Should We Consider The Honey Badger?
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Probably wouldn't happen with Benjamin on the roster. Benajmin runs the 40 a full 2 tenths of a second faster than Mathieu.
The great thing about Cribbs, and almost all of the great kick returners of all-time (although not Metcalf)were that were dedicated special teamers who were just part time role players.
I think we have plans to use Benjamin as a wide receiver. Put him back for the occasional punt return when the game is on the line, but don't get him killed playing special teams full time.
Either re-sign Cribbs or bring in another guy for the kick returner role, I think Benjamin has a real future as a wide receiver.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The great thing about Cribbs, and almost all of the great kick returners of all-time (although not Metcalf)were that were dedicated special teamers who were just part time role players.
I think we have plans to use Benjamin as a wide receiver. Put him back for the occasional punt return when the game is on the line, but don't get him killed playing special teams full time.
Either re-sign Cribbs or bring in another guy for the kick returner role, I think Benjamin has a real future as a wide receiver.
Zombo
That's where I disagree, I think he's a full time special teamer and a part time offensive weapon in the eyes of Chud and co. Reports are that they're looking for a WR to bring in, which would move Benjamin to 4th WR in an offense that utilizes a 2 TE set. So, in effect, he would rarely be used.
If they don't bring in a WR, then I feel his chances are much greater to be a part of the offense.
i think benjamin is a burner and i like how he spreads the field but i don't remember much of him in the return game. don't know if he has the field vidion like a cribbs or a hester who knows when to burst through the first line and then make that one cut that frees him with the speed.
hey, we'll see. when i mentioned metcalf it was more about the size comparison to mathieu, and what i saw of him in that bama game.
I don't remember hearing his name much, but I think that's because Cribbs was used more often than not.
I do remember this though:
He holds the record for longest punt return in Browns history already. Having both Mathieu and Benjamin back there on kickoffs would really open up some options.
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Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
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Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
Some guys ... Honey badger, Te'o, Colt McCoy ... dominate at the college level because they are great football players, but just lack the God-given speed, size or strength to be elite NFL players.
Just like I can be a successful real estate Broker in Naples, FL, but I'd probably get chewed up on Manhattan. Everybody has their level.
Not saying these guys can't have a worthy career in the NFL ... but they won't be the stars they were in college.
Zombo
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Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
Some guys ... Honey badger, Te'o, Colt McCoy ... dominate at the college level because they are great football players, but just lack the God-given speed, size or strength to be elite NFL players.
Just like I can be a successful real estate Broker in Naples, FL, but I'd probably get chewed up on Manhattan. Everybody has their level.
Not saying these guys can't have a worthy career in the NFL ... but they won't be the stars they were in college.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Some guys ... Honey badger, Te'o, Colt McCoy ... dominate at the college level because they are great football players, but just lack the God-given speed, size or strength to be elite NFL players.
Just like I can be a successful real estate Broker in Naples, FL, but I'd probably get chewed up on Manhattan. Everybody has their level.
Not saying these guys can't have a worthy career in the NFL ... but they won't be the stars they were in college.
Zombo
I dunno, I think you could do quite well in Kansas.
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I am glad you posted this question. If the Browns do their research based on his play and determine that he is a first round talent with off the field issues then I would say absolutely take him if he is there in the third. If we don't you know the Bengals will and he will shut us down twice per year. I was sitting yesterday thinking about this very question and thinking that the Browns have had this problem for a long time. Every year you hear about teams taking players who's stock has dropped for various reasons and they end up with a steal. The Bengals got one last year with Burfict. When was the last time we actually took a gamble. We keep saying we need more playmakers. More top caliber athletic talent. This is how you get better talent. Taking educated risks gets you talent. The Ravens do it, the Bengals do it, Raiders do it poorly, lol.....But I believe we need to do more of this if we really want to reach the next level. I want 1st round athletic talent in the 3rd, 2nd round talent in the 4th etc.... if one of them pans out we have one star which we wouldn't likely have in the talent level of a third or fourth rounder. And if we hit on both wow!
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Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
Some guys ... Honey badger, Te'o, Colt McCoy ... dominate at the college level because they are great football players, but just lack the God-given speed, size or strength to be elite NFL players.
Just like I can be a successful real estate Broker in Naples, FL, but I'd probably get chewed up on Manhattan. Everybody has their level.
Not saying these guys can't have a worthy career in the NFL ... but they won't be the stars they were in college.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Just like I can be a successful real estate Broker in Naples, FL, but I'd probably get chewed up on Manhattan.
Zombo
from what i've heard the real estate magnets still have to service as drug dealers to their clientele (same as FLA) so you could do quite well.
