Steelers Release Harrison
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Excellent post.
You were making alot of sense up until the end. There is no con or schemes going on, he asked to bet me. So I accepted. It's put up or shut up time, He is always so confident that they are contenders, but when they fail its always excuses, but he claims the roster has pro-bowl caliber players at every position. Go back and read some of the classics. Just a friendly bet that's all. He may have to take a weekend off from tipping his sister at the strip club to pay up on his bet ...but other than that, its all good.
Let me get something pretty clear first. I'm not here name calling. I'm not here making jokes about your mom/sister/wife. Outside of my sig which is directed at the mods that like to change my screen name. My sister has her Masters degree, working towards her doctorate. I also never said a word about the Super Bowl. I just said that they aren't going to have an epic collapse. I also have no problem putting my money where my mouth is but I was thinking playoffs, not the AFC champ game or the Bowl. Now if i could in someway guarantee that Ben would stay healthy all year I'd be more inclined to say AFC Champ game or Bowl. I'm also no where near as jaded as Endy but I talk with a lot of jaded fans daily. I'm going to address his post here in a minute. We can certainly settle up on a bet, lets get through the offseason and the draft first.
Let me get something pretty clear first. I'm not here name calling. I'm not here making jokes about your mom/sister/wife. Outside of my sig which is directed at the mods that like to change my screen name. My sister has her Masters degree, working towards her doctorate. I also never said a word about the Super Bowl. I just said that they aren't going to have an epic collapse. I also have no problem putting my money where my mouth is but I was thinking playoffs, not the AFC champ game or the Bowl. Now if i could in someway guarantee that Ben would stay healthy all year I'd be more inclined to say AFC Champ game or Bowl. I'm also no where near as jaded as Endy but I talk with a lot of jaded fans daily. I'm going to address his post here in a minute. We can certainly settle up on a bet, lets get through the offseason and the draft first.
The Broncos will likely be the betting favorites to win the AFC. New England will probably be next. The Texans will be up there. And Cincinnati rated 4th .
That is my projection. The Steelers and Ravens now will not likely be given odds to make the playoffs.
Now, I will check the websites to see if I am right.
Odds to win 2014 AFC Championship as of March 12, 2013. Before the FA period started. I would wager that in a few days or weeks these would be quite different.
Team Odds
New England Patriots 5/2
Denver Broncos 7/2
Houston Texans 8/1
Baltimore Ravens 10/1
Pittsburgh Steelers 10/1
Cincinnati Bengals 18/1
Indianapolis Colts 20/1
Kansas City Chiefs 25/1
San Diego Chargers 25/1
Miami Dolphins 25/1
New York Jets 25/1
Cleveland Browns 30/1
Buffalo Bills 50/1
Tennessee Titans 50/1
Oakland Raiders 75/1
Jacksonville Jaguars 75/1
Odds provided by Sportsbook.ag
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Josh Gordon: 6'3" 225 4.42 40 time 13 reps on the bench press Age 22 when season starts
Greg Little: 6'3" 231 4.45 40 time 27 reps on the bench press (best of any WR in combine in his year) age 23 when season starts
Antonio Brown: 5'10 186 4.47 40 time 13 reps on bench press age 25
Emmanuel Sanders: 5'11" 190 4.41 40 time 12 reps on bench press age 25
Height/Weight/strength advantages to Browns players. Speed about equal. Age not much of a factor
I didn't realize the skill set of a wide receiver in the NFL was so directly tied to height/strength and a 40 time. Unless of course the competition is the NFL combine. Wallace just got 60M and he's just fast. Decent size at 6 foot but I'm certain he didn't light up the bench press. I'm certain i could run through a laundry list of hall of famers that don't measure up on the often used "combine bench marks". As we all should know it's not all about what you do at the combine. Greg Little for example couldn't catch a cold and a good bit of Gordon's numbers were in garbage time, pulling down the deep ball no? He's no doubt a good receiver. I'd take him on the Steelers. Little on the other hand not so much.
I didn't realize the skill set of a wide receiver in the NFL was so directly tied to height/strength and a 40 time.
You really don't pay attention, do you. I said that the Browns receivers were the better athletes but that they have to develop their skills as a receiver. Their athletic skills ARE tied to height/weight/strength etc.
How can you be so obtuse?
Unless of course the competition is the NFL combine. Wallace just got 60M and he's just fast. Decent size at 6 foot but I'm certain he didn't light up the bench press. I'm certain i could run through a laundry list of hall of famers that don't measure up on the often used "combine bench marks". As we all should know it's not all about what you do at the combine. Greg Little for example couldn't catch a cold and a good bit of Gordon's numbers were in garbage time, pulling down the deep ball no? He's no doubt a good receiver. I'd take him on the Steelers. Little on the other hand not so much.
