Draft Thoughts 2013
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I'd buy a honey badger jersey all day.
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Hopefully the Browns trade down a little for a team looking to make a move for Fisher or a QB that falls... If they recoup a 3rd, I would love them to take Mathieu with that pick. He probably will not test well, and does not have the best size, but he is just a great playmaker. Mathieu would probably become the best nickel/inside CB after a few seasons.
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Hopefully the Browns trade down a little for a team looking to make a move for Fisher or a QB that falls... If they recoup a 3rd, I would love them to take Mathieu with that pick. He probably will not test well, and does not have the best size, but he is just a great playmaker. Mathieu would probably become the best nickel/inside CB after a few seasons.
Hopefully the Browns trade down a little for a team looking to make a move for Fisher or a QB that falls... If they recoup a 3rd, I would love them to take Mathieu with that pick. He probably will not test well, and does not have the best size, but he is just a great playmaker. Mathieu would probably become the best nickel/inside CB after a few seasons.
Mathieu was a great punt returner and a decent cover guy (in college). I just dont think his skills translate well to the pro game, Id rather get a bigger corner than a tiny one. The best defensive backfield in the NFL was Seattle, mostly because of their length.
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Joe Haden posted this on his instagram last night around 11:45 EST. I found it pretty interesting and strange coming from Joe.
Do you guys think he's trying to suggest something in the upcoming 2013 draft with this picture, and caption reading "SEC boys!"
Joe Haden posted this on his instagram last night around 11:45 EST. I found it pretty interesting and strange coming from Joe.
Do you guys think he's trying to suggest something in the upcoming 2013 draft with this picture, and caption reading "SEC boys!"
I'll reserve judgement till he works out at the combine.
There have already been a few teams looking at him.. i think the redskins and jets and a couple others.
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I would not hate if the Browns traded down no further then 15-20, to get an extra 2nd. With that second take a flyer on Tyler Wilson.
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I would not hate if the Browns traded down no further then 15-20, to get an extra 2nd. With that second take a flyer on Tyler Wilson.
I would not hate if the Browns traded down no further then 15-20, to get an extra 2nd. With that second take a flyer on Tyler Wilson.
Tyler Wilson will not be there. I guarantee you that he goes first round, if not teams will be jockying to trade to the top of the second to take him during the night between
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Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
Why would the Rams get "antsy" with Bradford? he's put up similar stats to Flacco, Eli, Brees, Brady and etc did early in their careers. Shoot he put up close to Eli, Flacco numbers this year. He probably won't ever be Brady/Manning/Rogers but he's a damn good young QB.
2012 numbers Com% yards TD INT rating
Joe Flacco 60 3,817 22 10 87
Sam Bradford 60 3,702 22 13 83
and that was without one of the best rb's in the league and with a receiving corps that isn't even in the same universe.
I mean come on they passed on RGIII last year because of their faith in Bradford. He goes out and has a very solid year but now they are going to trade two firsts to get QB's who probably shouldn't even be top ten picks, aren't half the prospect RGIII was and not even that close to as good a prospect as Bradford was.
Listen we'd all love to have someone hand us two firsts but there's a reason how I've seen fans from nearly every top ten team trying to mock the Rams trading their two firsts to their teams. The top talent in this draft just doesn't stack up. It just sucks for us, and them, that the Rams needs lie at WR, G/C, OLB and safety. All positions they can easily fill at 16 and 22.
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This spinal stenosis affecting his draft stock is bullshit. Many players had, and played, with spinal stenosis.
Jones will be a top 10 pick, hopefully the sixth pick.
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Rams are a possibility to trade up ahead of Arizona to grab Fisher/Joeckel (If Fisher goes ahead of him). If the Rams resign Amendola, they won't have an immediate need for a WR (they did draft Quick and Givens early last year, with Givens producing as a deep threat)
I fully expect the Rams to trade into the Top 10, hopefully it is with us. Looking at a value chart the Browns would probably have to swap picks in the third and give up a fifth... It depends on how much the Rams will be willing to give up while trading up. But I'd be fine with losing a few spots in the third and a mid rounder to get two firsts.
My new dream mock:
16) Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon
- Seems to be slipping a little bit due an injury concerns. A perfect player to have opposite a rush backer like Sheard; he is a jack of all trades.
22) Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
- A big corner with a knack for making plays. His timed speed will cause him to either rise or drop.
78) Justin Pugh, OG, Syracuse
- Pugh has versatility, and as scouts pointed out during the Senior Bowl, he needs to move inside as a guard. Could fill in at tackle if there are some injuries, but combining him with Thomas would be great, reminding fans of the short Steinbach/Thomas era. He used to be a 2nd round prospect as a left tackle, but since he'll probably be moving to guard, the Browns will probably get a chance at him in the 3rd.
101) Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
- Sims is a tight end who, in addition to having a huge frame, can be a player in the running game and the passing game. He would compliment Cameron well.
165) Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech
- David has a massive frame with great athleticism. He would pair well with Little on the underneath routes, while Gordon and Benjamin would be deep threats.
196) Rontez Miles, FS, Califronia (PA)
- I'm still hoping that the front office takes a chance on this guy. He has size, intensity, and consistently looked like the best athlete on the field (as he should, being an NFL prospect in D2). Worth a 7th round pick.
With this draft and the surplus of cap space, I'd expect the Browns to round out the roster adding free agents at the 3-4 DE position like Mike Devito or Ricky Jean Francois, CB position like Greg Toler, and P in Dustin Colquitt. Maybe make a splash with Jairus Byrd or Anthony Spencer.
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Rams are a possibility to trade up ahead of Arizona to grab Fisher/Joeckel (If Fisher goes ahead of him). If the Rams resign Amendola, they won't have an immediate need for a WR (they did draft Quick and Givens early last year, with Givens producing as a deep threat)
I fully expect the Rams to trade into the Top 10, hopefully it is with us. Looking at a value chart the Browns would probably have to swap picks in the third and give up a fifth... It depends on how much the Rams will be willing to give up while trading up. But I'd be fine with losing a few spots in the third and a mid rounder to get two firsts.
My new dream mock:
16) Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon
- Seems to be slipping a little bit due an injury concerns. A perfect player to have opposite a rush backer like Sheard; he is a jack of all trades.
22) Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
- A big corner with a knack for making plays. His timed speed will cause him to either rise or drop.
78) Justin Pugh, OG, Syracuse
- Pugh has versatility, and as scouts pointed out during the Senior Bowl, he needs to move inside as a guard. Could fill in at tackle if there are some injuries, but combining him with Thomas would be great, reminding fans of the short Steinbach/Thomas era. He used to be a 2nd round prospect as a left tackle, but since he'll probably be moving to guard, the Browns will probably get a chance at him in the 3rd.
101) Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
- Sims is a tight end who, in addition to having a huge frame, can be a player in the running game and the passing game. He would compliment Cameron well.
165) Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech
- David has a massive frame with great athleticism. He would pair well with Little on the underneath routes, while Gordon and Benjamin would be deep threats.
196) Rontez Miles, FS, Califronia (PA)
- I'm still hoping that the front office takes a chance on this guy. He has size, intensity, and consistently looked like the best athlete on the field (as he should, being an NFL prospect in D2). Worth a 7th round pick.
With this draft and the surplus of cap space, I'd expect the Browns to round out the roster adding free agents at the 3-4 DE position like Mike Devito or Ricky Jean Francois, CB position like Greg Toler, and P in Dustin Colquitt. Maybe make a splash with Jairus Byrd or Anthony Spencer.
Rams are a possibility to trade up ahead of Arizona to grab Fisher/Joeckel (If Fisher goes ahead of him). If the Rams resign Amendola, they won't have an immediate need for a WR (they did draft Quick and Givens early last year, with Givens producing as a deep threat)
I fully expect the Rams to trade into the Top 10, hopefully it is with us. Looking at a value chart the Browns would probably have to swap picks in the third and give up a fifth... It depends on how much the Rams will be willing to give up while trading up. But I'd be fine with losing a few spots in the third and a mid rounder to get two firsts.
My new dream mock:
16) Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon
- Seems to be slipping a little bit due an injury concerns. A perfect player to have opposite a rush backer like Sheard; he is a jack of all trades.
22) Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
- A big corner with a knack for making plays. His timed speed will cause him to either rise or drop.
78) Justin Pugh, OG, Syracuse
- Pugh has versatility, and as scouts pointed out during the Senior Bowl, he needs to move inside as a guard. Could fill in at tackle if there are some injuries, but combining him with Thomas would be great, reminding fans of the short Steinbach/Thomas era. He used to be a 2nd round prospect as a left tackle, but since he'll probably be moving to guard, the Browns will probably get a chance at him in the 3rd.
101) Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
- Sims is a tight end who, in addition to having a huge frame, can be a player in the running game and the passing game. He would compliment Cameron well.
165) Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech
- David has a massive frame with great athleticism. He would pair well with Little on the underneath routes, while Gordon and Benjamin would be deep threats.
196) Rontez Miles, FS, Califronia (PA)
- I'm still hoping that the front office takes a chance on this guy. He has size, intensity, and consistently looked like the best athlete on the field (as he should, being an NFL prospect in D2). Worth a 7th round pick.
With this draft and the surplus of cap space, I'd expect the Browns to round out the roster adding free agents at the 3-4 DE position like Mike Devito or Ricky Jean Francois, CB position like Greg Toler, and P in Dustin Colquitt. Maybe make a splash with Jairus Byrd or Anthony Spencer.
