Nfl Rumors: Banner To “Clean House” As Soon As Season Ends
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I have mixed emotions on Heckert.
Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.
Indy has 8 wins over teams with losing records - 7 of which have 5 wins or less. Wait until next year when they get a tougher schedule..
Indy has 8 wins over teams with losing records - 7 of which have 5 wins or less. Wait until next year when they get a tougher schedule..
and next year they won't be riding the emotional high of their coaches illness
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Good. Shurmur is a big floppy pussy.
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I have mixed emotions on Heckert.
Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.
Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.
We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years
Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.
We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years
True, but you forgot about the epic 6-3 thriller last year when we beat their asses
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Seattle was no where near as bad as the Browns have been. THey won their division in 2010 (7-9) and won a playoff game that year. ANd in 2011 they were 7-9 also.
We have won 7 or more games only 3 times in the past 14 years
True, but you forgot about the epic 6-3 thriller last year when we beat their asses
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Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.
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Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.
Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.
Well rookie, Russell Wilson seems to be doing a good enough job with averaging under 200yds a game, where does it say a team has to be successful by having 300yd+ passing yards a game, Browns best QB's avg less than 200yd+ per game apart from Kosar who was 202yds per game. Someone who can complete 60-65% plus passes and not throw many interceptions is the type of QB we need on the team, and at the moment the QB screaming out like that is Alex Smith, Weeden possibly is what Smith was when first entering the League but by the time he matures to Smiths level, he will be 34 years old. We just have to accept that we may have made another dumb move selecting Weeden, dont get me wrong I would love I I am wrong but I think most people with some sense of judgement and knowledge of seeing a QB behind a good O-Line like the Browns have got for 15 games and not being that impressed would have the right to bare judgement that he is not upto the task of what we need to go forward.
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Alex Smith is as much an answer to any teams QB question as Mark Sanchez is. Alex Smith in all his years in the NFL has as many 300+ passing yard games as Weeden had this year.
Well rookie, Russell Wilson seems to be doing a good enough job with averaging under 200yds a game, where does it say a team has to be successful by having 300yd+ passing yards a game, Browns best QB's avg less than 200yd+ per game apart from Kosar who was 202yds per game. Someone who can complete 60-65% plus passes and not throw many interceptions is the type of QB we need on the team, and at the moment the QB screaming out like that is Alex Smith, Weeden possibly is what Smith was when first entering the League but by the time he matures to Smiths level, he will be 34 years old. We just have to accept that we may have made another dumb move selecting Weeden, dont get me wrong I would love I I am wrong but I think most people with some sense of judgement and knowledge of seeing a QB behind a good O-Line like the Browns have got for 15 games and not being that impressed would have the right to bare judgement that he is not upto the task of what we need to go forward.
Well rookie, Russell Wilson seems to be doing a good enough job with averaging under 200yds a game, where does it say a team has to be successful by having 300yd+ passing yards a game
You don't have to throw for tons of yards to win games. But no QB has been able to consistently win while relying on QB sneaks as much as Newton, Wilson, and RG3 do... History tells us this type of QB style is figured out eventually..
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Good. Clean house. This team is still as very bad team but with more talent than the past few years.
I'd take Alex Smith in a heart beat. Give Weeds a competition.
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I have mixed emotions on Heckert.
Indy and Seattle were as bad or worse than us last season and they are now playoff teams and we are still in last place, so it's not like Heckert is a mastermind.
But again it just goes to show the importance of finding that QB that will make your team tick, and once again I dont think we have Russ. I hope we go all out and bring in Alex Smith from 49ers, he is the only QB that might be available that would make this team better right away. Otherwise we are just going to carry on hoping that will find a needle in a haystack that is a Franchise QB for the Browns.
But again it just goes to show the importance of finding that QB that will make your team tick, and once again I dont think we have Russ. I hope we go all out and bring in Alex Smith from 49ers, he is the only QB that might be available that would make this team better right away. Otherwise we are just going to carry on hoping that will find a needle in a haystack that is a Franchise QB for the Browns.
I do understand, but there is always circumstance that can alter results. The bottom line in all of this is Heckert is the GM of a team that finishes in last place.
The roster HAS improved, no question. However, it hasn't improved enough.