Little was a RB up to like 2 years ago. He is really just learning the WR position. He has made great strides.
And, again, you must be wearing a condom on your head if you think Gordon only produced in garbage time. Of the games the Browns did win he caught at least a couple game winning TDs.
These guys have a lot more potential than the Steeler pair, plain and simple.
Yes, they have to perform, but the potential is clear....even if you are in such a fog as to fail to see it.
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here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
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Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level. I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
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you cant ague with a sick mind wearing piss tinted glasses.
I was waiting for you to come around. You forgot your pom pom's.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
I was waiting for you to come around. You forgot your pom pom's.
Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
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I was waiting for you to come around. You forgot your pom pom's.
Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
The Ratbirds just won the Super Bowl. Let's say they do have a bad season this year how long do you think they'll stay down there? Let's say the Steelers have a bad one too. Same question...how long do you think they stay down there? My answer is not long but who knows. The NFL is pretty fickle. I'd wager the Browns will be last in the division yet again. The division crown will be up for grabs otherwise.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
benjamin will be our return guy and who knows if a cb we pick up might not be able to do that as well. dawson was solid yes but it's time to put him out to pasture.
don't worry about out TE position, turner will make sure we are set there, so yea it's still a wash. your LB corp will NO WAY be as good as ours this year. NO WAY.
as far as drafting top 10, i'll take it any day.
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Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level. I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level.
I played baseball and basketball in high school.
I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
First off...who gives a flying fuck about what you did or didn't do. You are just another dumbass Steeler fan to everyone on this board, so you personal failures or successes are irrelevent.
What I do on here is where I am far more of a master at than you.
I make statements, and I back them up logically with facts. That is my profession.
Your profession as far as anyone else is concerned is to whine about the logic.
I made a statement: Gordon/Little were bigger/stronger/faster than the Steeler pair.
That fact was proven by me with statistical data.
But now you are jumping up and down like the Wild Man from Borneo stating that height/weight/speed/strength don't mean anything.
But...if, according to you, these combine stats don't mean anything, then why does the NFL test them?
Maybe because they, unlike you, do not think that PeeWee Herman should be playing in the NFL. Maybe they tnink they should have guys that can run fast, be strong, and be tall.
So, what you are saying is that the NFL is wrong in doing these combine tests because it in no way test "football skills".
Well, why don't you take that up with the NFL and tell them that they are doing things wrong. That they should do things the Vagitron way.
I further made the statement that the Browns receivers have not as yet fully developed their Wide Receiver skills; that the Steeler WRs probably at this point have more experience and thus more skills. But I also said that Gordon and Little had great potential, probably more than Sanders/Brown. And I now say that if these guys were just big guys that could run and be strong, but who couldn't play football...then no NFL GM would have picked them as second round draft picks if that is all they offered. But that GM...Tom Heckert in this case, did just that because he saw the potential in their skills.
And, you know what? I am going to trust Heckert's judgment more than I trust yours. These guys have potential, they have budding skills.
And we Browns fas see that. Other NFL teams see that. NFL commentators see that.
Apparently ONLY you don't see it.
So,yes, you are obtuse. And unlike Warden Norton of Shawshank Prison, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. (and probably unlike Warden Norton, it fits in your case)
So, go back to being a dumb jock...which apparently is what you were trying to convince me you are, and let us nerds with brains do the thinking.
And another word of free advice: don't go mud wresting with a hog. The hog likes it and all you do is get filthy.
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here's a post i put up on here last december. it was one of many before that predicting the demise of the steelers within the next couple of years. here i was trying to draw comparisons between the browns as we had our roster then and the steelers the same. i was responding to a thread started on here by the infamous steeler troll 'josephsuxdix'.
browns = young steelers = old
offensive squad:
QB - steelers
RB - browns
TE - wash (watson = miller)
WR - browns (gordon #! little #2 will be beats next year.....wallace FA and will fuck the steelers like they fucked him).
OL - sorta a wash. thomas and mack pro bowlers missing a RT then it's browns all the way
defense:
DL - browns. hands down.
LB - stoolers
DBs - wash with an edge to haden at CB
spec teams:
cleveland
totals:
browns = 4
stoolers = 2
even = 3
where are you dominate? joecokliker? another year for you guys is another plus for us. if you could read a pie chart the browns would have an 80% upswing while you mother jumpers are looking at the back end of your sister's asses.
