Hall Of Fame Voting
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My view on how to consider these candidates is to break them down into positions or units, e.g.:
A. Senior Committee nominees regardless of position: Culp/Robinson
B. QBs/RBs: Bettis
C. WRs/TEs: Carter/Reed/Brown
D. OL: Shields/Ogden/Allen
E. DBs: Williams
F. DTs: Sapp
G. DEs/OLBs: Strahan/Haley/Greene
H. MLBs: None
I. Coaches/Owners/Contributors: DeBartolo/Modell/Parcells
note, only 5 can be selected from the 7 various units.
In looking at each categor I ask: is anyone clearly NOT on a par with their competitors at their position and I see it as follows:
WRs...I personally don't see Reed on a par with Brown and Carter, so drop him
DE/OLB...I don't see Greene on a par with Strahan and Haley, so drop him
OL...all of these guys seem on a par and qualified to me, no one drops automatically
DTs/DBs/RBs...only one of each, so no one drops
Coaches/owners/contributors: My personal view is that guys that were directed to leave the league for the best interest of the league should not be voted in.
Thus I have reduced my acceptance down to:
Brown
Carter
Bettis
Ogden
Allen
Shields
Sapp
Williams
Parcells
Only 5 of these 9 can I accept. Personally, I am going to punish Tim Brown for his recent stupidity over the 2002 Super Bowl issue....but beyond that I think Carter was just a more valuable player...eliminat Brown, accept Carter
I am going to accept Parcells. I just think his whole body of work deserves it.
I personally am going to accept Haley over Strahan. I think Strahan got a lot of extra hype by just playing in NYC, and Haley was instrumental in the Super Bowl runs of two different teams.
That leaves just two spots between Bettis/Ogden/Allen/Shields/Sapp/Williams
So, its a personal choice, and I think I go for both Allen and Ogden. This is more of a gut feeling choice...and honestly, if anyone chose 5 different people from this bunch it would be fully supportable. So that is my view.
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I feel like Modell is going to get in, the final fucking knife in the back before we turn this thing around with Truckstop Jimmy.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I feel like Modell is going to get in, the final fucking knife in the back before we turn this thing around with Truckstop Jimmy.
Zombo
I have this sinking feeling that the NFL will kick Cleveland in the balls again and elect Modell. And of course, David will be there to accept with that fucking cigar hanging out of his mouth with that kiss my ass grin on his face. Just the thought of it makes me want to puke.
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I feel like Modell is going to get in, the final fucking knife in the back before we turn this thing around with Truckstop Jimmy.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I feel like Modell is going to get in, the final fucking knife in the back before we turn this thing around with Truckstop Jimmy.
Zombo
I don't think so. Peter King stated that he would NOT allow the man's death or the fact that "his" old team is in the Super Bowl this year sway his vote Modell's way.
He also stated that one way he looked at it was "would what this person supposedly accomplish have been done even if he had not been there" and King's answer was: even if Modell had not been involved, the contracts with the major broadcasters would still have gotten done, the Monday Night Footbal would still have gotten done. Everything he is supposedly credited with accomplishing would have still been done even if he had not been on the scene.
I suspect that many of the other writers feel the same way.
I mean, if a Raven is to go in, I think that Jonathan Ogden will be a much better choice.
Many people look at that as well.
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Note: If Dave Robinson is selected, that would make 12 coaches/players of that 1960s era Packer dynasty to make the Hall of Fame including:
Herb Adderly
Willie Davis
Forrest Gregg
Paul Hornung
Leroy Jordan
Vince Lombardi
Ray Nitschke
Jim Ringo
Bart Starr
Jim Taylor
Willie Wood
....and Dave Robinson
The 1970s Steeler dynasty currently has 10 coaches/players:
Mel Blount
Terry Bradshaw
Mean Joe Greene
Jack Ham
Franco Harris
Jack Lambert
Chuck Noll
John Stallworth
Lynn Swann
Mike Webster
So that would give those Packers a two player/coach lead...and many...including myself that one of the biggest HOF snubs has been perpetrated on another Packer player of that era: Jerry Kramer.
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I'd vote for:
Dave Robinson
Michael Strahan
Bill Parcells
Jerome Bettis
Chris Carter
Charles Haley
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Press around Baltimore reporting Ogden 90%+ chance to get in. Model less than 50%. I think it should be all players.
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The voting on who will enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame takes place either today or tomorrow, don't recall which. Here are brief synopses of the 17 Finalists. Two, Culp and Robinson are nominated by the Senior Committee and voted on separately. A maximum of 5 of the other 15 Finalists can make it. A max total of 7 plus the 2 Senior nominees can make it.
