Senate Democrats Vote To Provide Obamacare To Illegal Aliens Under Immigration Plan
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It's an unwelcome consequence of bipartisan ship.
Since Republicans and Democrats will likely be pretty close on the immigration issue the Democrats are going to necessarily have to go much harder left to keep control of the issue.
I don't think the general public will be happy with that but the Hispanic population most certainly will.
And that's the idea, locking in your core group.
WSS
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While I don't agree with giving them anything for free, the fact of the matter is they're here, they will attempt to take advantage of the hospital system legal or not, and what are doctors going to do? Turn away someone having a stroke or a heart attack? It's unlikely. If no one's paying for that it will drive your premiums through the roof. Yes or no?
If you put them in a prison for being illegal now you're not only paying for health care but also room, board and food, yes or no?
So what's the solution then? Deportation doesn't work, at least not permanently, so what's your solution? Round them up and stick them in gas chambers?
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While I don't agree with giving them anything for free, the fact of the matter is they're here, they will attempt to take advantage of the hospital system legal or not, and what are doctors going to do? Turn away someone having a stroke or a heart attack? It's unlikely. If no one's paying for that it will drive your premiums through the roof. Yes or no?
If you put them in a prison for being illegal now you're not only paying for health care but also room, board and food, yes or no?
So what's the solution then? Deportation doesn't work, at least not permanently, so what's your solution? Round them up and stick them in gas chambers?
While I don't agree with giving them anything for free, the fact of the matter is they're here, they will attempt to take advantage of the hospital system legal or not, and what are doctors going to do? Turn away someone having a stroke or a heart attack? It's unlikely. If no one's paying for that it will drive your premiums through the roof. Yes or no?
If you put them in a prison for being illegal now you're not only paying for health care but also room, board and food, yes or no?
So what's the solution then? Deportation doesn't work, at least not permanently, so what's your solution? Round them up and stick them in gas chambers?
Enforce the laws. Strengthen the border. Let local law enforcement enforce federal immigration laws like the sheriff in AZ who keeps getting messed with by the Obama admin. I guess just give in an let them have their way is your solution.
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Cysko, So you don't want to give anything away for free?
Too bad, we will.
I don't have a solution other than to live with the changes.
I would say the correct answer is die hards answer. Enforce the law.
But by enforcing the law you will lose the voting bloc.
So the law will no longer be, well the law.
So, as Americans, our hands are tied.
The 15,000,000 illegals aren't going anywhere and the legal immigrants are fine with that.
This is yet another situation were people think history began 10 years ago.
People come here 1 way or the other because their home country sucks.
And since it was probably a struggle just to stay alive there they are amazed that a little hard work pays off so well in America.
Look at the demographic change over the last couple 100 years.
WSS
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How much you fellas reckon it would cost to
A: find all the illegals
B: round them up and deport them
post a sufficient guard to keep them out indefinitely? You think it would cost less or more than obamacare?
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Hey, they could use those FEMA camps before Obamao uses them to corral white people !
(yes, Carter was stupid, Clinton was a liar, and Obamao is a lazy marxist somebeech).
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Hey, they could use those FEMA camps before Obamao uses them to corral white people !
(yes, Carter was stupid, Clinton was a liar, and Obamao is a lazy marxist somebeech).
Hey, they could use those FEMA camps before Obamao uses them to corral white people !
(yes, Carter was stupid, Clinton was a liar, and Obamao is a lazy marxist somebeech).
Oh shit, really? Were all going to fema death camps eh? Well he better get on top of it, he's only got til 2016.
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I agree the illegals ( save illegal criminals) are here to stay anyway.
why not get them paying taxes as quickly as possible?
there is a big hole missing in the workforce to take care of the boomers retirement...
thanks to abortion
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I agree the illegals ( save illegal criminals) are here to stay anyway.
why not get them paying taxes as quickly as possible?
there is a big hole missing in the workforce to take care of the boomers retirement...
thanks to abortion
I agree the illegals ( save illegal criminals) are here to stay anyway.
why not get them paying taxes as quickly as possible?
there is a big hole missing in the workforce to take care of the boomers retirement...
thanks to abortion
I agree. They are already here, and are determined to be here. Get them on board and paying taxes now rather than sending them back and having to do it ad infinitum.
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Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.
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Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.
Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.
Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.
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Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.
Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.
Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.
Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.
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if we / you were of the conservative ilk, we might see an opportunity to empower the hard working, self starter type people groups ?
thats a question thats above my pay grade....
but its not only for the illegals...
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Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.
Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.
Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.
The difference was a change in policy in allowing immigrants to the country. we should be encouraging them to show up and work hard in this country it is how we were founded. I see this as a parallel to our misguided policy on drugs, the drugs are here and will always be here why bother fighting it. Embrace them and use it to your advantage. I can not fault someone for leaving some 2nd or 3rd world hole and trying to do better for their family, especially when my own family benefited in the exact same way.
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Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.
Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.
Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.
You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.
I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.
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Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.
You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.
I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.
You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.
I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.
Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.
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You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.
I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.
Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.
Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.
You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.
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1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.
2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.
Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....
that makes sense to anybody?
The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.
I mean, come on, people.....
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Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.
You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.
You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.
Yeah just making a further statement off of your own. And stating I really don't find any fault in them being here. They are coming here because they would rather try and live illegally under our laws then die under what is basically rule of cartel law. I would make the same decision.
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1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.
2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.
Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....
that makes sense to anybody?
The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.
I mean, come on, people.....
1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.
2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.
Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....
that makes sense to anybody?
The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.
I mean, come on, people.....
What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.
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