I am glad you posted this question. If the Browns do their research based on his play and determine that he is a first round talent with off the field issues then I would say absolutely take him if he is there in the third. If we don't you know the Bengals will and he will shut us down twice per year. I was sitting yesterday thinking about this very question and thinking that the Browns have had this problem for a long time. Every year you hear about teams taking players who's stock has dropped for various reasons and they end up with a steal. The Bengals got one last year with Burfict. When was the last time we actually took a gamble. We keep saying we need more playmakers. More top caliber athletic talent. This is how you get better talent. Taking educated risks gets you talent. The Ravens do it, the Bengals do it, Raiders do it poorly, lol.....But I believe we need to do more of this if we really want to reach the next level. I want 1st round athletic talent in the 3rd, 2nd round talent in the 4th etc.... if one of them pans out we have one star which we wouldn't likely have in the talent level of a third or fourth rounder. And if we hit on both wow!
i would absolutely take him in the 3rd if he's still there and we hadn't already addressed the position.
it is a gamble, all of it. but if you ain't in, you can't win it.
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I would definately take a chance on him before I would take a chance on TEO. Maybe I am crazy but if you have a fake girlfriend that is way worse than smoking some weed.
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Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
Don't badger me about the 'Badger anymore. 5' 9", bulked up to impress the scouts (185). Ran a so-so 40 (4.5). At that height, he had better be able to jump out of the building, and he didn't 34" vertical. Wimpy 4 reps in the bench press.
Guys like AJ Green will out jump him by a foot, or shove him into the first row seats.
Looks like a player tailor made for the Bengals or Raiders- in the third round.
I don't get it. Some folks actually WANT this guy in the third round? I agree with you, I think he'll get burnt by speedy wideouts & it's "no contest" against the tall and/or physical WRs in the NFL. Oh, did I forget his character issues? I wouldn't touch this kid with a 10' pole. My personal opinion of him is MAJOR BUST, but we'll see. I'm certainly not a Pro GM, Scout, or Coach. Just another opinionated Fan.
Mike
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I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
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I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
OK Tim. The guy was great? @ LSU. Has average ups, and if his bench press is any indication, not particularly physical. In the NFL, he's going to be routinely matched up against guys who are 20 pounds heavier, and 4"-5" taller- are you telling me that shouldn't be a concern, character issues aside?
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I am glad you posted this question. If the Browns do their research based on his play and determine that he is a first round talent with off the field issues then I would say absolutely take him if he is there in the third. If we don't you know the Bengals will and he will shut us down twice per year. I was sitting yesterday thinking about this very question and thinking that the Browns have had this problem for a long time. Every year you hear about teams taking players who's stock has dropped for various reasons and they end up with a steal. The Bengals got one last year with Burfict. When was the last time we actually took a gamble. We keep saying we need more playmakers. More top caliber athletic talent. This is how you get better talent. Taking educated risks gets you talent. The Ravens do it, the Bengals do it, Raiders do it poorly, lol.....But I believe we need to do more of this if we really want to reach the next level. I want 1st round athletic talent in the 3rd, 2nd round talent in the 4th etc.... if one of them pans out we have one star which we wouldn't likely have in the talent level of a third or fourth rounder. And if we hit on both wow!
I am glad you posted this question. If the Browns do their research based on his play and determine that he is a first round talent with off the field issues then I would say absolutely take him if he is there in the third. If we don't you know the Bengals will and he will shut us down twice per year. I was sitting yesterday thinking about this very question and thinking that the Browns have had this problem for a long time. Every year you hear about teams taking players who's stock has dropped for various reasons and they end up with a steal. The Bengals got one last year with Burfict. When was the last time we actually took a gamble. We keep saying we need more playmakers. More top caliber athletic talent. This is how you get better talent. Taking educated risks gets you talent. The Ravens do it, the Bengals do it, Raiders do it poorly, lol.....But I believe we need to do more of this if we really want to reach the next level. I want 1st round athletic talent in the 3rd, 2nd round talent in the 4th etc.... if one of them pans out we have one star which we wouldn't likely have in the talent level of a third or fourth rounder. And if we hit on both wow!
The last time we took a "gamble" was last year. No one wanted to touch Gordon, and a lot are wishing they would have I'm sure
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I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
OK Tim. The guy was great? @ LSU. Has average ups, and if his bench press is any indication, not particularly physical. In the NFL, he's going to be routinely matched up against guys who are 20 pounds heavier, and 4"-5" taller- are you telling me that shouldn't be a concern, character issues aside?
OK Tim. The guy was great? @ LSU. Has average ups, and if his bench press is any indication, not particularly physical. In the NFL, he's going to be routinely matched up against guys who are 20 pounds heavier, and 4"-5" taller- are you telling me that shouldn't be a concern, character issues aside?
No, those are definitely concerns. That's why I said rule him out based on his performance, not his character issues.