As I have said, if we elect to keep Heck, it won't bother me. If we dump him it won't bother me.
My guess is we make a clean break. on Monday morning about 10AM we will be informed both Heckert and Shurmer have been relieved of duty.
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OK, so maybe Banner is going to "clean house" immediately after the end of the season....Happy New Year.
But....I don't think he can make any moves to replace those he dismisses right away until after the college bowl season ends....or maybe even until the NFL playoffs are over
Names bandied about like Saban and Kelly have to close out their bowl games, and I don't think that all happens until like January 7th or something.
And if a guy like Josh McDaniels is on the list, they will have to wait until the Pats are out of the playoffs....which, if the Pats go to the Super Bowl could be until Mid February.
So look for that as a sign....If someone is hired right after the Bowl games, then a current NFL coordinator may never have been on their list....but if it drags on, then you will know that their sights are set on a McDaniel, or someone still in the NFL playoffs.
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I think he should completely clean house.
Get Your people in from the start.
Fans, get used to Heckert being gone. He wasn't that great.
Dawson and Cribbs will probably never be Browns again either. I love those guys ... but it's over.
It's going to be a complete new regime, let's hope it ends the 4-12/5-11 nightmare that has become the Cleveland Browns.
Zombo
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I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..
As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..
The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..
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I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..
As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..
The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..
I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..
As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..
The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..
Brad Seely, our old Special Teams coach, been doing Assistant HC at 49ers aswell as when he was here for a year, and he certainly seems to know how to put together special team units, so might be worth the gamble on him being just as good with running the team overall, just my little input to an outside bet for our new HC.
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I think he should completely clean house.
Get Your people in from the start.
Fans, get used to Heckert being gone. He wasn't that great.
Dawson and Cribbs will probably never be Browns again either. I love those guys ... but it's over.
It's going to be a complete new regime, let's hope it ends the 4-12/5-11 nightmare that has become the Cleveland Browns.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I think he should completely clean house.
Get Your people in from the start.
Fans, get used to Heckert being gone. He wasn't that great.
Dawson and Cribbs will probably never be Browns again either. I love those guys ... but it's over.
It's going to be a complete new regime, let's hope it ends the 4-12/5-11 nightmare that has become the Cleveland Browns.
Zombo
I may be crazy, but now that Art Modell is dead, I think we start to ascend. The guy fired Paul Brown, and we've been well below .500 ever since. Hell, we haven't even hired an experienced NFL coach since 1963.
Let's hope Haslam gets it right. If any fan base "deserves" a winner, it's us. This season made me sick, with Shurmer playing so damn conservative, and perhaps blowing the 22nd pick.
The roster doesn't need a complete overhaul, we're missing speed on defense and an impact LB. Make LB a priority, and address the guards so we can run block. Get a high energy coach that can teach...sounds easy, we'll see.
I'm sick of seeing many teams go from 4-12 to 10-6, and not us. We're long overdue. I believe we have the NFC North & AFC East next year, so it won't be easy.
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I like heckert better than any GM we have had since the browns return however if banner replaces tom heckert with someone he believes can impact this teams draft and FA prospects even more i am all for that to, (catch 22 incoming) as long as banner dont try to sell us a POS known as mike lombardi as that guy..
As for the new HC im expecting a near no name, nothing awesome like kelly or saban i would consider almost anyone within the college rank HCs and a few nfl OCs like josh mcdaniels or jay gruden an excellent upgrade over pat shurmur..
The problem with most of the existing nfl OCs and or DCs is that very few of them are genuinely HC material..
Brad Seely, our old Special Teams coach, been doing Assistant HC at 49ers aswell as when he was here for a year, and he certainly seems to know how to put together special team units, so might be worth the gamble on him being just as good with running the team overall, just my little input to an outside bet for our new HC.
Brad Seely, our old Special Teams coach, been doing Assistant HC at 49ers aswell as when he was here for a year, and he certainly seems to know how to put together special team units, so might be worth the gamble on him being just as good with running the team overall, just my little input to an outside bet for our new HC.
Both Bill Cowher and Gunther Cunningham went from being a special teams coaches to HCs, so the move is not unprecedented. In Cowher's case, it was a success. Not so much with Cunningham.