LARRY ALLEN OT/0G Sonoma St. 94-05 Cowboys, 06-07 49ers. 7 All Pros, 11 Pro Bowls. NFL All Decade team for the 90s and the 00s.
JEROME BETTIS RB Notre Dame. 93-95 Rams, 96-05 Steelers. Offensive Rookie of year 1995. 13,662 yards is 5th all time. 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros
TIM BROWN WR Notre Dame. 1988-2003 Raiders, 04 Bucs. At retirement was #2 all time in receptions and TD catches. 19,682 kick return yards in addition to being WR. 2 All Pro 9 Pro Bowls
CRIS CARTER WR Ohio State. 87-89 Eagles, 1990-2001 Vikings, 02 Dolphins. #2 all time in receptions and TD catches at retirement. All Decade 1990s. 3 All Pro 8 Pro Bowl
CURLEY CULP DT Arizona St. 1968-1974 Chiefs, 1974-1980 Oilers, 80-81 Lions. Defensive Player of the Year 1975. 1 All Pro 6 Pro Bowl
ED DEBARTOLO, JR. Notre Dame. Majority owner of SF 49ers 1977-2000. Won 5 Super Bowls while owner of 49ers, team appeared in 10 NFC title games. NFL Man of the Year 1989. Directed to divest himself as majority owner due to involvement in political corruption in Louisiana.
KEVIN GREENE DE/LB Auburn. 85-92 Rams, 93-95 Steelers, also played with Panthers and 49ers. 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros. 1990s All Decade team. At retirement was #3 in career sacks.
CHARLES HALEY DE/LB James Madison. 1986-1991 49ers. 1992-1996 Cowboys. Only player ever to play on 5 winning Super Bowl teams. 2 time Defensive Player of the Year. 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros
ART MODELL Owner Browns 1961-1995, Ravens 1996-2004. Teams won NFL titles in 1964 and 2000. Served as NFL President and Chairman of Broadcast Committee. Attempted to move Browns, awarded Ravens franchise in lieu. Directed to divest majority ownership of Ravens to avoid bank foreclosure on franchise.
JONATHAN OGDEN OT UCLA 1996-2007 Ravens. 6 All Pro 11 Pro Bowl 2000s All Decade team
BILL PARCELLS Head Coach Colgate/Wichita St. HC of Giants 1983-1990, Patriot 1993-1996, Jets 1997-1999, Cowboys 2003-2006. 172-130-1 regular season record. Turned each team he coached from a losing team to a winning team during his tenure. Won 1986 and 1990 Super Bowls with Giants. Took Patriots to Super Bowl. NFL Coach of the year 1986 and 1994.
ANDRE REED WR Kutztown St. Bills 1985-1999, Redskins 2000. 951 catches 3rd all time at retirement. 9 50+ catch season second all time at retirement. 7 Pro Bowls
DAVE ROBINSON LB Penn St. 1963-1972 Packers, 1973-1974 Redskins. OLB on Packers 3 straight tites in 65-66-67. 3 All Pro 3 Pro Bowl 1960s All Decade team
WARREN SAPP DT Miami, Fla. 1995-2003 Buccaneers, 2004-2007 Raiders Defensive Rookie of the year 1995. 1999 Defensive Player of the year. 96.5 career sacks from interior line. 4 All Pro, 7 Pro Bowl All Decade teams of both 1990s and 2000s
WILL SHIELDS OT Nebraska 1993-2006 Chiefs 12 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros All Decade team of 2000s
MICHAEL STRAHAN DE Texas Southern 1993-2007 Giants, Holds season and career record for sacks. Defensive POY 2001, 2000s All Decade Team, 5 All Pros 7 Pro Bowls.
AENEAS WILLIAMS CB/Safety. Southern U. 1991-200 Cardinals, 01-04 Rams. 8 times Pro Bowl as both corner and safety. 1990s All decade team. 55 interceptions, 9 for TDs.
The voting on who will enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame takes place either today or tomorrow, don't recall which. Here are brief synopses of the 17 Finalists. Two, Culp and Robinson are nominated by the Senior Committee and voted on separately. A maximum of 5 of the other 15 Finalists can make it. A max total of 7 plus the 2 Senior nominees can make it.
LARRY ALLEN OT/0G Sonoma St. 94-05 Cowboys, 06-07 49ers. 7 All Pros, 11 Pro Bowls. NFL All Decade team for the 90s and the 00s.
