Steelers Release Harrison
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Josh Gordon: 6'3" 225 4.42 40 time 13 reps on the bench press Age 22 when season starts
Greg Little: 6'3" 231 4.45 40 time 27 reps on the bench press (best of any WR in combine in his year) age 23 when season starts
Antonio Brown: 5'10 186 4.47 40 time 13 reps on bench press age 25
Emmanuel Sanders: 5'11" 190 4.41 40 time 12 reps on bench press age 25
Height/Weight/strength advantages to Browns players. Speed about equal. Age not much of a factor
Josh Gordon: 6'3" 225 4.42 40 time 13 reps on the bench press Age 22 when season starts
Greg Little: 6'3" 231 4.45 40 time 27 reps on the bench press (best of any WR in combine in his year) age 23 when season starts
Antonio Brown: 5'10 186 4.47 40 time 13 reps on bench press age 25
Emmanuel Sanders: 5'11" 190 4.41 40 time 12 reps on bench press age 25
Height/Weight/strength advantages to Browns players. Speed about equal. Age not much of a factor
I didn't realize the skill set of a wide receiver in the NFL was so directly tied to height/strength and a 40 time. Unless of course the competition is the NFL combine. Wallace just got 60M and he's just fast. Decent size at 6 foot but I'm certain he didn't light up the bench press. I'm certain i could run through a laundry list of hall of famers that don't measure up on the often used "combine bench marks". As we all should know it's not all about what you do at the combine. Greg Little for example couldn't catch a cold and a good bit of Gordon's numbers were in garbage time, pulling down the deep ball no? He's no doubt a good receiver. I'd take him on the Steelers. Little on the other hand not so much.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Who cares about the draft. Next will be ota's then training camp.... Seems your confidence is slowly waning.
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Yinzertron:
All teams draft players who become starters. Out of your list, the Steelers drafted 2, maybe 3 stars (Pouncey and Wallace for sure) and one's not on the team. However, Miami will regret paying Wallace $13M/yr once his speed diminishes. Timmons plays 1-2 games a season where he looks like the best MLB ever and the other 14 games he seems to be MIA. You don't pay a guy star money for 1-2 great games per season. Further, Woodley has become fat and lazy since getting paid like a star. He's 10x worse than Timmons, because he only plays 2-3 mediocre games a season before he strains his beer gut. Antonio Brown is a good reciever, but I'm not annointing him a star. He didn't exactly do much since signing a big contract. Now that Wallace is gone Brown will draw the double teams and likely become invisible. Maybe they can get him some platform shoes to run in so Ben can see where he's at. Oh, and Gilbert is an awful draft pick. They need to get rid of him before he rolls up another teammate's ankle. I think every offensive player that suffered an ankle injury the past two seasons was the direct result of Gilbert rolling up on it after he failed to hold his ground on a block.
The Steelers are plumb out of recievers behind Brown/Sanders. They got the geriatric justice league of america in Burress and Crotchety. Burress is more likely to catch a his own bullet in his ass than a pigskin pass. Yeah, I'm so excited. Crotchety may play one or two snaps a game. The Steelers are due to select the next Limas Sweed in this years draft. Oh and speaking of old timers, we are replacing Keenan Lewis with William "Burnt Toast" Gay. Yippee, cause I couldn't get enough of Ike Taylor getting toasted!!!
As for Baltimore, they are frankly better coached than Pittsburgh. Caldwell was for Baltimore what we needed out of Haley. I can't wait for more of Haley's predictable playcalling (run, run, pass on 3rd-12) and his twisted owner pleasing reliance on the ground game...especially with the turds have lined up in our backfield. You have one of the best downfield QBs in the game playing dink and dunk one of every three plays. All hail, Beanie "Blown-Knee" Wells!!! He'll right our ship for sure. Anyways, I have more faith that Ozzie Newsome and Jim Harbaugh will correct Baltimore's defensive shuffle than LeBeau will fix Pittsburgh's ills. There just ain't any more rabbits to pull out of LeBeau's hat, Casey Hampton ate them all. Plus the Harbaugh/Flacco tandem hasn't missed the play-offs once now has it? Cleveland and Cincinnati are far better off defensively than Pittsburgh and possibly Baltimore. Cincinnati has the most talent on paper...yet somehow the Bengals find a way to muck it up...Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the Browns will actually win the division this year.
