Browns Will Entertain Trade Offers
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That's all well and good, but go back and watch Colt's long passes. Colt's 56 yard pass was impressive but he still heavily underthrew Massaquoi, who had his man beat and was streaking down the sideline but had to turn around and backpedal to make the catch. With Weeden's arm, that would have been an easy TD. Same goes for the TD pass to Ben Watson earlier in that game. Ben Watson had his man beat and was behind the safety, and Colt's pass took so long to get there that the corner had time to close the gap and almost make a play on the ball.
As for being "better", if you're going by completion percentage I guess you could say that. But to only take two shots down the field in an entire season is hardly the best sample size to judge from. The guy had to be wide open for McCoy to take a shot, and even then he still underthrew him. That doesn't make a guy better, in my book.
Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
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Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
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It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
With all the needs on just the defensive side of the ball taking a qb anywhere before the last pick would be a waste, and even then it is. The qb class this year sucks, stock up on what the draft is loaded with, defensive talent.
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Unless by the wildest stretch of the imagination Joe Flacco actually does hit the FA market, there is absofuckinglutely nothing out there in the Draft of the FA market that is an upgrade over BW3. And I include in that Alex Smith.
If Chud liked Weeden he would have said so by now. Weeds is probably gonzo. Even if he stays he'd just be backing up DA anyway.
If Chud liked Weeden he would have said so by now. Weeds is probably gonzo. Even if he stays he'd just be backing up DA anyway.
I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
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If Chud liked Weeden he would have said so by now. Weeds is probably gonzo. Even if he stays he'd just be backing up DA anyway.
I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
Not surprised if they keep Weedz but it'll be interesting right off the bat to see who gets to wear the number 3.
And if they can't get DA they'll probably get Matt Moore, who I am also pretty familiar with.
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Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
With all the needs on just the defensive side of the ball taking a qb anywhere before the last pick would be a waste, and even then it is. The qb class this year sucks, stock up on what the draft is loaded with, defensive talent.
With all the needs on just the defensive side of the ball taking a qb anywhere before the last pick would be a waste, and even then it is. The qb class this year sucks, stock up on what the draft is loaded with, defensive talent.
^this. 1000%.
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I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
Not surprised if they keep Weedz but it'll be interesting right off the bat to see who gets to wear the number 3.
And if they can't get DA they'll probably get Matt Moore, who I am also pretty familiar with.
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I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
Not surprised if they keep Weedz but it'll be interesting right off the bat to see who gets to wear the number 3.
And if they can't get DA they'll probably get Matt Moore, who I am also pretty familiar with.
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Guys, please stop with the McCoy weak arm BS. You all are smart enough to know he wouldn't even be in the Arena League if he had a weak arm. If you don't like him- fine. But come up with a different reason. The weak arm stuff is just lame.
Guys, please stop with the McCoy weak arm BS. You all are smart enough to know he wouldn't even be in the Arena League if he had a weak arm. If you don't like him- fine. But come up with a different reason. The weak arm stuff is just lame.
OK, McCoy definitely has a better arm than Ken Dorsey did. Happy?
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I just can't see McCoy being the type of QB our HC is looking for and you could even argue he was a better fit for the lawsuit the last bunch wanted to play the game.
Weeden may never be the QB to take us forward but I still think he is more the type of player they are looking for and I'd personally give him one more season to sink or swim.
Surely given the players in this draft and our obvious need, we have to take a pass rusher with our first pick and try to bring in secondary help through FA. I'm no expert and don't get to see college football over here but reading what's been said, the talent this year is on defence rather than QB.
I completely agree. I'd give Weeden one more year with a HC and OC willing to work with the talents that he has rather than trying to force him into the coachs system. The draft isn't great for QB's this year anyways, build the defense this year. If Weeden sucks next year, move on for the 2014 season.
I completely agree. I'd give Weeden one more year with a HC and OC willing to work with the talents that he has rather than trying to force him into the coachs system. The draft isn't great for QB's this year anyways, build the defense this year. If Weeden sucks next year, move on for the 2014 season.
I agree. It doesn't make sense to just give up on the guy after 1 season. Heck, Chuck Frye got more than that.
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I believe they are going with Weeden for 2013, Going to diffinately pick up a QB, To strengthen that position up.
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I believe they are going with Weeden for 2013, Going to diffinately pick up a QB, To strengthen that position up.
I believe they are going with Weeden for 2013, Going to diffinately pick up a QB, To strengthen that position up.
If we could trade down and get a second, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing us go for EJ Manuel.
