for them, I'm just stating my opinion and giving examples of why I think this way. Thanks.

  • a few players away inluding a RG

  • need a qb, te, fb, g, lb, cb, s, p and then they'll be a playoff team

  • I'm not sure if I'm taking it the wrong way, but it seemed like he was trying to take the blame off of himself before anyone put it on him.

    It made me mad, as if he were trying to better his image and not acknowledge the fact he played a bad game today.

    I think it was a team loss but to just flat out say it in the beginning before anyone even asked just makes it seem like he's trying to save himself.

  • Well, the Browns were outplayed and outcoached today. This game just lets us know how far we still need to go. Weeden was lost as he has been most of the year. Cousins benefited from a coaching staff that had a plan to help him succeed.

    The playoff talk was fun but we are still miles away from being contender. BUT with all the negatives......... i still feel good about this team going into next year.

  • We knew Shurmur was useless.

    We need LB's other than DJ who can do something useful with their lives.

    We also need DB's other than JH and TW who are functional NFL players.. the rest shouldn't earn playing time on CFL teams.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown

  • Worst pick Hecket has made yet, i think he felt pressured into taking him by Holmgren and the fact that we missed on RG3....He isnt the answer im sorry guys we gotta look else where... I knew when we made the pick we could have grabbed someone else and just McCoy ride this season out or shit took Cousins or Wilson a guy in a later round who Wasnt a 1st round pick or 29 Fucking years old,who could be better...

  • Worst pick Hecket has made yet, i think he felt pressured into taking him by Holmgren and the fact that we missed on RG3....He isnt the answer im sorry guys we gotta look else where... I knew when we made the pick we could have grabbed someone else and just McCoy ride this season out or shit took Cousins or Wilson a guy in a later round who Wasnt a 1st round pick or 29 Fucking years old,who could be better...

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  • Yes, he does.

  • I do think Heckert was pressured to get him. He is absolutely terrible. I wanted to give him the whole season to really form an opinion, but damn.

  • All Ive seen this season from BW is a QB with 0 vision and 0 QB instincts

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • Browns149B Browns149

    28-7 in the second half.............great job at halftime coaches.

    @browns149 said:

    28-7 in the second half.............great job at halftime coaches.

    You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..

  • B BaconHound

    @browns149 said:

    28-7 in the second half.............great job at halftime coaches.

    You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..

    @baconhound said:

    You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..

    I think you need a coach that knows how to make adjustments. We run the same crap EVERY game. There seems to be NO game specific adjustments at all. Just run slants and crossing routes, regardless of the opponent.

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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  • I agree Weeden blows this year but I'll stand by the same assessment I have of Shurmur. You start with Weeden next year unless there is a better FA option available. You hope he gets better with a year plus under his belt in the same system with the same receivers. You try and get better and deeper in need positions like LB, OL, WR, FB, TE, DL. If after next year Weeden still hasn't gotten it or Shurmur is clearly holding the team back, make the change, but don't do it for the sake of doing it. The Browns next year will be a long shot to be a playoff team unless Tom Brady walks through the door so lets get some stability for once.

  • Ain't no way Shurmur is coach next year.

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  • Browns149B Browns149

    @baconhound said:

    You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..

    I think you need a coach that knows how to make adjustments. We run the same crap EVERY game. There seems to be NO game specific adjustments at all. Just run slants and crossing routes, regardless of the opponent.

    @browns149 said:

    I think you need a coach that knows how to make adjustments. We run the same crap EVERY game. There seems to be NO game specific adjustments at all. Just run slants and crossing routes, regardless of the opponent.

    Almost every passing play has a deep, intermediate and checkdown option. This isn't rocket science it is the way schemes are. Passing the ball deep depends on protection, WR speed, QB decision making and defense. If one of those four things goes against the throw it doesn't work. There isn't a "special" playbook that Belichick or Mccarthy has, they've got the talent to execute and Belichick uses a lot of short passes to Welker to setup deeper throws.

  • Why the in the Hell isn't TBenjamin on the field to stretch it? would probably relieve some pressure up front. Christ look what Torry Smith did for the Ratbirds last year, RAw talent that produced. In this game speed kills. TB could be running deep outs, skinny posts, just about anything. Yet we go with the traditional 2 wr set allowing 8 men up. Shumer needs to go, Weeds needs to get some confidence in his Wr's to make plays themselves. He has a gun, release, needs to have more confidence.

  • B blitzz2

    Why the in the Hell isn't TBenjamin on the field to stretch it? would probably relieve some pressure up front. Christ look what Torry Smith did for the Ratbirds last year, RAw talent that produced. In this game speed kills. TB could be running deep outs, skinny posts, just about anything. Yet we go with the traditional 2 wr set allowing 8 men up. Shumer needs to go, Weeds needs to get some confidence in his Wr's to make plays themselves. He has a gun, release, needs to have more confidence.

    @blitzz2 said:

    Why the in the Hell isn't TBenjamin on the field to stretch it? would probably relieve some pressure up front. Christ look what Torry Smith did for the Ratbirds last year, RAw talent that produced. In this game speed kills. TB could be running deep outs, skinny posts, just about anything. Yet we go with the traditional 2 wr set allowing 8 men up. Shumer needs to go, Weeds needs to get some confidence in his Wr's to make plays themselves. He has a gun, release, needs to have more confidence.

    Our RBs and O line don't scheme block that well so it's tough to go empty or 1 TE.

  • Weeden is here for at least another season. In the off season he'll recognize and work on 'pocket awareness'. He is terrible in the pocket:

    - can't seem to find the open guy

    - can't make quick decisions

    - can't decide when to do what

    - regarding batted balls, he'll recognize that he has to also see the 4 - 9 feet in front of him instead of trying to throw a speedball through the defensesive. The batted balls are the most aggravating, he seems to often to throw right into oncoming traffic - again, seeing the few feet in front of him, as well as down field.

    - quit staring down the play. Defenses often have no problem figuring out where the play is going cause Weeden stands and stares until it's time to pull the trigger.

    However, there are allot of solid, easily identifable issues he can work on in the off season. The guy was a pro baseball player and should have the athletic smarts to identify and address his shortcomings. Why he hasn't done more this season is a real concern. Guys like Romo, Rothlisberger, Manning, Cousins, Flacco, etc. pull a play out when all looks like a bust. Weeden will calm down and build on that. Not ready to toss the guy just yet, at least until the rest of the team plays above his level. If the offensive line had been better against Washington, Weeden might have made better decisions. He did not have a good game, but Washington made him play to all his weaknesses too. Surprising for a Redskins team that hasn't really shown much of that until the game against Baltimore a week ago.

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