JEROME BETTIS RB Notre Dame. 93-95 Rams, 96-05 Steelers. Offensive Rookie of year 1995. 13,662 yards is 5th all time. 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros
TIM BROWN WR Notre Dame. 1988-2003 Raiders, 04 Bucs. At retirement was #2 all time in receptions and TD catches. 19,682 kick return yards in addition to being WR. 2 All Pro 9 Pro Bowls
CRIS CARTER WR Ohio State. 87-89 Eagles, 1990-2001 Vikings, 02 Dolphins. #2 all time in receptions and TD catches at retirement. All Decade 1990s. 3 All Pro 8 Pro Bowl
CURLEY CULP DT Arizona St. 1968-1974 Chiefs, 1974-1980 Oilers, 80-81 Lions. Defensive Player of the Year 1975. 1 All Pro 6 Pro Bowl
ED DEBARTOLO, JR. Notre Dame. Majority owner of SF 49ers 1977-2000. Won 5 Super Bowls while owner of 49ers, team appeared in 10 NFC title games. NFL Man of the Year 1989. Directed to divest himself as majority owner due to involvement in political corruption in Louisiana.
KEVIN GREENE DE/LB Auburn. 85-92 Rams, 93-95 Steelers, also played with Panthers and 49ers. 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros. 1990s All Decade team. At retirement was #3 in career sacks.
CHARLES HALEY DE/LB James Madison. 1986-1991 49ers. 1992-1996 Cowboys. Only player ever to play on 5 winning Super Bowl teams. 2 time Defensive Player of the Year. 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros
ART MODELL Owner Browns 1961-1995, Ravens 1996-2004. Teams won NFL titles in 1964 and 2000. Served as NFL President and Chairman of Broadcast Committee. Attempted to move Browns, awarded Ravens franchise in lieu. Directed to divest majority ownership of Ravens to avoid bank foreclosure on franchise.
JONATHAN OGDEN OT UCLA 1996-2007 Ravens. 6 All Pro 11 Pro Bowl 2000s All Decade team
BILL PARCELLS Head Coach Colgate/Wichita St. HC of Giants 1983-1990, Patriot 1993-1996, Jets 1997-1999, Cowboys 2003-2006. 172-130-1 regular season record. Turned each team he coached from a losing team to a winning team during his tenure. Won 1986 and 1990 Super Bowls with Giants. Took Patriots to Super Bowl. NFL Coach of the year 1986 and 1994.
ANDRE REED WR Kutztown St. Bills 1985-1999, Redskins 2000. 951 catches 3rd all time at retirement. 9 50+ catch season second all time at retirement. 7 Pro Bowls
DAVE ROBINSON LB Penn St. 1963-1972 Packers, 1973-1974 Redskins. OLB on Packers 3 straight tites in 65-66-67. 3 All Pro 3 Pro Bowl 1960s All Decade team
WARREN SAPP DT Miami, Fla. 1995-2003 Buccaneers, 2004-2007 Raiders Defensive Rookie of the year 1995. 1999 Defensive Player of the year. 96.5 career sacks from interior line. 4 All Pro, 7 Pro Bowl All Decade teams of both 1990s and 2000s
WILL SHIELDS OT Nebraska 1993-2006 Chiefs 12 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros All Decade team of 2000s
MICHAEL STRAHAN DE Texas Southern 1993-2007 Giants, Holds season and career record for sacks. Defensive POY 2001, 2000s All Decade Team, 5 All Pros 7 Pro Bowls.
AENEAS WILLIAMS CB/Safety. Southern U. 1991-200 Cardinals, 01-04 Rams. 8 times Pro Bowl as both corner and safety. 1990s All decade team. 55 interceptions, 9 for TDs.
I would vote for Senior guys and:
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Michael Strahan
Jerome Bettis
Chris Carter
Ogden deserves in, but he can wait a year.
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Modell didn't get in WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
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Modell didn't get in WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
Modell didn't get in WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
And he won't. This was his last chance. His presence will just fade from here. He died this season. Ravens in the Super Bowl. Stars were aligned as well as they could be.
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The voting on who will enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame takes place either today or tomorrow, don't recall which. Here are brief synopses of the 17 Finalists. Two, Culp and Robinson are nominated by the Senior Committee and voted on separately. A maximum of 5 of the other 15 Finalists can make it. A max total of 7 plus the 2 Senior nominees can make it.