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Zombo said:
I think he should completely clean house.
Get Your people in from the start.
Fans, get used to Heckert being gone. He wasn't that great.
Dawson and Cribbs will probably never be Browns again either. I love those guys ... but it's over.
It's going to be a complete new regime, let's hope it ends the 4-12/5-11 nightmare that has become the Cleveland Browns.
Zombo
I may be crazy, but now that Art Modell is dead, I think we start to ascend. The guy fired Paul Brown, and we've been well below .500 ever since. Hell, we haven't even hired an experienced NFL coach since 1963.
Let's hope Haslam gets it right. If any fan base "deserves" a winner, it's us. This season made me sick, with Shurmer playing so damn conservative, and perhaps blowing the 22nd pick.
The roster doesn't need a complete overhaul, we're missing speed on defense and an impact LB. Make LB a priority, and address the guards so we can run block. Get a high energy coach that can teach...sounds easy, we'll see.
I'm sick of seeing many teams go from 4-12 to 10-6, and not us. We're long overdue. I believe we have the NFC North & AFC East next year, so it won't be easy.
I may be crazy, but now that Art Modell is dead, I think we start to ascend. The guy fired Paul Brown, and we've been well below .500 ever since.
I would have to check, but I do not believe that is true at all.
Hell, we haven't even hired an experienced NFL coach since 1963.
Yes, both Nick Skorich and Eric Mangini were experienced HCs.
Let's hope Haslam gets it right. If any fan base "deserves" a winner, it's us. This season made me sick, with Shurmer playing so damn conservative, and perhaps blowing the 22nd pick.
The roster doesn't need a complete overhaul, we're missing speed on defense and an impact LB. Make LB a priority, and address the guards so we can run block. Get a high energy coach that can teach...sounds easy, we'll see.
Agree
I'm sick of seeing many teams go from 4-12 to 10-6, and not us. We're long overdue. I believe we have the NFC North & AFC East next year, so it won't be easy.
Agree...though in 2007 the Browns did go from like 4-12 to 10-6 no?
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Brad Seely, our old Special Teams coach, been doing Assistant HC at 49ers aswell as when he was here for a year, and he certainly seems to know how to put together special team units, so might be worth the gamble on him being just as good with running the team overall, just my little input to an outside bet for our new HC.
Both Bill Cowher and Gunther Cunningham went from being a special teams coaches to HCs, so the move is not unprecedented. In Cowher's case, it was a success. Not so much with Cunningham.
Both Bill Cowher and Gunther Cunningham went from being a special teams coaches to HCs, so the move is not unprecedented. In Cowher's case, it was a success. Not so much with Cunningham.
Gunther was a DC.
Cowher started as a ST but became a DC then a HC.
The only ST coaches I remember becoming a HC was the disaster that was Frank Ganz in KC, and the success that is John Harbaugh in Baltimore.
I like Seely a lot.
Zombo
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Both Bill Cowher and Gunther Cunningham went from being a special teams coaches to HCs, so the move is not unprecedented. In Cowher's case, it was a success. Not so much with Cunningham.
Gunther was a DC.
Cowher started as a ST but became a DC then a HC.
The only ST coaches I remember becoming a HC was the disaster that was Frank Ganz in KC, and the success that is John Harbaugh in Baltimore.
I like Seely a lot.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Gunther was a DC.
Cowher started as a ST but became a DC then a HC.
The only ST coaches I remember becoming a HC was the disaster that was Frank Ganz in KC, and the success that is John Harbaugh in Baltimore.
I like Seely a lot.
Zombo
I think I was confusing Ganz and Cunningham....I think they both were with KC, no?
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Gipper, yes I forgot about Mangini, and didn't realize about Nick Skorich coaching the Eagels. Lol, I forgot I was writing in response to the forum historian.
According to profootballreference.com, Paul Brown's record as coach of the Browns was 158-48-8. Our all-time franchise mark of 494-420-13 means that since 1964, our record is 336-372-5.
78-159 since 1995, ouch.
2007 was a great season, a fun season, where we won 7 out of 8 home games- it was a great time going to the games. Nowadays, the best part of going seems to be the pregame tailgates.
Karlis Missed
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