Lastly, I wouldn't bet a better team record with Erie Dawg this year, let alone the Super Bowl scheme he's trying to con you into.
Endymion said:
Yinzertron:
All teams draft players who become starters. Out of your list, the Steelers drafted 2, maybe 3 stars (Pouncey and Wallace for sure) and one's not on the team. However, Miami will regret paying Wallace $13M/yr once his speed diminishes. Timmons plays 1-2 games a season where he looks like the best MLB ever and the other 14 games he seems to be MIA. You don't pay a guy star money for 1-2 great games per season. Further, Woodley has become fat and lazy since getting paid like a star. He's 10x worse than Timmons, because he only plays 2-3 mediocre games a season before he strains his beer gut. Antonio Brown is a good reciever, but I'm not annointing him a star. He didn't exactly do much since signing a big contract. Now that Wallace is gone Brown will draw the double teams and likely become invisible. Maybe they can get him some platform shoes to run in so Ben can see where he's at. Oh, and Gilbert is an awful draft pick. They need to get rid of him before he rolls up another teammate's ankle. I think every offensive player that suffered an ankle injury the past two seasons was the direct result of Gilbert rolling up on it after he failed to hold his ground on a block.
The Steelers are plumb out of recievers behind Brown/Sanders. They got the geriatric justice league of america in Burress and Crotchety. Burress is more likely to catch a his own bullet in his ass than a pigskin pass. Yeah, I'm so excited. Crotchety may play one or two snaps a game. The Steelers are due to select the next Limas Sweed in this years draft. Oh and speaking of old timers, we are replacing Keenan Lewis with William "Burnt Toast" Gay. Yippee, cause I couldn't get enough of Ike Taylor getting toasted!!!
As for Baltimore, they are frankly better coached than Pittsburgh. Caldwell was for Baltimore what we needed out of Haley. I can't wait for more of Haley's predictable playcalling (run, run, pass on 3rd-12) and his twisted owner pleasing reliance on the ground game...especially with the turds have lined up in our backfield. You have one of the best downfield QBs in the game playing dink and dunk one of every three plays. All hail, Beanie "Blown-Knee" Wells!!! He'll right our ship for sure. Anyways, I have more faith that Ozzie Newsome and Jim Harbaugh will correct Baltimore's defensive shuffle than LeBeau will fix Pittsburgh's ills. There just ain't any more rabbits to pull out of LeBeau's hat, Casey Hampton ate them all. Plus the Harbaugh/Flacco tandem hasn't missed the play-offs once now has it? Cleveland and Cincinnati are far better off defensively than Pittsburgh and possibly Baltimore. Cincinnati has the most talent on paper...yet somehow the Bengals find a way to muck it up...Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the Browns will actually win the division this year.
Lastly, I wouldn't bet a better team record with Erie Dawg this year, let alone the Super Bowl scheme he's trying to con you into.
First let's talk about Haley. Before Ben got hurt he was on a league MVP kind of pace, at least by the numbers. He wasn't getting sacked, he was efficient and he wasn't turning the ball over. Ben then got injured, his throwing power was diminished and we lost games as a direct result. Haley will also have more of a stamp on the team this season. Brown was injured last season and missed a pretty good amount of time. I think it was 5 games, before that he was the first player in NFL history to have over 1000 yards receiving and 1000 yards on special teams. He's a special player and even with Wallace out of the fold I expect him to further prove that this season. Burress was signed cheap and Cotchery last season was underused because of our depth at the position. He won't be underused this season. Woodley is a sore spot but prior to his hamstring issue he was unblockable. He was called out this season for being heavier than he should be and I expect that to show ,especially with Harrison out of the fold. Someone has to step up and take some leadership. I also think you're dead wrong on Lawrence Timmons. He was playing on a pro bowl level this season and he has all the tools to be a fixture in Hawaii. His lone down year since being a full time starter came in 2011 and that's when he was playing both inside and outside linebacker due to injuries with Harrison and Woodley. Otherwise he's been over 100 tackles twice and last season had 6 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and 3 int's, one of which was for a TD. He closes like a freight train and hits like one too. He's a star in the NFL and will show that once again this season. You then go on to mention William Gay as the replacement for Lewis. He's not the replacement for Lewis and was never brought in TO BE the replacement for Lewis but you know this already. You're just trying to be cute. Cortez Allen has that job and I expect him to excel. He turned it on last year and unlike Lewis actually has the ability to force some turnovers. The Jury is still out on Gilbert. He'll be playing Left Tackle rather than right tackle this season and apparently he's better suited over there. He has otherwise rolled up on some guys and it's been a running joke on my primary steeler board for a while? Is he terrible? Absolutely not. I expect our offensive line to be really strong this season.