LARRY ALLEN OT/0G Sonoma St. 94-05 Cowboys, 06-07 49ers. 7 All Pros, 11 Pro Bowls. NFL All Decade team for the 90s and the 00s.
JEROME BETTIS RB Notre Dame. 93-95 Rams, 96-05 Steelers. Offensive Rookie of year 1995. 13,662 yards is 5th all time. 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros
TIM BROWN WR Notre Dame. 1988-2003 Raiders, 04 Bucs. At retirement was #2 all time in receptions and TD catches. 19,682 kick return yards in addition to being WR. 2 All Pro 9 Pro Bowls
CRIS CARTER WR Ohio State. 87-89 Eagles, 1990-2001 Vikings, 02 Dolphins. #2 all time in receptions and TD catches at retirement. All Decade 1990s. 3 All Pro 8 Pro Bowl
CURLEY CULP DT Arizona St. 1968-1974 Chiefs, 1974-1980 Oilers, 80-81 Lions. Defensive Player of the Year 1975. 1 All Pro 6 Pro Bowl
ED DEBARTOLO, JR. Notre Dame. Majority owner of SF 49ers 1977-2000. Won 5 Super Bowls while owner of 49ers, team appeared in 10 NFC title games. NFL Man of the Year 1989. Directed to divest himself as majority owner due to involvement in political corruption in Louisiana.
KEVIN GREENE DE/LB Auburn. 85-92 Rams, 93-95 Steelers, also played with Panthers and 49ers. 5 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros. 1990s All Decade team. At retirement was #3 in career sacks.
CHARLES HALEY DE/LB James Madison. 1986-1991 49ers. 1992-1996 Cowboys. Only player ever to play on 5 winning Super Bowl teams. 2 time Defensive Player of the Year. 5 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pros
ART MODELL Owner Browns 1961-1995, Ravens 1996-2004. Teams won NFL titles in 1964 and 2000. Served as NFL President and Chairman of Broadcast Committee. Attempted to move Browns, awarded Ravens franchise in lieu. Directed to divest majority ownership of Ravens to avoid bank foreclosure on franchise.
JONATHAN OGDEN OT UCLA 1996-2007 Ravens. 6 All Pro 11 Pro Bowl 2000s All Decade team
BILL PARCELLS Head Coach Colgate/Wichita St. HC of Giants 1983-1990, Patriot 1993-1996, Jets 1997-1999, Cowboys 2003-2006. 172-130-1 regular season record. Turned each team he coached from a losing team to a winning team during his tenure. Won 1986 and 1990 Super Bowls with Giants. Took Patriots to Super Bowl. NFL Coach of the year 1986 and 1994.
ANDRE REED WR Kutztown St. Bills 1985-1999, Redskins 2000. 951 catches 3rd all time at retirement. 9 50+ catch season second all time at retirement. 7 Pro Bowls
DAVE ROBINSON LB Penn St. 1963-1972 Packers, 1973-1974 Redskins. OLB on Packers 3 straight tites in 65-66-67. 3 All Pro 3 Pro Bowl 1960s All Decade team
WARREN SAPP DT Miami, Fla. 1995-2003 Buccaneers, 2004-2007 Raiders Defensive Rookie of the year 1995. 1999 Defensive Player of the year. 96.5 career sacks from interior line. 4 All Pro, 7 Pro Bowl All Decade teams of both 1990s and 2000s
WILL SHIELDS OT Nebraska 1993-2006 Chiefs 12 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pros All Decade team of 2000s
MICHAEL STRAHAN DE Texas Southern 1993-2007 Giants, Holds season and career record for sacks. Defensive POY 2001, 2000s All Decade Team, 5 All Pros 7 Pro Bowls.
AENEAS WILLIAMS CB/Safety. Southern U. 1991-200 Cardinals, 01-04 Rams. 8 times Pro Bowl as both corner and safety. 1990s All decade team. 55 interceptions, 9 for TDs.
I would vote for Senior guys and:
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Michael Strahan
Jerome Bettis
Chris Carter
Ogden deserves in, but he can wait a year.
Zombo said:
I would vote for Senior guys and:
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Michael Strahan
Jerome Bettis
Chris Carter
Ogden deserves in, but he can wait a year.
Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo
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Zombo said:
I would vote for Senior guys and:
Larry Allen
Warren Sapp
Michael Strahan
Jerome Bettis
Chris Carter
Ogden deserves in, but he can wait a year.
Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo
Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo
I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.