I PREDICTED YOUR DOWNFALL LAST YEAR AND IT'S GOING ALONG EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD. tomlin is just a bad a coach as shurmur. players cost coaches jobs. weeden cost shurmurs. how was tomlin doin w/o ben?
exactly.
w/o raplishbergur you are mediocre at best and you will not be missed COONT!!
now looking at it today i can reasonably say we have to give the edge to the browns LBing corp given the moves we just made. by the start of the season i could see another category going our way with FA not being over and the draft looming.
give it up yinzers, the browns are pulling ahead. and the rooneys' cunnies well you should start to think:
"That maybe your cunny isn't quite the draw you think it is." -margaret schroeder, empire boarwalk.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
Dawson may not even be back. Travis Benjamin is more than ready to step in for Cribbs as punt & kick returner. We don't like to do it, but Joe Haden is better than anyone you can field in that department.
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Lol...I have been around,where were you?...and sorry...no pom pom's here...Sounds like you have been raiding your spouses wardrobe again...its gonna be fun watching your stoolers and ratbirds fighting for last place this upcomming season...have fun with that.
The Ratbirds just won the Super Bowl. Let's say they do have a bad season this year how long do you think they'll stay down there? Let's say the Steelers have a bad one too. Same question...how long do you think they stay down there? My answer is not long but who knows. The NFL is pretty fickle. I'd wager the Browns will be last in the division yet again. The division crown will be up for grabs otherwise.
The Ratbirds just won the Super Bowl. Let's say they do have a bad season this year how long do you think they'll stay down there? Let's say the Steelers have a bad one too. Same question...how long do you think they stay down there? My answer is not long but who knows. The NFL is pretty fickle. I'd wager the Browns will be last in the division yet again. The division crown will be up for grabs otherwise.
looking at both our rosters id say...You couldnt be more dead wrong...did you happen to see baltiwhore lost its starting LB core?...Ed Reed is more than likely going elswhere?...your O line stinks...your Lbers arent far behind as is your Dline..although I'll give you hayward...Keisel is at the end of his career...Polly will probably get dinged up in preseason ...Id say things dont look all that good for your stoolers.your way more predictable on offense per Haley....yes...Id say the bottom of the division will be battled out between you and baltiwhore for a change.
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It is too early right now to assess unit strengths in the AFC North, because the FA period is by no means over and the draft hasn't happened yet. All teams have holes to fill. And until those holes are filled who knows which teams have the stronger unit. About the ONLY position you can talk about is the QB....and sure, the Browns don't have a SB winning QB like both the Rats and Squibs, nor a guy that has led the team twice to the playoffs like Andy Dalton.
And you might also say that the RB position can somewhat be assessed. No one the Steelers or Bengals can acquire in FA or the draft will put them ahead of the Browns with TR or the Rats with Ray Rice...even if one of them gets Steven Jackson.
Beyond that the TE/OL/WR/DL/LB/DB/ST positions are probably all still up in the air. So, let's not jump the gun.
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Gipper did you even play sports growing up? Nevermind sports at a high level.
I played baseball and basketball in high school.
I played sports all my life and played two in college. I'm a tall guy 6'3. In my prime I had a 36 inch vertical and my 40 time was in the 4.6 range but it wasn't important for the sports I played. My vertical and explosion was and my tools allowed me to succeed. HOWEVER they weren't my only reason for being good at sports. I have very good hand eye coordination and body control. I'm mentioning these things because a lot of the reason I've had success isn't because I'm 6'3 and reasonably fast. I could run off a list of guys also extremely athletic that aren't tall, particularly strong or fast or they may have one of those traits. Are there prototype body builds? Absolutely but that doesn't always mean those players will succeed. Matt Jones is a good example of a guy that was a supreme athlete but never translated his skills to the football field. I think it's hilarious that you said I was being obtuse when most of your posts thrive on your ability to be exactly that, you play routinely ignore points for the sake of trying to maintain a strong argument. You do it ALL THE TIME, to the point that it feels like groundhog day when I get in an disagreement with you. Antonio Brown is a pretty damn good athlete and Sander is possibly the best route runner on the team but has dealt with a foot injury and was behind Wallace and Brown. Your argument is because he's not 6'3 and didn't bench 225 20 times he's not as good an athlete and you'd be mistaken. All of which brings me back to my initial question? Have you ever played an organized sport? The bench press is important if you aren't fast. Brown and Sanders are fast. Height is nice but it's not everything, especially at wide receiver so we can classify that as a moot distinction for athletic ability. I know a lot of 6 foot plus guys that are decently fast and pretty poor athletes. If all it took was putting up 225 a bunch of times, running fast and being tall we'd have a hell of a lot more than the top 1% of the population getting invited to the combine.