The Rams aren't trading up. it conflicts with literally everything Fisher and Snead believe in. Also yes they will still have a huge need at WR as they have no #1 receiver. You're basically suggesting they give up two firsts, plus more, to draft a player at a position they are already very strong at.
the Rams have one of the best lt's in the league. Saffold doesn't get much if any credit for media types but Profootballfocus rated him the best pass blocking LT in the entire league over the last half of the season. If Saffold was on a high profile team no one would be forecasting the Rams drafting a LT.
It just makes no sense for them to trade up, pass on filling real needs so they can get a QB or LT when they have two very good young players at those positions.
I know everyone would love to get their hands on those picks but it's not happening. People are basically inventing weaknesses on the Rams so they can convince themselves the Rams are going to trade up.
It's kind of hilarious honestly. The Rams have a woeful interior line and one of the worst receiving corps in the league but they are going to decide to pass on filling both those needs to draft over one of the best young LT's in the league? LIke I said it's a pipe dream that only makes sense if you know nothing about the Rams roster and are trying to convince yourself that the Rams make a bad move all to help the Browns.
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why when people talk about trading down they sell ourselves Short. you trade down from 6 you better get a number 1 next year. getting only a second round draft in for number 1 draft pick is old school browns bullshit.
why when people talk about trading down they sell ourselves Short. you trade down from 6 you better get a number 1 next year. getting only a second round draft in for number 1 draft pick is old school browns bullshit.
problem is there isn't much interest from anyone to trade up this year. These draft lacks the elite difference makers that most drafts have and the only team who has multiple firsts is the Rams. who I've explained why it makes no sense for them to trade up.
The truth is we will probably be better off standing pat or be happy with a first this year and next because the Rams aren't a fit.
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why when people talk about trading down they sell ourselves Short. you trade down from 6 you better get a number 1 next year. getting only a second round draft in for number 1 draft pick is old school browns bullshit.
problem is there isn't much interest from anyone to trade up this year. These draft lacks the elite difference makers that most drafts have and the only team who has multiple firsts is the Rams. who I've explained why it makes no sense for them to trade up.
The truth is we will probably be better off standing pat or be happy with a first this year and next because the Rams aren't a fit.
problem is there isn't much interest from anyone to trade up this year. These draft lacks the elite difference makers that most drafts have and the only team who has multiple firsts is the Rams. who I've explained why it makes no sense for them to trade up.
The truth is we will probably be better off standing pat or be happy with a first this year and next because the Rams aren't a fit.
If we do trade down, 1st this year and a 1st next year would be the best option, as if were going mainly with Weeden this year, the choices coming out at QB next year are better if Weeden doesn't make the improvement front office hopes.
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Mike Mayock's top-five ranks include early surprises
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By Chris Wesseling
Around the League Writer
Published: Feb. 15, 2013 at 10:06 p.m. Updated: Feb. 16, 2013 at 07:38 p.m.
NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock has released his eagerly awaited top-five prospect lists for each position. The quarterback list reflects Mayock's sentiment that it's a confusing year for signal-callers. The major takeaway, however, is that the script has been flipped on the defensive stars at tackle, outside linebacker and insider linebacker.
Mayock's prospect rankings
NFL Network draft expert Mike Mayock has unveiled his initial position-by-position rankings of the 2013 NFL Draft prospects. See which players made the cut. More ...
Let's take a look at the noteworthy rankings:
» Quarterback:
Regarded by most analysts as the only surefire first-round pick, Geno Smith is no surprise at the top. Mayock isn't willing to "pound the table" for the West Virginia star, but appreciates his arm, release, and athleticism. Matt Barkley is a mild surprise in the second spot, though Mayock believes he can make every throw. Syracuse's Ryan Nassib is viewed as a Andy Dalton-level talent.
» Running back:
Alabama power back Eddie Lacy continues to pick up momentum on the heels of his dominant performances in the SEC title game and the BCS National Championship Game. He's emerging as the clear No. 1 back with a chance to go in the top 20 picks. Giovani Bernard's relatively low ranking implies a belief that explosive scat back out of North Carolina will be limited to a complementary role in the NFL. South Carolina's Marcus Lattimore remains the wild card at the No. 5 spot.
It's no surprise that Cordarrelle Patterson tops the list, as Mayock has stated that his jaw dropped when he put on the Tennessee film and saw the game-breaking wideout making plays all over the field.
» Defensive tackle:
While Utah's Star Lotulelei has been the consensus top prospect, both Mayock and NFL.com's Bucky Brooks have him ranked second at the position. Mayock prefers the fast-rising Sharrif Floyd from Florida while Brooks likes Missouri's Sheldon Richardson.
