Draft Thoughts 2013
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Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
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Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds.
All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick
A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
Well the goal is to get one of the two to become a slot WR
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
He had a bad Sr Bowl, the very first time he was a WR. He was also and still is recovering from a nerve injury in his elbow that causes numbness in his hand and his ability to grip the ball. He described himself at 60% health at the combine.
The weaknesses about his passing mean nothing. He will learn to run routes. He played QB for 3 years, he'll get the mental stuff down.
Read the analysis post combine. Damn near every article I've read has been positive.
It seems to me he could potentially fill a couple holes our team will have.
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Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns -
from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson:
"WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
eh....NO.
He had a bad Sr Bowl, the very first time he was a WR. He was also and still is recovering from a nerve injury in his elbow that causes numbness in his hand and his ability to grip the ball. He described himself at 60% health at the combine.
The weaknesses about his passing mean nothing. He will learn to run routes. He played QB for 3 years, he'll get the mental stuff down.
Read the analysis post combine. Damn near every article I've read has been positive.
It seems to me he could potentially fill a couple holes our team will have.
He had a bad Sr Bowl, the very first time he was a WR. He was also and still is recovering from a nerve injury in his elbow that causes numbness in his hand and his ability to grip the ball. He described himself at 60% health at the combine.
The weaknesses about his passing mean nothing. He will learn to run routes. He played QB for 3 years, he'll get the mental stuff down.
Read the analysis post combine. Damn near every article I've read has been positive.
It seems to me he could potentially fill a couple holes our team will have.
Mayock during the combine commented on his senior bowl and said that he deserves credit for trying to play through the injury. He looked ok at the combine, no question the dude can run. He's essentially a younger version of Cribbs.
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A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle.
I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's.
Well the goal is to get one of the two to become a slot WR
Well the goal is to get one of the two to become a slot WR
So instead if having one player who needs to develop get more reps, we split time between two guys who are both project potential slot receivers.
It's a waste of a roster spot, a waste of money, and a waste of a draft pick.
He doesn't fill any holes that we have.
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Really, I'd just keep Cribbs. He is a main man on kick coverages, though he probly' has lost a step.
But his play inspires the special teams because he lays it on the line, one hundred percent every play.
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Benjamin and Robinson are two entirely different types of players. Robinson has better open field moves and had excellent production as a RB. While Benjamin has better straight line speed and proven production as a deep threat.
The Browns could do a lot of damage in a Shotgun Four Wide
Gordon (Left Outside)
Robinson (Left Slot)
Little (Right Slot)
Benjamin (Right Outside)
That would be a diverse set. I believe Benjamin is better suited to the outside and looking at his splits, that is where most his production has come.
Having athletes like that on the outside and allowing Weeden play in the shotgun would help the production tremendously. This is why I initially posted my 'want' for Robinson about two months ago and brought it back into my latest mock.
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I still think it would suit Robinson better to develop as a HB instead of a WR but I guess the NFL scouts he's talked to know best
I think it would be a great pick in the 4th if he is still there...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Some late round guys I would like:
Kerwynn Williams, RB (maybe slot WR), Utah State
- 6th to 7th Round
- Over 2,000 yards rushing/receiving, 20 Touchdowns; a great player.
Kapron Lewis-Moore, 3-4 DE, Notre Dame
- 7th to UDFA
- Excellent production and ability
- Will drop in the draft due to multiple knee injuries (Torn ACL in this year's BCS Championship)
Rontez Miles, FS, California (PA)
- 6th to 7th
- A safety with great size who likes to hit. Could be a spectacular special teamer with the ability to fill in at either safety position.
T.J. Moe, WR, Missouri
- 6th to 7th
- This guy dominated the short area quickness, change of direction, and strength tests at the combine; but failed the speed test. Could carve a niche out as a 4th underneath receiver and a special teamer.
Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
- 6th
- A big target at 6-6, 270 who posted a pretty impressive 40 time of 4.71. Not a whole lot of experience as a TE; I believe only 1.5 seasons. He has good blocking ability and the athleticism to flash some deep gains. He would be a great compliment to Cameron, and a possible replacement if he progressing.