First off...who gives a flying fuck about what you did or didn't do. You are just another dumbass Steeler fan to everyone on this board, so you personal failures or successes are irrelevent.
What I do on here is where I am far more of a master at than you.
I make statements, and I back them up logically with facts. That is my profession.
Your profession as far as anyone else is concerned is to whine about the logic.
I made a statement: Gordon/Little were bigger/stronger/faster than the Steeler pair.
That fact was proven by me with statistical data.
But now you are jumping up and down like the Wild Man from Borneo stating that height/weight/speed/strength don't mean anything.
But...if, according to you, these combine stats don't mean anything, then why does the NFL test them?
Maybe because they, unlike you, do not think that PeeWee Herman should be playing in the NFL. Maybe they tnink they should have guys that can run fast, be strong, and be tall.
So, what you are saying is that the NFL is wrong in doing these combine tests because it in no way test "football skills".
Well, why don't you take that up with the NFL and tell them that they are doing things wrong. That they should do things the Vagitron way.
I further made the statement that the Browns receivers have not as yet fully developed their Wide Receiver skills; that the Steeler WRs probably at this point have more experience and thus more skills. But I also said that Gordon and Little had great potential, probably more than Sanders/Brown. And I now say that if these guys were just big guys that could run and be strong, but who couldn't play football...then no NFL GM would have picked them as second round draft picks if that is all they offered. But that GM...Tom Heckert in this case, did just that because he saw the potential in their skills.
And, you know what? I am going to trust Heckert's judgment more than I trust yours. These guys have potential, they have budding skills.
And we Browns fas see that. Other NFL teams see that. NFL commentators see that.
Apparently ONLY you don't see it.
So,yes, you are obtuse. And unlike Warden Norton of Shawshank Prison, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. (and probably unlike Warden Norton, it fits in your case)
So, go back to being a dumb jock...which apparently is what you were trying to convince me you are, and let us nerds with brains do the thinking.
And another word of free advice: don't go mud wresting with a hog. The hog likes it and all you do is get filthy.
First off...who gives a flying fuck about what you did or didn't do. You are just another dumbass Steeler fan to everyone on this board, so you personal failures or successes are irrelevent.
What I do on here is where I am far more of a master at than you.
I make statements, and I back them up logically with facts. That is my profession.
Your profession as far as anyone else is concerned is to whine about the logic.
I made a statement: Gordon/Little were bigger/stronger/faster than the Steeler pair.
That fact was proven by me with statistical data.
But now you are jumping up and down like the Wild Man from Borneo stating that height/weight/speed/strength don't mean anything.
But...if, according to you, these combine stats don't mean anything, then why does the NFL test them?
Maybe because they, unlike you, do not think that PeeWee Herman should be playing in the NFL. Maybe they tnink they should have guys that can run fast, be strong, and be tall.
So, what you are saying is that the NFL is wrong in doing these combine tests because it in no way test "football skills".
Well, why don't you take that up with the NFL and tell them that they are doing things wrong. That they should do things the Vagitron way.
I further made the statement that the Browns receivers have not as yet fully developed their Wide Receiver skills; that the Steeler WRs probably at this point have more experience and thus more skills. But I also said that Gordon and Little had great potential, probably more than Sanders/Brown. And I now say that if these guys were just big guys that could run and be strong, but who couldn't play football...then no NFL GM would have picked them as second round draft picks if that is all they offered. But that GM...Tom Heckert in this case, did just that because he saw the potential in their skills.
And, you know what? I am going to trust Heckert's judgment more than I trust yours. These guys have potential, they have budding skills.
And we Browns fas see that. Other NFL teams see that. NFL commentators see that.
Apparently ONLY you don't see it.
So,yes, you are obtuse. And unlike Warden Norton of Shawshank Prison, there ain't a damn thing you can do about it. (and probably unlike Warden Norton, it fits in your case)
So, go back to being a dumb jock...which apparently is what you were trying to convince me you are, and let us nerds with brains do the thinking.
And another word of free advice: don't go mud wresting with a hog. The hog likes it and all you do is get filthy.
Gipper you fucking ramble man. I didn't even read beyond the first paragraph because I'm certain it's more of your usual psycho babble. I mentioned my ability because while the speed and the explosion helped it's NOT why i was a good athlete. You said basically this, "Oh well they're tall, they're fast clearly they're amazing athletes". I was a great athlete because of those things but more importantly hand eye coordination and body control. All of which doesn't always guarantee it will translate to an organized sport. Bottom line your "combine olympic" statements mean only so much and that was my point. Alfred Morris check his combine numbers, Doug Martin as well. Two recent examples but if you want I can go back through several combines and flag a bunch of players that really put it together on the field but didn't have great combine numbers or the best physical intangibles. You may not give a damn about my athletic prowess in the same way I don't give a shit about what you do for a living. Seeing as you are I believe an attorney you'd think your arguments would be more iron clad. Instead you just babble on and on and drop a bunch of stats no one gives a damn about. Bottom line if you were a GM and didn't have college tape to look at guys like Morris and Martin would have been off your radar. Soooo Gip continue to post your random stats no one cares about, your trivia no one cares about and your movie references for the sake of being cute.