I said the same things earlier. I wouldn't want him if he had a squeaky clean record, just because he's undersized and not spectacularly fast.
I'm just tired of people saying "we only draft high character guys". That's all well and good, but character does not win you games. Everybody has mistakes and flaws, there's no true perfect prospect. If there was, he'd be going #1. You just have to weigh the pros versus the cons and, in most cases, physicality and talent outweigh most off-the-field concerns. Sometimes, yes, stellar players go on to never amount to anything because they can't keep their heads on straight.
Could you imagine how different our defense would have looked had we taken Burfict and Janorris Jenkins?
We gambled on Gordon last year, and look where that has led us. The guy is on track to be our best receiver in a long time, barring a setback.
Sometimes you have to take the risks, and we just haven't taken enough.
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I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
OK Tim. The guy was great? @ LSU. Has average ups, and if his bench press is any indication, not particularly physical. In the NFL, he's going to be routinely matched up against guys who are 20 pounds heavier, and 4"-5" taller- are you telling me that shouldn't be a concern, character issues aside?
OK Tim. The guy was great? @ LSU. Has average ups, and if his bench press is any indication, not particularly physical. In the NFL, he's going to be routinely matched up against guys who are 20 pounds heavier, and 4"-5" taller- are you telling me that shouldn't be a concern, character issues aside?
That should definitely be a concern, NFL WRs should tear him up based on what on he had shown
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I am glad you posted this question. If the Browns do their research based on his play and determine that he is a first round talent with off the field issues then I would say absolutely take him if he is there in the third. If we don't you know the Bengals will and he will shut us down twice per year. I was sitting yesterday thinking about this very question and thinking that the Browns have had this problem for a long time. Every year you hear about teams taking players who's stock has dropped for various reasons and they end up with a steal. The Bengals got one last year with Burfict. When was the last time we actually took a gamble. We keep saying we need more playmakers. More top caliber athletic talent. This is how you get better talent. Taking educated risks gets you talent. The Ravens do it, the Bengals do it, Raiders do it poorly, lol.....But I believe we need to do more of this if we really want to reach the next level. I want 1st round athletic talent in the 3rd, 2nd round talent in the 4th etc.... if one of them pans out we have one star which we wouldn't likely have in the talent level of a third or fourth rounder. And if we hit on both wow!
The last time we took a "gamble" was last year. No one wanted to touch Gordon, and a lot are wishing they would have I'm sure
The last time we took a "gamble" was last year. No one wanted to touch Gordon, and a lot are wishing they would have I'm sure
Good Point!
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Mathieu will probably be available with our pick at the top of the 5th round.. I'd take a shot on him then, but only then.
We will have the opportunity to draft either WR Wilson from WSU or Woods from USC with our 3rd-round pick
In the 4th I'd like to see them grab another DE/OLB
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Mathieu will probably be available with our pick at the top of the 5th round.. I'd take a shot on him then, but only then.
We will have the opportunity to draft either WR Wilson from WSU or Woods from USC with our 3rd-round pick
In the 4th I'd like to see them grab another DE/OLB
Mathieu will probably be available with our pick at the top of the 5th round.. I'd take a shot on him then, but only then.
We will have the opportunity to draft either WR Wilson from WSU or Woods from USC with our 3rd-round pick
In the 4th I'd like to see them grab another DE/OLB
dude. this just shows me how out of touch you are right now with what's going on pre-draft.
mathieu will be gone before the 3rd.
guaranteed.
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Ironic coming from you
glad to see you back with your always insightful views.
wtf is ironic about it?
this board would be dead without mundane off season gibberish, but you'll bash those who bleed brown and orange year long and those who disagree or in your oz-like mind are below you.
you (and others) always hate when people speak from their hearts. go back to where you were for all these glorious days tin man.
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Pass, from what I've read he was able to take chances because he had great players at lsu to back him up. Plus when was the last time deion saunders said a guy was the real deal and turned out to be a average player.... anyone remember how much he pimped crabtree.
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I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
I'm tired if staying away from athletic guys because they have character concerns. Not saying Mathieu is worth it, but ruling him out because of his off the field issues is stupid. Rule the guy out based on his performance.
I never said not to take him because of character issues. Those are (IMHO) real, but I rule him out & so stated, because of what I see as performance shortcomings. He had pretty average showings at the combine & the WORST in lifting. He may not have been able to play last year, but he sure as hell could have (and should have!) worked out on his own. I'm just not a fan of a guy as small as he is not being outstanding in ANY other measured area. I DO rule him out based on what I see as a lack of ability to perform at a high level in the NFL coupled with his lack of maturity (again, as I see it). He will play against MUCH tougher competition at the next level. In the 1st 3 rounds, we need as close to "can't miss" guys as possible. He is NOT in that group. Simply too many question marks & flags for me.
Mike
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