Quinton Dial, 3-4 DE, Alabama
- 6th to 7th
- A big guy at 6-5, 315 who has experience as a 3-4 DE. The Browns absolutely need to address their lack of depth at 3-4 DE's. I worry this upcoming season will be trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Bringing in maybe an experienced free agent and drafting a player like Dial (or the aforementioned Lewis-Moore) will help them for years to come.
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I just think Robinson has a problem with hand-eye coordination. ..Pretty sure I could find a player
who can do what he should be able to do already.
Mdmusch posted about a kid, Williams, that probly' nobody else ever heard of. I'd draft Williams far quicker:
Kerwynn Williams, RB (maybe slot WR), Utah State<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">- 6th to 7th Round<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">
- Over 2,000 yards rushing/receiving, 20 Touchdowns; a great player..
Just thinkin.
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"Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices."
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I still think it would suit Robinson better to develop as a HB instead of a WR but I guess the NFL scouts he's talked to know best
I think it would be a great pick in the 4th if he is still there...
I still think it would suit Robinson better to develop as a HB instead of a WR but I guess the NFL scouts he's talked to know best
I think it would be a great pick in the 4th if he is still there...
Why are we even talking about some dipshit third rate talent? Just because you and he both went to Michigan?
Why dont we talk about Adam Bice OC or Adam Steiner LS....both from Akron where I went? Both probably third rate talent as well.
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Hey if you guys want to look like biased idiots, go ahead. I won't stop you.
Though I'm sure you'll think the same if me, and you'll see over biased idiots around you and it will make you think you're right.
"Dips hit third rate talent". ........ really?
We won't talk about Akron players because is Akron, lol.
Also, Cal, I'm pretty sure you are posting post Sr Bowl evaluations which I've already explained why they aren't as accurate
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
To get Robinson you'd have to overpay for what he was able to do as a QB ar Michigan. Who knows if he could handle the pounding hed recieve as a running back or be able to learn the nuances of playing reciever. You dont know how good his hands are. And while he has exceptional straight line speed, I dont think hes got elite quickness. You would be drafting an unknown commodity in the 3rd round and I know we can do better.
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Hey if you guys want to look like biased idiots, go ahead. I won't stop you.
Though I'm sure you'll think the same if me, and you'll see over biased idiots around you and it will make you think you're right.
"Dips hit third rate talent". ........ really?
We won't talk about Akron players because is Akron, lol.
Also, Cal, I'm pretty sure you are posting post Sr Bowl evaluations which I've already explained why they aren't as accurate
Hey if you guys want to look like biased idiots, go ahead. I won't stop you.
Though I'm sure you'll think the same if me, and you'll see over biased idiots around you and it will make you think you're right.
"Dips hit third rate talent". ........ really?
We won't talk about Akron players because is Akron, lol.
Also, Cal, I'm pretty sure you are posting post Sr Bowl evaluations which I've already explained why they aren't as accurate
There's being objective- which we're doing- and being a homer- which is what you're doing.
You want to draft a in the third round to be solely a returner and gimmick HB.
We have a returner who is faster, and a 3rd overall pick RB. There's no point in taking him when we have other glaring holes to fill.
Who cares about why you've explained the Senior Bowl evaluations to be inaccurate. People who get paid a hell of a lot more than you or me made those evaluations, and just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them inaccurate.
Having an injury doesn't make up for the fact that he's just not this amazing talent that you've been creaming over for the last couple years. He's a college running QB that played in a system that promoted his strengths. He's not a legitimate NFL QB, WR or HB talent. He is a gimmick player, that's all he'll ever be in the NFL.
He's Brad Smith at his absolute best or Pat White at his worst. That's not a gamble that's worth a third round pick, in my eyes.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I'm not an Ohio State fan and I'll say that Denard isn't going to pan out in the NFL. Just so you have a non biased opinion.
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Hey if you guys want to look like biased idiots, go ahead. I won't stop you.