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Who cares about the draft. Next will be ota's then training camp.... Seems your confidence is slowly waning.
Who cares about the draft. Next will be ota's then training camp.... Seems your confidence is slowly waning.
I do. I'm a confident guy period and my Pittsburgh sports teams outside of the Pirates who are on the up swing have given me no reason not to be confident. As long as Ben is on the team and a few of the main cogs are healthy the Steelers are still going to be the Steelers. We'll make some kind of bet whether it be tied to who has a better record or whether or not the Steeelers make the playoffs. All i know is i've been reading about the demise of the Steelers on this message board for a few years now and not once have they finished less than 8-8, once they won the Super Bowl and another time they went to the Super Bowl. My question is how many offseasons do we need to have where someone on this board talks about the Steelers falling off only to see them make a deep playoff run or at least finish with a .500 record before the person ringing that bell gets laughed out of town? The Steelers no doubt have some problems right now but they aren't going to collapse and they definitely aren't going to have a decade of losing. I could maybe see a pretty down season at some point but with the way they build, draft and just conduct general business they'll never be down for long. The have the most wins post merger of any team in the NFL and that covers several decades of football. They also haven't always had a franchise QB during that time and our current QB is just entering his 30's. Hell Brandon Weeden is almost as old and you fellas just drafted him.
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Excellent post.
You were making alot of sense up until the end. There is no con or schemes going on, he asked to bet me. So I accepted. It's put up or shut up time, He is always so confident that they are contenders, but when they fail its always excuses, but he claims the roster has pro-bowl caliber players at every position. Go back and read some of the classics. Just a friendly bet that's all. He may have to take a weekend off from tipping his sister at the strip club to pay up on his bet ...but other than that, its all good.
Let me get something pretty clear first. I'm not here name calling. I'm not here making jokes about your mom/sister/wife. Outside of my sig which is directed at the mods that like to change my screen name. My sister has her Masters degree, working towards her doctorate. I also never said a word about the Super Bowl. I just said that they aren't going to have an epic collapse. I also have no problem putting my money where my mouth is but I was thinking playoffs, not the AFC champ game or the Bowl. Now if i could in someway guarantee that Ben would stay healthy all year I'd be more inclined to say AFC Champ game or Bowl. I'm also no where near as jaded as Endy but I talk with a lot of jaded fans daily. I'm going to address his post here in a minute. We can certainly settle up on a bet, lets get through the offseason and the draft first.
Let me get something pretty clear first. I'm not here name calling. I'm not here making jokes about your mom/sister/wife. Outside of my sig which is directed at the mods that like to change my screen name. My sister has her Masters degree, working towards her doctorate. I also never said a word about the Super Bowl. I just said that they aren't going to have an epic collapse. I also have no problem putting my money where my mouth is but I was thinking playoffs, not the AFC champ game or the Bowl. Now if i could in someway guarantee that Ben would stay healthy all year I'd be more inclined to say AFC Champ game or Bowl. I'm also no where near as jaded as Endy but I talk with a lot of jaded fans daily. I'm going to address his post here in a minute. We can certainly settle up on a bet, lets get through the offseason and the draft first.
The Broncos will likely be the betting favorites to win the AFC. New England will probably be next. The Texans will be up there. And Cincinnati rated 4th .
