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Nfl Rumors: Banner To “Clean House” As Soon As Season Ends

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    ^100%

    that could be the solution in the short run. maybe weeds can grow from a FA 'veteran' QB.

    BUT remember alex smith's problem before harbaugh was the switching between OCs every 2 years. so bring him in here to do the same thing?

    i'm starting to feel queezy about banner. is this gonna be philly double squared?

    puke.

    @miktoxic said:

    ^100%

    that could be the solution in the short run. maybe weeds can grow from a FA 'veteran' QB.

    BUT remember alex smith's problem before harbaugh was the switching between OCs every 2 years. so bring him in here to do the same thing?

    i'm starting to feel queezy about banner. is this gonna be philly double squared?

    puke.

    Yeah hopefully all the changes are made quickly with the front office, so we at least know who we have running the team. As for Alex Smith, he is Younger, Better and more suited to the way our offense is run at the moment than Weeden, saying that it will likely change again with a new Coach coming in. But I feel getting Smith if it didnt cost too much doing so would elevate the team to the next level right away.

  • gotcha.

    at least some type of competitive fire burning under ANY QBs azz at this point would be a good thing,

    weeden was 'wired up' for the u.s. version of 'sunday night football' and the only thing i remember about it was a coach going over to weeds and telling him how to talk up his offense.....really? if you're a winner you do that naturally. correct?

    i want a dude that's on fire and will scream at his receivers for not running the right routes.

  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    @ballpeen said:

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.

    We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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  • kamac19K kamac19

    @ballpeen said:

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    But again it just goes to show the importance of finding that QB that will make your team tick, and once again I dont think we have Russ. I hope we go all out and bring in Alex Smith from 49ers, he is the only QB that might be available that would make this team better right away. Otherwise we are just going to carry on hoping that will find a needle in a haystack that is a Franchise QB for the Browns.

    @kamac19 said:

    But again it just goes to show the importance of finding that QB that will make your team tick, and once again I dont think we have Russ. I hope we go all out and bring in Alex Smith from 49ers, he is the only QB that might be available that would make this team better right away. Otherwise we are just going to carry on hoping that will find a needle in a haystack that is a Franchise QB for the Browns.

    We need a coach to go with the QB. Alex Smith was a bust until Harbaugh got there

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • watching Denvers offense made me want McCoy even more, could see Weeden running that offense very well...

  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    @ballpeen said:

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    Indy has 8 wins over teams with losing records - 7 of which have 5 wins or less. Wait until next year when they get a tougher schedule..

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  • B bringbackbrownie2

    @ballpeen said:

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    Indy has 8 wins over teams with losing records - 7 of which have 5 wins or less. Wait until next year when they get a tougher schedule..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    Indy has 8 wins over teams with losing records - 7 of which have 5 wins or less. Wait until next year when they get a tougher schedule..

    and next year they won't be riding the emotional high of their coaches illness

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • Good. Shurmur is a big floppy pussy.

  • Browns149B Browns149

    @ballpeen said:

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.

    We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years

    @browns149 said:

    Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.

    We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years

    True, but you forgot about the epic 6-3 thriller last year when we beat their asses 🙄

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  • Bob806B Bob806

    @browns149 said:

    Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.

    We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years

    True, but you forgot about the epic 6-3 thriller last year when we beat their asses 🙄

    @bob806 said:

    True, but you forgot about the epic 6-3 thriller last year when we beat their asses 🙄

    I've been trying to forget that since it happened 😮

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.

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  • B BrownsFan

    Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.

    @brownsfan said:

    Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.

    Well rookie, Russell Wilson seems to be doing a good enough job with averaging under 200yds a game, where does it say a team has to be successful by having 300yd+ passing yards a game, Browns best QB's avg less than 200yd+ per game apart from Kosar who was 202yds per game. Someone who can complete 60-65% plus passes and not throw many interceptions is the type of QB we need on the team, and at the moment the QB screaming out like that is Alex Smith, Weeden possibly is what Smith was when first entering the League but by the time he matures to Smiths level, he will be 34 years old. We just have to accept that we may have made another dumb move selecting Weeden, dont get me wrong I would love I I am wrong but I think most people with some sense of judgement and knowledge of seeing a QB behind a good O-Line like the Browns have got for 15 games and not being that impressed would have the right to bare judgement that he is not upto the task of what we need to go forward.

