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  • F FairHooker11

    I agree the illegals ( save illegal criminals) are here to stay anyway.

    why not get them paying taxes as quickly as possible?

    there is a big hole missing in the workforce to take care of the boomers retirement...

    thanks to abortion

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    @fairhooker11 said:

    I agree the illegals ( save illegal criminals) are here to stay anyway.

    why not get them paying taxes as quickly as possible?

    there is a big hole missing in the workforce to take care of the boomers retirement...

    thanks to abortion

    I agree. They are already here, and are determined to be here. Get them on board and paying taxes now rather than sending them back and having to do it ad infinitum.

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      Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.

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        @diehardbrownsfan said:

        Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.

        Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          Having lived in an area with an extremely large illegal population, I want them out. Obviously most of you live in areas with little or no illegal population. I lived in Manassas, VA which looks like a suburb of Tijuana, Mexico. Apartments with 20 people or more living in a unit. 30-50 people standing on corners drinking beer and pissing on the side of buildings. Harassing women. Driving drunk without insurance. You might change your views in that situation. Most of the work they did was painting, lawn care and menial carpentry labor, and not very good. So I doubt they will take over for the retiring baby boomers.

          Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.

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          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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          @nunboy said:

          Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.

          Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

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            F FairHooker11 wrote on last edited by
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            if we / you were of the conservative ilk, we might see an opportunity to empower the hard working, self starter type people groups ?

            thats a question thats above my pay grade....

            but its not only for the illegals...

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              @nunboy said:

              Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.

              Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

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              @diehardbrownsfan said:

              Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

              The difference was a change in policy in allowing immigrants to the country. we should be encouraging them to show up and work hard in this country it is how we were founded. I see this as a parallel to our misguided policy on drugs, the drugs are here and will always be here why bother fighting it. Embrace them and use it to your advantage. I can not fault someone for leaving some 2nd or 3rd world hole and trying to do better for their family, especially when my own family benefited in the exact same way.

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                @nunboy said:

                Its kind of the lifestyle we are forcing on them. can't get insurance because by doing so you out yourself. can't get a legit job because you would out yourself. cant get a decent house because you could possibly out yourself. I am not saying all that would go away but it can only help to get those who are motivated to help themselves. My family Came here with nothing from Poland in the late 30's running from a horrible situation, and they started out on pretty much the same foot. But within two generations we were exactly like the rest of middle class America.

                Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

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                @diehardbrownsfan said:

                Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

                You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

                I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

                Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                  @diehardbrownsfan said:

                  Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

                  You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

                  I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

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                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                  You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

                  I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

                  Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

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                    @the-cysko-kid said:

                    You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

                    I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

                    Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

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                    @nunboy said:

                    Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

                    You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.

                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                      1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                      2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                      Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                      that makes sense to anybody?

                      The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                      I mean, come on, people.....😠

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                        @nunboy said:

                        Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

                        You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.

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                        N nunboy wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                        You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.

                        Yeah just making a further statement off of your own. And stating I really don't find any fault in them being here. They are coming here because they would rather try and live illegally under our laws then die under what is basically rule of cartel law. I would make the same decision.

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                          1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                          2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                          Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                          that makes sense to anybody?

                          The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                          I mean, come on, people.....😠

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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                          2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                          Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                          that makes sense to anybody?

                          The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                          I mean, come on, people.....😠

                          What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

                          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                            1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                            2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                            Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                            that makes sense to anybody?

                            The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                            I mean, come on, people.....😠

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                            N nunboy wrote on last edited by
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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                            2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                            Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                            that makes sense to anybody?

                            The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                            I mean, come on, people.....😠

                            The cartels are founded on money brought in by drugs. If we internalize that money by taking it away and making them legal they are no longer able to fund what basically amounts to an army. we seen the exact same thing with prohibition. And I will never be on the side of taking away guns, just look at the poor bastards in Mexico unable to defend themselves from those who have no regard for law.

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                              2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                              Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                              that makes sense to anybody?

                              The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                              I mean, come on, people.....😠

                              What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

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                              What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

                              Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

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                                Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                                  What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

                                  Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

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                                  @nunboy said:

                                  Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

                                  There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                                  Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

                                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                    Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

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                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                                    Hey bub, half our legal citizens have no interest in being productive. People are lazy, tell me something I don't know.

                                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                                      Hey bub, half our legal citizens have no interest in being productive. People are lazy, tell me something I don't know.

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                                      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                      @the-cysko-kid said:

                                      Hey bub, half our legal citizens have no interest in being productive. People are lazy, tell me something I don't know.

                                      You have a point there.

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                                        Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

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                                        N nunboy wrote on last edited by
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                                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                        Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                                        There are plenty of people born in this country who have no interest in bettering themselves, and couldn't care less about the US, and whose only interest is collecting the next government paid check. I will not use that as a barometer of how the majority of people feel, Then use that to discount those who have drive.

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                                          @nunboy said:

                                          Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

                                          There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                                          Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

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                                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                                          There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                                          Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

                                          With the exception that we actually make money in taxes paid and jobs created in the use/abuse of pharmaceuticals.

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