That is my projection. The Steelers and Ravens now will not likely be given odds to make the playoffs.
Now, I will check the websites to see if I am right.
Odds to win 2014 AFC Championship as of March 12, 2013. Before the FA period started. I would wager that in a few days or weeks these would be quite different.
Team Odds
New England Patriots 5/2
Denver Broncos 7/2
Houston Texans 8/1
Baltimore Ravens 10/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 10/1
Cincinnati Bengals 18/1
Indianapolis Colts 20/1
Kansas City Chiefs 25/1
San Diego Chargers 25/1
Miami Dolphins 25/1
New York Jets 25/1
Cleveland Browns 30/1
Buffalo Bills 50/1
Tennessee Titans 50/1
Oakland Raiders 75/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 75/1
Odds provided by Sportsbook.ag
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Josh Gordon: 6'3" 225 4.42 40 time 13 reps on the bench press Age 22 when season starts
Greg Little: 6'3" 231 4.45 40 time 27 reps on the bench press (best of any WR in combine in his year) age 23 when season starts
Antonio Brown: 5'10 186 4.47 40 time 13 reps on bench press age 25
Emmanuel Sanders: 5'11" 190 4.41 40 time 12 reps on bench press age 25
Height/Weight/strength advantages to Browns players. Speed about equal. Age not much of a factor
I didn't realize the skill set of a wide receiver in the NFL was so directly tied to height/strength and a 40 time. Unless of course the competition is the NFL combine. Wallace just got 60M and he's just fast. Decent size at 6 foot but I'm certain he didn't light up the bench press. I'm certain i could run through a laundry list of hall of famers that don't measure up on the often used "combine bench marks". As we all should know it's not all about what you do at the combine. Greg Little for example couldn't catch a cold and a good bit of Gordon's numbers were in garbage time, pulling down the deep ball no? He's no doubt a good receiver. I'd take him on the Steelers. Little on the other hand not so much.
I didn't realize the skill set of a wide receiver in the NFL was so directly tied to height/strength and a 40 time.
You really don't pay attention, do you. I said that the Browns receivers were the better athletes but that they have to develop their skills as a receiver. Their athletic skills ARE tied to height/weight/strength etc.
How can you be so obtuse?
Unless of course the competition is the NFL combine. Wallace just got 60M and he's just fast. Decent size at 6 foot but I'm certain he didn't light up the bench press. I'm certain i could run through a laundry list of hall of famers that don't measure up on the often used "combine bench marks". As we all should know it's not all about what you do at the combine. Greg Little for example couldn't catch a cold and a good bit of Gordon's numbers were in garbage time, pulling down the deep ball no? He's no doubt a good receiver. I'd take him on the Steelers. Little on the other hand not so much.
Little was a RB up to like 2 years ago. He is really just learning the WR position. He has made great strides.
And, again, you must be wearing a condom on your head if you think Gordon only produced in garbage time. Of the games the Browns did win he caught at least a couple game winning TDs.
These guys have a lot more potential than the Steeler pair, plain and simple.
Yes, they have to perform, but the potential is clear....even if you are in such a fog as to fail to see it.
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here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
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Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level. I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
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you cant ague with a sick mind wearing piss tinted glasses.
I was waiting for you to come around. You forgot your pom pom's.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
I was waiting for you to come around. You forgot your pom pom's.
Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
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I was waiting for you to come around. You forgot your pom pom's.
Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
The Ratbirds just won the Super Bowl. Let's say they do have a bad season this year how long do you think they'll stay down there? Let's say the Steelers have a bad one too. Same question...how long do you think they stay down there? My answer is not long but who knows. The NFL is pretty fickle. I'd wager the Browns will be last in the division yet again. The division crown will be up for grabs otherwise.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
benjamin will be our return guy and who knows if a cb we pick up might not be able to do that as well. dawson was solid yes but it's time to put him out to pasture.
don't worry about out TE position, turner will make sure we are set there, so yea it's still a wash. your LB corp will NO WAY be as good as ours this year. NO WAY.
as far as drafting top 10, i'll take it any day.
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Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level. I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level.
I played baseball and basketball in high school.