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Modell didn't get in WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
And he won't. This was his last chance. His presence will just fade from here. He died this season. Ravens in the Super Bowl. Stars were aligned as well as they could be.
And he (Edit Modell) won't. This was his last chance. His presence will just fade from here. He died this season. Ravens in the Super Bowl. Stars were aligned as well as they could be.
The move aside, I believe it was Peter King who said all of his "accomplishments" would have eventually gotten done with or without Art. And as long as Tony Grossi is alive and well, Art will never get in. The Move overshadows anything else positive he ever did- and then he pretty much got unceremoniously drummed out of the league when after the $50 million Baltimore\Maryland bribe still couldn't keep him financially afloat.
I've always said- the owners\contributors list should be mighty short- like George Halas and maybe a few others. Or have their own wing- like the Baseball HOF does.
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Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo
I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.
I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.
Ogden is the first of three sure-fire Hall of Famers drafted by Ozzie Newsome. Lewis and Ogden were his first two draft picks. got Ed Reed late in the first round. Ray Rice and a few others are headed on a great career path.
Let's pretend he learned it all from Lombardi.
Zombo
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Ogden in. Bettis out, Woo Hoo
I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.
I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.
Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.
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I hate you Ratbirds, but Ogden was very worthy. I just hope the Little Criminal has to cool his heels for a few years like Chris Carter did before he get in.
Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.
Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.
You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?
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Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.
You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?
You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?
OJ was in way before he killed his wife and her friend
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Ray Lewis will be first ballot. But, I agree, him waiting a couple of years wouldn't break my heart. All that glitters is not gold. I love his play for the Ravens, but thats not him in his entirety.
You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?
You're right. O.J.'s in, so why not have another murder?
I didn't go that far. Lewis was not convicted of murder. I don't think he murdered anyone. HOWEVER, I think his shut mouth and "help" kept two murderers out of prison.
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I think I did all right. I predicted Curley Culp and Robinson to get in, and Parcells/Carter/Ogden/Allen/Haley.
Intstead of Haley we got Sapp....OK
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Next year may be a good year for some of those who have been waiting to make it into the HOF.
The list of first time eligibles for next year are highlighted by the following people:
Tony Dungy
Marvin Harrison
Daunte Culpepper
Warrick Dunn
Shawn Alexander
Muhsin Muhammed
As far as I am concerned Harrison is the only one of those that is HOF worthy.
Thus it may be the year for the likes of Strahan, Haley, Bettis, Tim Brown, Andre Reed etc., guys that haven't gotten in.
These guys need to make hay next year because the following year will include first time eligibles Isaac Brucee, Edgerrin James, Walter Jones, Ty Law, Kevin Mawae, Orlando Pace, Junior Seau, Kurt Warner, Jamal Lewis, Rod Smith, Darren Sharpe....a few heavyweight candidates.
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Next year may be a good year for some of those who have been waiting to make it into the HOF.
The list of first time eligibles for next year are highlighted by the following people:
Tony Dungy
Marvin Harrison
Daunte Culpepper
Warrick Dunn
Shawn Alexander
Muhsin Muhammed
As far as I am concerned Harrison is the only one of those that is HOF worthy.
Thus it may be the year for the likes of Strahan, Haley, Bettis, Tim Brown, Andre Reed etc., guys that haven't gotten in.
These guys need to make hay next year because the following year will include first time eligibles Isaac Brucee, Edgerrin James, Walter Jones, Ty Law, Kevin Mawae, Orlando Pace, Junior Seau, Kurt Warner, Jamal Lewis, Rod Smith, Darren Sharpe....a few heavyweight candidates.
Next year may be a good year for some of those who have been waiting to make it into the HOF.
The list of first time eligibles for next year are highlighted by the following people:
Tony Dungy
Marvin Harrison
Daunte Culpepper
Warrick Dunn
Shawn Alexander
Muhsin Muhammed
As far as I am concerned Harrison is the only one of those that is HOF worthy.
Thus it may be the year for the likes of Strahan, Haley, Bettis, Tim Brown, Andre Reed etc., guys that haven't gotten in.
These guys need to make hay next year because the following year will include first time eligibles Isaac Brucee, Edgerrin James, Walter Jones, Ty Law, Kevin Mawae, Orlando Pace, Junior Seau, Kurt Warner, Jamal Lewis, Rod Smith, Darren Sharpe....a few heavyweight candidates.
Ya, none of those guys next year are first ballot worthy, so I think Reed and Brown finally get in, along with Bettis and Strahan and Larry Allen. That would be my five.
Zombo
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