Draft Thoughts 2013
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How can there not be? I mean, can there be more than 10 people in this country with that name?
It's a decently common Maori surname. It's more popular in New Zealand and Australia, but it's no more uncommon than, say, "Grabowski" or "Graham".
According to heritage.com, there's something like 20 listed Lotulelei's in the US.
It's a decently common Maori surname. It's more popular in New Zealand and Australia, but it's no more uncommon than, say, "Grabowski" or "Graham".
According to heritage.com, there's something like 20 listed Lotulelei's in the US.
OK, instead of 10 there are 20. And two of them happen to be in year's NFL draft.
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It's a decently common Maori surname. It's more popular in New Zealand and Australia, but it's no more uncommon than, say, "Grabowski" or "Graham".
According to heritage.com, there's something like 20 listed Lotulelei's in the US.
OK, instead of 10 there are 20. And two of them happen to be in year's NFL draft.
OK, instead of 10 there are 20. And two of them happen to be in year's NFL draft.
I mean, those are the ones just listed on the website. I'm sure there are many, many more that have never signed up for an account.
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BOTTOM LINE Lotulelei (no relation with Utah defensive tackle Star) needed some time to take advantage of his gifts at the junior college level, and didn’t earn a starting spot until later in his junior year. There are plenty of things to like about his attacking style, however, allowing him to project as a late-round inside linebacker prospect with good special teams potential.
this is from nfl.com combine bio
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"131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan
- With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep."
Amen.
Fill the whole Cribbs leaves as a returner.
Add another WR that could develop into a great slot option
Act as a WildDawg QB when we want to do that
Finally, serve as a change of pace back if needed.
As someone that's watched every snap Denard has ever taken I think he's more suited to be a HB. Its most like what he's been doing for 3 years. He was a starting HB for the first time ever against SC and put up 100 yards rushing on their good defense.
I know I'm biased, but I really think this pick could fill some holes in our roster after Cribbs bounces. Also adds that important home run potential.
I know he's a project, but his only real starting duty at first will be return man as his main position, whatever the coaches want, develops.
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"131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan
- With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep."
Amen.
Fill the whole Cribbs leaves as a returner.
Add another WR that could develop into a great slot option
Act as a WildDawg QB when we want to do that
Finally, serve as a change of pace back if needed.
As someone that's watched every snap Denard has ever taken I think he's more suited to be a HB. Its most like what he's been doing for 3 years. He was a starting HB for the first time ever against SC and put up 100 yards rushing on their good defense.
I know I'm biased, but I really think this pick could fill some holes in our roster after Cribbs bounces. Also adds that important home run potential.
I know he's a project, but his only real starting duty at first will be return man as his main position, whatever the coaches want, develops.
"131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan
- With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep."
Amen.
Fill the whole Cribbs leaves as a returner.
Add another WR that could develop into a great slot option
Act as a WildDawg QB when we want to do that
Finally, serve as a change of pace back if needed.
As someone that's watched every snap Denard has ever taken I think he's more suited to be a HB. Its most like what he's been doing for 3 years. He was a starting HB for the first time ever against SC and put up 100 yards rushing on their good defense.
I know I'm biased, but I really think this pick could fill some holes in our roster after Cribbs bounces. Also adds that important home run potential.
I know he's a project, but his only real starting duty at first will be return man as his main position, whatever the coaches want, develops.
So...a slower Travis Benjamin.
No thanks.
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"131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan
- With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep."
Amen.
Fill the whole Cribbs leaves as a returner.
Add another WR that could develop into a great slot option
Act as a WildDawg QB when we want to do that
Finally, serve as a change of pace back if needed.
As someone that's watched every snap Denard has ever taken I think he's more suited to be a HB. Its most like what he's been doing for 3 years. He was a starting HB for the first time ever against SC and put up 100 yards rushing on their good defense.
I know I'm biased, but I really think this pick could fill some holes in our roster after Cribbs bounces. Also adds that important home run potential.
I know he's a project, but his only real starting duty at first will be return man as his main position, whatever the coaches want, develops.
So...a slower Travis Benjamin.
No thanks.
So...a slower Travis Benjamin.
No thanks.
Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds.
All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So...a slower Travis Benjamin.
No thanks.
Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds.
All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick
Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds.
All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick
A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
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Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds.
All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick
A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
Well the goal is to get one of the two to become a slot WR
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
He had a bad Sr Bowl, the very first time he was a WR. He was also and still is recovering from a nerve injury in his elbow that causes numbness in his hand and his ability to grip the ball. He described himself at 60% health at the combine.
The weaknesses about his passing mean nothing. He will learn to run routes. He played QB for 3 years, he'll get the mental stuff down.
Read the analysis post combine. Damn near every article I've read has been positive.
It seems to me he could potentially fill a couple holes our team will have.