I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
First off...who gives a flying fuck about what you did or didn't do. You are just another dumbass Steeler fan to everyone on this board, so you personal failures or successes are irrelevent.
What I do on here is where I am far more of a master at than you.
I make statements, and I back them up logically with facts. That is my profession.
Your profession as far as anyone else is concerned is to whine about the logic.
I made a statement: Gordon/Little were bigger/stronger/faster than the Steeler pair.
That fact was proven by me with statistical data.
But now you are jumping up and down like the Wild Man from Borneo stating that height/weight/speed/strength don't mean anything.
But...if, according to you, these combine stats don't mean anything, then why does the NFL test them?
Maybe because they, unlike you, do not think that PeeWee Herman should be playing in the NFL. Maybe they tnink they should have guys that can run fast, be strong, and be tall.
So, what you are saying is that the NFL is wrong in doing these combine tests because it in no way test "football skills".
Well, why don't you take that up with the NFL and tell them that they are doing things wrong. That they should do things the Vagitron way.
I further made the statement that the Browns receivers have not as yet fully developed their Wide Receiver skills; that the Steeler WRs probably at this point have more experience and thus more skills. But I also said that Gordon and Little had great potential, probably more than Sanders/Brown. And I now say that if these guys were just big guys that could run and be strong, but who couldn't play football...then no NFL GM would have picked them as second round draft picks if that is all they offered. But that GM...Tom Heckert in this case, did just that because he saw the potential in their skills.
And, you know what? I am going to trust Heckert's judgment more than I trust yours. These guys have potential, they have budding skills.
And we Browns fas see that. Other NFL teams see that. NFL commentators see that.
Apparently ONLY you don't see it.
So,yes, you are obtuse. And unlike Warden Norton of Shawshank Prison, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. (and probably unlike Warden Norton, it fits in your case)
So, go back to being a dumb jock...which apparently is what you were trying to convince me you are, and let us nerds with brains do the thinking.
And another word of free advice: don't go mud wresting with a hog. The hog likes it and all you do is get filthy.
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here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
Dawson may not even be back. Travis Benjamin is more than ready to step in for Cribbs as punt & kick returner. We don't like to do it, but Joe Haden is better than anyone you can field in that department.
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Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
The Ratbirds just won the Super Bowl. Let's say they do have a bad season this year how long do you think they'll stay down there? Let's say the Steelers have a bad one too. Same question...how long do you think they stay down there? My answer is not long but who knows. The NFL is pretty fickle. I'd wager the Browns will be last in the division yet again. The division crown will be up for grabs otherwise.
The Ratbirds just won the Super Bowl. Let's say they do have a bad season this year how long do you think they'll stay down there? Let's say the Steelers have a bad one too. Same question...how long do you think they stay down there? My answer is not long but who knows. The NFL is pretty fickle. I'd wager the Browns will be last in the division yet again. The division crown will be up for grabs otherwise.
looking at both our rosters id say...You couldnt be more dead wrong...did you happen to see baltiwhore lost its starting LB core?...Ed Reed is more than likely going elswhere?...your O line stinks...your Lbers arent far behind as is your Dline..although I'll give you hayward...Keisel is at the end of his career...Polly will probably get dinged up in preseason ...Id say things dont look all that good for your stoolers.your way more predictable on offense per Haley....yes...Id say the bottom of the division will be battled out between you and baltiwhore for a change.
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It is too early right now to assess unit strengths in the AFC North, because the FA period is by no means over and the draft hasn't happened yet. All teams have holes to fill. And until those holes are filled who knows which teams have the stronger unit. About the ONLY position you can talk about is the QB....and sure, the Browns don't have a SB winning QB like both the Rats and Squibs, nor a guy that has led the team twice to the playoffs like Andy Dalton.
And you might also say that the RB position can somewhat be assessed. No one the Steelers or Bengals can acquire in FA or the draft will put them ahead of the Browns with TR or the Rats with Ray Rice...even if one of them gets Steven Jackson.
Beyond that the TE/OL/WR/DL/LB/DB/ST positions are probably all still up in the air. So, let's not jump the gun.
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