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Guys, please stop with the McCoy weak arm BS. You all are smart enough to know he wouldn't even be in the Arena League if he had a weak arm. If you don't like him- fine. But come up with a different reason. The weak arm stuff is just lame.
Guys, please stop with the McCoy weak arm BS. You all are smart enough to know he wouldn't even be in the Arena League if he had a weak arm. If you don't like him- fine. But come up with a different reason. The weak arm stuff is just lame.
His arm is considered weak for NFL starter standards. He has plenty of zip for arena league and his other assets make him a viable NFL backup.
Scouts have repeatedly remarked that he lacks preferred NFL arm strength, and there are many lists out there, by non-Browns fans, that list him at, or near, the bottom of the rankings of NFL QB's arms.
Plus ... we've all seen him play.
Now if you want argue that he is capable of having a good career as an NFL starter despite his arm strength then, sure, guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton don't have cannons, and there is everybody's favorite example, Chad Pennington.
But if you want to say that his arm strength is on par for the average NFL starter ... you are floating down De Nile.
Zombo
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Guys, please stop with the McCoy weak arm BS. You all are smart enough to know he wouldn't even be in the Arena League if he had a weak arm. If you don't like him- fine. But come up with a different reason. The weak arm stuff is just lame.
His arm is considered weak for NFL starter standards. He has plenty of zip for arena league and his other assets make him a viable NFL backup.
Scouts have repeatedly remarked that he lacks preferred NFL arm strength, and there are many lists out there, by non-Browns fans, that list him at, or near, the bottom of the rankings of NFL QB's arms.
Plus ... we've all seen him play.
Now if you want argue that he is capable of having a good career as an NFL starter despite his arm strength then, sure, guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton don't have cannons, and there is everybody's favorite example, Chad Pennington.
But if you want to say that his arm strength is on par for the average NFL starter ... you are floating down De Nile.
Zombo
Zombo said:
His arm is considered weak for NFL starter standards. He has plenty of zip for arena league and his other assets make him a viable NFL backup.
Scouts have repeatedly remarked that he lacks preferred NFL arm strength, and there are many lists out there, by non-Browns fans, that list him at, or near, the bottom of the rankings of NFL QB's arms.
Plus ... we've all seen him play.
Now if you want argue that he is capable of having a good career as an NFL starter despite his arm strength then, sure, guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton don't have cannons, and there is everybody's favorite example, Chud Pennington.
But if you want to say that his arm strength is on par for the average NFL starter ... you are floating down De Nile.
Zombo
There have been successful QBs who have not had tremendous arm strength....see the aforementioned Chud Pennington...and Joe Montana ...and our own Brian Sipe. The problem is that a player without the arm strength leaves no margin for error. Colt's precision has been nowhere near that of those other guys so it appears that he falls short.
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Zombo said:
His arm is considered weak for NFL starter standards. He has plenty of zip for arena league and his other assets make him a viable NFL backup.
Scouts have repeatedly remarked that he lacks preferred NFL arm strength, and there are many lists out there, by non-Browns fans, that list him at, or near, the bottom of the rankings of NFL QB's arms.
Plus ... we've all seen him play.
Now if you want argue that he is capable of having a good career as an NFL starter despite his arm strength then, sure, guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andy Dalton don't have cannons, and there is everybody's favorite example, Chud Pennington.
But if you want to say that his arm strength is on par for the average NFL starter ... you are floating down De Nile.
Zombo
There have been successful QBs who have not had tremendous arm strength....see the aforementioned Chud Pennington...and Joe Montana ...and our own Brian Sipe. The problem is that a player without the arm strength leaves no margin for error. Colt's precision has been nowhere near that of those other guys so it appears that he falls short.
The problem is that a player without the arm strength leaves no margin for error.
Exactly. He's got to be smart and very, very accurate.
If they got a big arm, a la Joe Flacco ... then you are more patient with their mistakes because of the upside.
Which is why I think Chud will give Weeds every opportunity to win the job, they want a gun in the Norv offense.
If mcCoy was going to succeed, it would have been in Shurmur's WCO, but he wasn't accurate enough, we all saw that the last half of 2011.
Weeden really disappointed in the last half of 2012 ... but he'll get another chance because he does indeed have an NFL elite gun.
Zombo
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The problem is that a player without the arm strength leaves no margin for error.
Exactly. He's got to be smart and very, very accurate.
If they got a big arm, a la Joe Flacco ... then you are more patient with their mistakes because of the upside.
Which is why I think Chud will give Weeds every opportunity to win the job, they want a gun in the Norv offense.