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Browns > Cribbs and you no longer have Cribbs. You putting that special teams designation on Dawson? Suisham didn't have a bad year last I checked. Kruger can't play the run, you still don't win out at linebacker, especially if Woodley gets back to form. As far as the offensive line is concerned I believe that will shift to the Steelers this season and Heath Miller is the most complete tight end in the NFL. He's better than Watson that isn't a Wash and Watson is on his way out now isn't he? Let's also not forget how many top 10 draft picks you've had in Cleveland and how many losing seasons after those draft picks. Bottom line playing "paper football" only goes so far. Everyone was ready for the Browns to turn the corner last season and look what happened. You're drafting inside the top 10 again.
benjamin will be our return guy and who knows if a cb we pick up might not be able to do that as well. dawson was solid yes but it's time to put him out to pasture.
don't worry about out TE position, turner will make sure we are set there, so yea it's still a wash. your LB corp will NO WAY be as good as ours this year. NO WAY.
as far as drafting top 10, i'll take it any day.
benjamin will be our return guy and who knows if a cb we pick up might not be able to do that as well. dawson was solid yes but it's time to put him out to pasture.
don't worry about out TE position, turner will make sure we are set there, so yea it's still a wash. your LB corp will NO WAY be as good as ours this year. NO WAY.
as far as drafting top 10, i'll take it any day.
1. Why the hell would you use your stud corner to return kicks and punts?
2. Why would you think Joe Haden would be better suited to do that than Antonio Brown who was returning punts/kicks
3. I'm also not worried about your tight end position. We have a very proven, rock solid one in Miller. (as long as he recovers nicely from this injury, not a guarantee)
Steelers special teams > Browns special teams.
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benjamin will be our return guy and who knows if a cb we pick up might not be able to do that as well. dawson was solid yes but it's time to put him out to pasture.
don't worry about out TE position, turner will make sure we are set there, so yea it's still a wash. your LB corp will NO WAY be as good as ours this year. NO WAY.
as far as drafting top 10, i'll take it any day.
1. Why the hell would you use your stud corner to return kicks and punts?
2. Why would you think Joe Haden would be better suited to do that than Antonio Brown who was returning punts/kicks
3. I'm also not worried about your tight end position. We have a very proven, rock solid one in Miller. (as long as he recovers nicely from this injury, not a guarantee)
Steelers special teams > Browns special teams.
1. Why the hell would you use your stud corner to return kicks and punts?
2. Why would you think Joe Haden would be better suited to do that than Antonio Brown who was returning punts/kicks
3. I'm also not worried about your tight end position. We have a very proven, rock solid one in Miller. (as long as he recovers nicely from this injury, not a guarantee)
Steelers special teams > Browns special teams.
i never said we would use haden to return kicks or returns. someone else said that. i said we might acquire one (cb) that could do both. like it's never been done before?
sanders did it. jones did it. need i go on?
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benjamin will be our return guy and who knows if a cb we pick up might not be able to do that as well. dawson was solid yes but it's time to put him out to pasture.
don't worry about out TE position, turner will make sure we are set there, so yea it's still a wash. your LB corp will NO WAY be as good as ours this year. NO WAY.
as far as drafting top 10, i'll take it any day.
1. Why the hell would you use your stud corner to return kicks and punts?
2. Why would you think Joe Haden would be better suited to do that than Antonio Brown who was returning punts/kicks
3. I'm also not worried about your tight end position. We have a very proven, rock solid one in Miller. (as long as he recovers nicely from this injury, not a guarantee)
Steelers special teams > Browns special teams.
1. Why the hell would you use your stud corner to return kicks and punts?
2. Why would you think Joe Haden would be better suited to do that than Antonio Brown who was returning punts/kicks
3. I'm also not worried about your tight end position. We have a very proven, rock solid one in Miller. (as long as he recovers nicely from this injury, not a guarantee)
Steelers special teams > Browns special teams.
It's hard to take you seriously when you fail to read. He never mentioned Haden during his post. He talked of ACQUIRING a CB. There are plenty of CBs that have returned kicks over the years. Look them up.
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