» Outside linebacker:
Mayock has called Oregon's Dion Jordan a potential "monster" at 6-foot-7 with the ability to play outside linebacker or defensive end. As we draw closer to the draft, we suspect other analysts will take Mayock's lead in ranking him above the more popular Jarvis Jones from Georgia.
any one watch this guy at all this year? seems intriguing to me.
» Inside linebacker:
Mayock has acknowledged Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o's disappointing performance against Alabama in the national championship game, but he still believes his overall body of work merits a first-round selection. Georgia's Alec Ogletree likely is getting the edge due to his superior speed and athleticism, as he flies to the ball like a safety.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1631835
01/03/2013 - PLAYERS TO WATCH: LB Dion Jordan earned first-team, all-Pac-12 honors for the second year in a row. The 6-foot-7, 243-pound senior began his career at tight end before moving to defense as a sophomore and now he is a likely first-round pick in the NFL Draft. Jordan is one of five finalists for the Butkus Award, given to the top linebacker in the country. He has 44 tackles, including 10.5 for loss and five sacks. - The Sports Xchange
Overview
Jordan signed with Oregon as a highly regarded prep tight end and only made the switch to the defensive side of the ball in the spring of 2010.
As a reserve defensive end for the Ducks in 2010 Jordan registered 33 tackles, including 5.5 tackles for loss and two sacks.
To take advantage of his unique combination of burst off the snap and length, Oregon created a hybrid role for Jordan in 2011, lining him up as a stand-up pass rusher and moving him around to find favorable matchups. Demonstrating surprising fluidity for such a tall player, Jordan exploded for 13 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks, each of which led the team, earning First Team all-conference honors from Pac-12 coaches.
In 2012, Jordan showcased his versatility to the nation against Arizona State, lining up on the line of scrimmage as a stand-up defensive end, in the box as a linebacker or in the slot, covering inside receivers. Yes - in the slot on receivers, a spot usually reserved for defensive backs.
Rarely asked to play with his hand in the dirt as a traditional defensive end, Oregon helped protect Jordan as a run-defender as he lacks the bulk to consistently set the edge against 300 pound behemoths. Jordan's long arms and vision, however, allow him to disengage from most blockers quickly and he plays with a high-revving motor, often pursuing the ball-carrier yards downfield.
Jordan's extraordinary physical tools will likely land him in the first round, now the question is how high?
Analysis
Strengths: Rare athleticism for his size with loose hips and smooth footwork to move naturally in any direction. Looks like a basketball small forward in football pads with his tall, long frame and flexible joints, looking comfortable in space.
Fluid change of direction skills in his transition, quickly redirecting. Very good first step with natural bend and closing burst off the edge to flatten to the quarterback. Active and doesn't quit. Uses his length well with violent hand use, using quick mitts to make it tough for blockers to combat them.
Physical striker to separate man from ball with the arms to easily wrap and finish. Fiery demeanor and has a good head on his shoulders. Good awareness and experience lining up all over the defenses' front-7, even spending time covering the slot receiver and dropping in coverage. Still growing and sky is the limit with his athletic potential.
Weaknesses: Lean and lanky body type. Needs to add bulk to his frame and get stronger, but there are questions about how much weight he can add to his body. Lacks dominant upper body power to win with his hands. Still learning his pass rush moves and needs to develop in this area.
Needs to stay controlled, often overrunning the pocket or his intended target. Lacks experience putting his hand on the ground and rushing from a 3-point stance. Lacks a natural position and will be viewed as a defensive end by some and a strong-side linebacker by others.
Still raw in a lot of areas and will need time to grow at the next level. Strong durability concerns with various injuries over his career, notably a tender right shoulder that plagued him much of 2012. Only average production at Oregon with just 14.5 career sacks
Compares to: Chandler Jones, DE, New England Patriots - Although Jones is stronger and a bit more polished at this point in his development, scouts see that type of potential for Jordan plus he brings much more position versatility and upside.
--Dane Brugler
I watched a couple videos of this guy and he is no doubt a beast, with his height and athleticism he would be highly useful coming around the edge and running with the new breed of TE's coming out these days.
The one thing I noticed is he needs to learn to play smaller in certain situations almost taking himself out of the play because some one got underneath him and drove him out of the way. With that being said a few extra pounds and better technique he could be a great player.
this website has him going first round- 15th overall to the saints or 30th to the falcons.
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Potential safety prospect for the Browns in the 2013 NFL Draft?
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Potential DE prospect for Browns in 2013 NFL Draft?
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The good thing for us is as long as we don't try and be too smart and start reaching for potential diamonds in the rough, we can't loose.
There are plenty of highly rated players coming out of this draft in our defensive positions of need. Whether we trade down slightly or pick at 6, we should be able to get people in who will greatly improve our pass rushing right from the start.
Like i said, my only worry is the FO pick someone nobody is expecting simply to prove they are smarter than everyone else.
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