If mcCoy was going to succeed, it would have been in Shurmur's WCO, but he wasn't accurate enough, we all saw that the last half of 2011.
Weeden really disappointed in the last half of 2012 ... but he'll get another chance because he does indeed have an NFL elite gun.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Exactly. He's got to be smart and very, very accurate.
If they got a big arm, a la Joe Flacco ... then you are more patient with their mistakes because of the upside.
Which is why I think Chud will give Weeds every opportunity to win the job, they want a gun in the Norv offense.
If mcCoy was going to succeed, it would have been in Shurmur's WCO, but he wasn't accurate enough, we all saw that the last half of 2011.
Weeden really disappointed in the last half of 2012 ... but he'll get another chance because he does indeed have an NFL elite gun.
Zombo
Interesting read on Weeden today.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- NFL Network's Steve Wyche said running back Trent Richardson told him today that he really likes quarterback Brandon Weeden, but that Weeden struggled to read defenses at times last season, and that the Browns had to dial down their offense because of it.
The brief off-camera chat with Wyche came in the break just after Richardson was interviewed on NFL AM from the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.
Wyche said Richardson first told him how excited he is to work with new offensive coordinator Norv Turner, because Turner likes to feature his backs, such as LaDainian Tomlinson.
"He also told me a little bit more about Brandon Weeden,'' Wyche told co-host Mark Kriegel. "He said as a rookie, (Weeden) really had trouble reading defenses from time to time and they had to skew their offense a little bit, sometimes somewhat predictable. (He) thinks things are going to open up a little bit, but he really does like Brandon Weeden.''
During the on-camera interview, Richardson predicted Weeden will be the starter in 2013.
"I think he'll be my quarterback,'' Richardson said. "We can't put too much on Brandon, especially as a rookie. ... We want to make sure he believes, he knows he's going to be our quarterback. When it comes to stuff like that, we've just all got to be behind him.''
Also on-camera, Richardson gave himself a C-plus for his rookie season, in which he rushed for 950 yards and 11 TDs and caught 51 passes for 367 yards and a TD.
"For most people, they say I had a great season, but I think it was OK,'' he said. "I probably say it was a C-plus, something like that. But for me man, I expect more than that. I had 950 rushing, but I did have like 450 in receiving. It's different when it comes to receiving and you lead the team in receptions (actually second) and stuff like that. When you're doing a lot and from playing with broken ribs and having knee surgery before the season, it's big.''
He acknowledged he was never healthy last season.
"The time I was getting healthy, I break a rib and that kind of damaged my mind a little bit,'' he said. "I was like, man, 'I'm just now getting back right and getting my balance on and being able to cut right and stuff like because my first week back (after a preseason scope), I started running Wednesday or Thursday and played on Sunday.''
Richardson said coach Rob Chudzinski has called on him to lead the team in 2013.
"He's telling me he's going to put a big bunch on my back, and he expects me to run on with it,'' Richardson said. "I told him, 'coach, I'm going to be in the best shape you know I can be and if you want me to be a leader this year, I'll be a team captain, a leader, whatever it takes to be that guy.''
He said he has his sights on the playoffs this season.
"For the most part, I'm pretty sure that we're going to be a playoff team,'' he said. "I expect it. We are hoping, and we are knowing that we are going to be there next year.''
Richardson was not immediately available for comment. The Plain Dealer has left messages with the Browns media relations department in an effort to reach Richardson.
I like Weeden. I like his skill set and I like his intangibles. He's got the right tools to do very well in Chud's offense.
But this report is disconcerting. I understand it was his rookie year, but to hear that they had to dumb down an offense that was already pretty dumbed down isn't the best news.
This draft is tricky, tricky, tricky. I'd really like us to stay at home and take Jones or Jordan at #6, but I would also like to see us trade back and pick up another pick or two and try and land EJ Manuel in the second.
He would be a great project QB to sit behind Weeden for two years and learn from Norv.
But we're not necessarily in the position to be able to do that. Taking a project QB is a luxury, not a necessity.
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reading that report makes me think of DA.
Me too, that's what scares me. You can have all the physical tools in the world, but if you can't recognize what the defense is doing then it won't matter.
I just hope that's not the case, and that he was just experiencing the rookie learning curve.
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reading that report makes me think of DA.
Not necessarily Mik. Another team dumbed down the offense a hell of a lot for a rookie in his first year- Rothlisberger.
Also, Weeden doesn't strike me as being that stupid, plus his attitude is way better than DA's ever was. Weeden couldn't read the defense, or was it Shur-loss' running such a predictable offense, the other team knew what was coming before the ball was snapped?
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