  • kamac19K kamac19

    @brownsfan said:

    Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.

    Well rookie, Russell Wilson seems to be doing a good enough job with averaging under 200yds a game, where does it say a team has to be successful by having 300yd+ passing yards a game, Browns best QB's avg less than 200yd+ per game apart from Kosar who was 202yds per game. Someone who can complete 60-65% plus passes and not throw many interceptions is the type of QB we need on the team, and at the moment the QB screaming out like that is Alex Smith, Weeden possibly is what Smith was when first entering the League but by the time he matures to Smiths level, he will be 34 years old. We just have to accept that we may have made another dumb move selecting Weeden, dont get me wrong I would love I I am wrong but I think most people with some sense of judgement and knowledge of seeing a QB behind a good O-Line like the Browns have got for 15 games and not being that impressed would have the right to bare judgement that he is not upto the task of what we need to go forward.

    @kamac19 said:

    Well rookie, Russell Wilson seems to be doing a good enough job with averaging under 200yds a game, where does it say a team has to be successful by having 300yd+ passing yards a game

    You don't have to throw for tons of yards to win games. But no QB has been able to consistently win while relying on QB sneaks as much as Newton, Wilson, and RG3 do... History tells us this type of QB style is figured out eventually..

  • Good. Clean house. This team is still as very bad team but with more talent than the past few years.

    I'd take Alex Smith in a heart beat. Give Weeds a competition.

  • kamac19K kamac19

    @ballpeen said:

    I have mixed emotions on Heckert.

    Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.

    But again it just goes to show the importance of finding that QB that will make your team tick, and once again I dont think we have Russ. I hope we go all out and bring in Alex Smith from 49ers, he is the only QB that might be available that would make this team better right away. Otherwise we are just going to carry on hoping that will find a needle in a haystack that is a Franchise QB for the Browns.

    @kamac19 said:

    But again it just goes to show the importance of finding that QB that will make your team tick, and once again I dont think we have Russ. I hope we go all out and bring in Alex Smith from 49ers, he is the only QB that might be available that would make this team better right away. Otherwise we are just going to carry on hoping that will find a needle in a haystack that is a Franchise QB for the Browns.

    I do understand, but there is always circumstance that can alter results. The bottom line in all of this is Heckert is the GM of a team that finishes in last place.

    The roster HAS improved, no question. However, it hasn't improved enough.

    As I have said, if we elect to keep Heck, it won't bother me. If we dump him it won't bother me.

    My guess is we make a clean break. on Monday morning about 10AM we will be informed both Heckert and Shurmer have been relieved of duty.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • Heckert has been good at drafting role players, but we have yet to draft a marquee playmaker while he was here. Richardson may be that, but right now he is not even the best RB taken in the first round.

  • OK, so maybe Banner is going to "clean house" immediately after the end of the season....Happy New Year.

    But....I don't think he can make any moves to replace those he dismisses right away until after the college bowl season ends....or maybe even until the NFL playoffs are over

    Names bandied about like Saban and Kelly have to close out their bowl games, and I don't think that all happens until like January 7th or something.

    And if a guy like Josh McDaniels is on the list, they will have to wait until the Pats are out of the playoffs....which, if the Pats go to the Super Bowl could be until Mid February.

    So look for that as a sign....If someone is hired right after the Bowl games, then a current NFL coordinator may never have been on their list....but if it drags on, then you will know that their sights are set on a McDaniel, or someone still in the NFL playoffs.

  • I think he should completely clean house.

    Get Your people in from the start.

    Fans, get used to Heckert being gone. He wasn't that great.

    Dawson and Cribbs will probably never be Browns again either. I love those guys ... but it's over.

    It's going to be a complete new regime, let's hope it ends the 4-12/5-11 nightmare that has become the Cleveland Browns.

    Zombo

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  • I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..

    As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..

    The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
  • GipsG Gips

    I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..

    As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..

    The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..

    @gips said:

    I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..

    As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..

    The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..

    Brad Seely, our old Special Teams coach, been doing Assistant HC at 49ers aswell as when he was here for a year, and he certainly seems to know how to put together special team units, so might be worth the gamble on him being just as good with running the team overall, just my little input to an outside bet for our new HC.

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