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Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
He had a bad Sr Bowl, the very first time he was a WR. He was also and still is recovering from a nerve injury in his elbow that causes numbness in his hand and his ability to grip the ball. He described himself at 60% health at the combine.
The weaknesses about his passing mean nothing. He will learn to run routes. He played QB for 3 years, he'll get the mental stuff down.
Read the analysis post combine. Damn near every article I've read has been positive.
It seems to me he could potentially fill a couple holes our team will have.
He had a bad Sr Bowl, the very first time he was a WR. He was also and still is recovering from a nerve injury in his elbow that causes numbness in his hand and his ability to grip the ball. He described himself at 60% health at the combine.
The weaknesses about his passing mean nothing. He will learn to run routes. He played QB for 3 years, he'll get the mental stuff down.
Read the analysis post combine. Damn near every article I've read has been positive.
It seems to me he could potentially fill a couple holes our team will have.
Mayock during the combine commented on his senior bowl and said that he deserves credit for trying to play through the injury. He looked ok at the combine, no question the dude can run. He's essentially a younger version of Cribbs.
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A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
Well the goal is to get one of the two to become a slot WR
Well the goal is to get one of the two to become a slot WR
So instead if having one player who needs to develop get more reps, we split time between two guys who are both project potential slot receivers.
It's a waste of a roster spot, a waste of money, and a waste of a draft pick.
He doesn't fill any holes that we have.
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Really, I'd just keep Cribbs. He is a main man on kick coverages, though he probly' has lost a step.
But his play inspires the special teams because he lays it on the line, one hundred percent every play.
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Benjamin and Robinson are two entirely different types of players. Robinson has better open field moves and had excellent production as a RB. While Benjamin has better straight line speed and proven production as a deep threat.
The Browns could do a lot of damage in a Shotgun Four Wide
Gordon (Left Outside)
Robinson (Left Slot)
Little (Right Slot)
Benjamin (Right Outside)
That would be a diverse set. I believe Benjamin is better suited to the outside and looking at his splits, that is where most his production has come.
Having athletes like that on the outside and allowing Weeden play in the shotgun would help the production tremendously. This is why I initially posted my 'want' for Robinson about two months ago and brought it back into my latest mock.
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I still think it would suit Robinson better to develop as a HB instead of a WR but I guess the NFL scouts he's talked to know best
I think it would be a great pick in the 4th if he is still there...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Some late round guys I would like:
Kerwynn Williams, RB (maybe slot WR), Utah State
- 6th to 7th Round
- Over 2,000 yards rushing/receiving, 20 Touchdowns; a great player.
Kapron Lewis-Moore, 3-4 DE, Notre Dame
- 7th to UDFA
- Excellent production and ability
- Will drop in the draft due to multiple knee injuries (Torn ACL in this year's BCS Championship)
Rontez Miles, FS, California (PA)
- 6th to 7th
- A safety with great size who likes to hit. Could be a spectacular special teamer with the ability to fill in at either safety position.
T.J. Moe, WR, Missouri
- 6th to 7th
- This guy dominated the short area quickness, change of direction, and strength tests at the combine; but failed the speed test. Could carve a niche out as a 4th underneath receiver and a special teamer.
Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
- 6th
- A big target at 6-6, 270 who posted a pretty impressive 40 time of 4.71. Not a whole lot of experience as a TE; I believe only 1.5 seasons. He has good blocking ability and the athleticism to flash some deep gains. He would be a great compliment to Cameron, and a possible replacement if he progressing.
Quinton Dial, 3-4 DE, Alabama
- 6th to 7th
- A big guy at 6-5, 315 who has experience as a 3-4 DE. The Browns absolutely need to address their lack of depth at 3-4 DE's. I worry this upcoming season will be trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Bringing in maybe an experienced free agent and drafting a player like Dial (or the aforementioned Lewis-Moore) will help them for years to come.
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I just think Robinson has a problem with hand-eye coordination. ..Pretty sure I could find a player
who can do what he should be able to do already.
Mdmusch posted about a kid, Williams, that probly' nobody else ever heard of. I'd draft Williams far quicker:
Kerwynn Williams, RB (maybe slot WR), Utah State<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">- 6th to 7th Round<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">
- Over 2,000 yards rushing/receiving, 20 Touchdowns; a great player..
Just thinkin.
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"Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
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I still think it would suit Robinson better to develop as a HB instead of a WR but I guess the NFL scouts he's talked to know best
I think it would be a great pick in the 4th if he is still there...
I still think it would suit Robinson better to develop as a HB instead of a WR but I guess the NFL scouts he's talked to know best
I think it would be a great pick in the 4th if he is still there...
Why are we even talking about some dipshit third rate talent? Just because you and he both went to Michigan?
Why dont we talk about Adam Bice OC or Adam Steiner LS....both from Akron where I went? Both probably third rate talent as well.
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