Though I'm sure you'll think the same if me, and you'll see over biased idiots around you and it will make you think you're right.
"Dips hit third rate talent". ........ really?
We won't talk about Akron players because is Akron, lol.
Also, Cal, I'm pretty sure you are posting post Sr Bowl evaluations which I've already explained why they aren't as accurate
Hey if you guys want to look like biased idiots, go ahead. I won't stop you.
You went first, are you saying it is our turn?
Though I'm sure you'll think the same if me, and you'll see over biased idiots around you and it will make you think you're right.
"Dips hit third rate talent". ........ really?
Yea, really. He will probably be drafted...late.
We won't talk about Akron players because is Akron, lol.
Akron has sent a few fine players to the NFL. Jason Taylor, Dwight Smith (2 Ints in SB), Victor Green.
All I am saying is why all the breath wasted on a guy whose career track may not even be as high as Charlie Fryes? An Akron player.
Also, Cal, I'm pretty sure you are posting post Sr Bowl evaluations which I've already explained why they aren't as accurate
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To get Robinson you'd have to overpay for what he was able to do as a QB ar Michigan. Who knows if he could handle the pounding hed recieve as a running back or be able to learn the nuances of playing reciever. You dont know how good his hands are. And while he has exceptional straight line speed, I dont think hes got elite quickness. You would be drafting an unknown commodity in the 3rd round and I know we can do better.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
To get Robinson you'd have to overpay for what he was able to do as a QB ar Michigan. Who knows if he could handle the pounding hed recieve as a running back or be able to learn the nuances of playing reciever. You dont know how good his hands are. And while he has exceptional straight line speed, I dont think hes got elite quickness. You would be drafting an unknown commodity in the 3rd round and I know we can do better.
What do you mean by overpay?
As far as durability goes, here are a few stats. (Beanie was just the first guy to come to my head, fyi)
In 3 years as a starter Denard carried the ball 654 times. Beanie Wells carried it 625 times in 3 years. This isn't counting all the hits Denard took while also playing QB.
In 3 years as a starter Denard missed less games than Beanie Wells.
Against South Carolina, a pretty good defense, Denard put up 100 yards on 23 carries. He had the third most yards against SC out of the halfbacks they played all season.
I don't know how many games of his you've ever watched, but he has quickness. He makes the initial cuts and changes direction, then utilizes straight line speed.
I'm not sure if I ever said 3rd... I'd be fine with it, but I thought I said 4th.
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Hey if you guys want to look like biased idiots, go ahead. I won't stop you.
Though I'm sure you'll think the same if me, and you'll see over biased idiots around you and it will make you think you're right.
"Dips hit third rate talent". ........ really?
We won't talk about Akron players because is Akron, lol.
Also, Cal, I'm pretty sure you are posting post Sr Bowl evaluations which I've already explained why they aren't as accurate
There's being objective- which we're doing- and being a homer- which is what you're doing.
You want to draft a in the third round to be solely a returner and gimmick HB.
We have a returner who is faster, and a 3rd overall pick RB. There's no point in taking him when we have other glaring holes to fill.
Who cares about why you've explained the Senior Bowl evaluations to be inaccurate. People who get paid a hell of a lot more than you or me made those evaluations, and just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them inaccurate.
Having an injury doesn't make up for the fact that he's just not this amazing talent that you've been creaming over for the last couple years. He's a college running QB that played in a system that promoted his strengths. He's not a legitimate NFL QB, WR or HB talent. He is a gimmick player, that's all he'll ever be in the NFL.
He's Brad Smith at his absolute best or Pat White at his worst. That's not a gamble that's worth a third round pick, in my eyes.
There's being objective- which we're doing- and being a homer- which is what you're doing.
You want to draft a in the third round to be solely a returner and gimmick HB.
We have a returner who is faster, and a 3rd overall pick RB. There's no point in taking him when we have other glaring holes to fill.
Who cares about why you've explained the Senior Bowl evaluations to be inaccurate. People who get paid a hell of a lot more than you or me made those evaluations, and just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them inaccurate.
Having an injury doesn't make up for the fact that he's just not this amazing talent that you've been creaming over for the last couple years. He's a college running QB that played in a system that promoted his strengths. He's not a legitimate NFL QB, WR or HB talent. He is a gimmick player, that's all he'll ever be in the NFL.
He's Brad Smith at his absolute best or Pat White at his worst. That's not a gamble that's worth a third round pick, in my eyes.
Again, I don't think I ever said 3rd.
Benjamin might be a little faster, but you are making it sound like they are worlds apart. Denard also has 30 pounds on Benjamin. I'm not sure how well Benjamin would hold on kick returns. One of Cribbs' assets was his size.
Again, poor reading skills. I never said they were inaccurate because I disagree with them. They are inaccurate because they aren't current.
NFL.com
"» Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson did well for himself Sunday. He ran a 4.43-second 40-yard dash and showed the game speed he put on tape. Mayock called Robinson smart, tough and quick. Robinson also caught the ball well and didn't have a single drop during the gauntlet drill despite nerve damage that affects his right hand. Pass-catching skills remain the biggest question, but Robinson did well in that area during the workout."
Last couple of years? I haven't been here near that long...
I would say a nerve injury in your elbow affecting your ability to grip with that hand my hinder catching. Its not a pass by any means, but it would be stupid to ignore it.
I am not saying for sure he will become a superstar, every down HB or WR. I am saying he can fill a lot of holes and has a lot of upside.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
This was posted on the dawgsbynature website.
By Brian Tarcy:
The best way for the Cleveland Browns to improve is for them to use the sixth pick in the draft to take Chance Warmack, offensive guard from Alabama and begin to complete the best offensive line in the NFL.
When that happens, with a healthy Trent Richardson running behind that line, Brandon Weeden can be great. Or Colt McCoy. Or your grandmother, if she has a decent arm and half a brain.
If you give any NFL quarterback a great running game and a great offensive line, he will be successful. I am so confident in this that I will add this clause; even if he wears an orange helmet Lots of mediocre quarterbacks have had great seasons. It's a sweet formula, and if the quarterback has some success, he may actually become confident. Then, look out.. Heck, Derek Anderson did it.
You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.” You want touchdowns? Put Trent Richardson behind a mashing athletic left guard who is playing between a Pro Bowl Center and a Pro Bowl left tackle.
I say this formula begins finally to teach children how to be Cleveland Browns fans. Take a chance on Chance. He will most likely be available, as no one takes offensive guards that high. But the best ones are paid huge cash for a reason. If you build an offensive line, wins will come.
The jigsaw puzzle is almost complete. I know how tempting it is to give Ray Horton whatever he wants to build his attacking defense, but the Cleveland Browns need three things – a quarterback, an identity, and points. A dominating offensive line does all that.
In fact, I am sure that offensive lines make quarterbacks more than the other way around, except for Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, and they are vulnerable too.
I want the Cleveland Browns to spend their free agent money on defense, and take a Chance in the draft. It's unconventional thinking given how every expert has them going for defense. But they are finally close to building a team with a power identity on the shores of Lake Erie.
This is the blueprint I remember from when things were rosy and the Cleveland Browns were always a good-to-great team. It's time to abandon the clown car version of football we have been watching for the past past decade and a half. To paraphrase Sam Wyche, Cleveland is not Cincinnati.
I don't care what the Browns do as long as they win every game next year. But until they make a decision, which then by default becomes my heartfelt opinion too, I believe the guy some call the most athletic guard to come out in years.
Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly are in the Hall of Fame. So in Gene Hickerson, who blocked for both of them. I love great coincidences. Take a Chance on another.
And if the team finishes 5-11 again next year because a knucklehead like me forgets that a dominating defense also helps, at least the next new coach and new quarterback will have an almost completed offensive line to work with until they get fired. So that's progress.
I know at the end of the day we will go LB/DE, but this article makes you think of the possibility of what an amazing line might do for our offense.
If we trade out of the top 10 to the top 15 and get a 2nd rounder this might just make a little more sense.
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