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  • T The Cysko Kid

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Forcing on them? They came here illegally. No one forced them to come. My grandparents from my fathers side came from Croatia, legally. I don't see awarding criminals with benefits sorry.

    You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

    I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

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    @the-cysko-kid said:

    You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

    I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

    Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

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      @the-cysko-kid said:

      You know almost all our ancestors came here illegally. And you know, the blacks, their ancestors came here illegally too. Like, really illegally. We illegally settled and then just took over Texas. I'm sure plenty of other border states too. So, the righteous fury stuff is a little misplaced. We have to find a solution that integrates them because its really not going away.

      I suppose we could just annex all of Mexico.

      Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

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      T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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      @nunboy said:

      Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

      You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.

      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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        C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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        1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

        2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

        Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

        that makes sense to anybody?

        The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

        I mean, come on, people.....😠

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        • T The Cysko Kid

          @nunboy said:

          Mexico is a problem largely of our own doing. Criminal cartels run that country and field armies based on the cash of our drug policies. I don't blame people wanting to leave there en masse. Lets see live where I can be beheaded simply for existing or saying the wrong thing, or run away to a place where the worst that happens is I get deported and am for the most part treated as a human.

          You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.

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          N nunboy wrote on last edited by
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          @the-cysko-kid said:

          You don't have to convince me. They routinely find 50 decapitated bodies at a whack on the side of the road there. Much as its a beautiful destination, down in yucatan, ill be taking my vacations elsewhere for, most likely, forever.

          Yeah just making a further statement off of your own. And stating I really don't find any fault in them being here. They are coming here because they would rather try and live illegally under our laws then die under what is basically rule of cartel law. I would make the same decision.

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          • C calfoxwc

            1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

            2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

            Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

            that makes sense to anybody?

            The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

            I mean, come on, people.....😠

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            T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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            @calfoxwc said:

            1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

            2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

            Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

            that makes sense to anybody?

            The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

            I mean, come on, people.....😠

            What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

            Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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            • C calfoxwc

              1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

              2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

              Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

              that makes sense to anybody?

              The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

              I mean, come on, people.....😠

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              N nunboy wrote on last edited by
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              @calfoxwc said:

              1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

              2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

              Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

              that makes sense to anybody?

              The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

              I mean, come on, people.....😠

              The cartels are founded on money brought in by drugs. If we internalize that money by taking it away and making them legal they are no longer able to fund what basically amounts to an army. we seen the exact same thing with prohibition. And I will never be on the side of taking away guns, just look at the poor bastards in Mexico unable to defend themselves from those who have no regard for law.

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              • T The Cysko Kid

                @calfoxwc said:

                1. There was no law in place that said you can't explore and come to N. America. America didn't exist yet.

                2. Mexico is an example of NOT fighting against drugs. They take over, and all hell brakes loose.

                Legalizing drugs and making guns illegal....

                that makes sense to anybody?

                The cartels would take over here, and they would have guns.

                I mean, come on, people.....😠

                What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

                Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

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                  DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                  Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                  "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                    @the-cysko-kid said:

                    What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned either legalizing drugs or making guns illegal.

                    Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

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                    T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                    @nunboy said:

                    Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

                    There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                    Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

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                      T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                      Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                      Hey bub, half our legal citizens have no interest in being productive. People are lazy, tell me something I don't know.

                      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      • T The Cysko Kid

                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                        Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                        Hey bub, half our legal citizens have no interest in being productive. People are lazy, tell me something I don't know.

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                        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                        Hey bub, half our legal citizens have no interest in being productive. People are lazy, tell me something I don't know.

                        You have a point there.

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                        • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

                          Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

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                          N nunboy wrote on last edited by
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                          @diehardbrownsfan said:

                          Sorry, most of the illegals here have no desire to stay and become productive citizens. There are numerous gangs here from Central America. Most of the illegals are young men. They could care less about the United States or you. You all are really naive.

                          There are plenty of people born in this country who have no interest in bettering themselves, and couldn't care less about the US, and whose only interest is collecting the next government paid check. I will not use that as a barometer of how the majority of people feel, Then use that to discount those who have drive.

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                          • T The Cysko Kid

                            @nunboy said:

                            Oh I will push for legalizing drugs. Making them illegal has not curbed the usage in the US. They are still here, and rather than taxing them we throw money into a hole in the vain attempt to try and legislate morality. Meanwhile destabilizing our immediate neighbors to our detriment.

                            There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                            Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

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                            @the-cysko-kid said:

                            There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                            Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

                            With the exception that we actually make money in taxes paid and jobs created in the use/abuse of pharmaceuticals.

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                              @the-cysko-kid said:

                              There's legal drugs for every illegal one. Adderall is essentially meth/ similar to cocaine

                              Oxycodone is similar to heroin. Both legal as you say, but hasn't curbed illegal use at all. If you could just buy them from the roebuck catalog like in the old days it might make a dent in it.

                              With the exception that we actually make money in taxes paid and jobs created in the use/abuse of pharmaceuticals.

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                              @nunboy said:

                              With the exception that we actually make money in taxes paid and jobs created in the use/abuse of pharmaceuticals.

                              Yeah but what you'd need to get rid of illegal drugs is full de-regulation on them. No more schedules, no more prescriptions. Just flat out legal drugs. Not going to happen. Youd have half the country hooked on smack.

                              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                @nunboy said:

                                With the exception that we actually make money in taxes paid and jobs created in the use/abuse of pharmaceuticals.

                                Yeah but what you'd need to get rid of illegal drugs is full de-regulation on them. No more schedules, no more prescriptions. Just flat out legal drugs. Not going to happen. Youd have half the country hooked on smack.

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                                @the-cysko-kid said:

                                Yeah but what you'd need to get rid of illegal drugs is full de-regulation on them. No more schedules, no more prescriptions. Just flat out legal drugs. Not going to happen. Youd have half the country hooked on smack.

                                we already have a country full of methheads and potheads and cokeheads and pillheads and, and, and you get the point. at least with taxation you can fund rehab programs rather than pissing in the wind, and burning money in a hole trying to stop the problem. We need a more Progressive approach to the problem because the current solution is not working.

                                Did we become a nation of alcoholics when prohibition was repealed?

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                                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                                  Yeah but what you'd need to get rid of illegal drugs is full de-regulation on them. No more schedules, no more prescriptions. Just flat out legal drugs. Not going to happen. Youd have half the country hooked on smack.

                                  we already have a country full of methheads and potheads and cokeheads and pillheads and, and, and you get the point. at least with taxation you can fund rehab programs rather than pissing in the wind, and burning money in a hole trying to stop the problem. We need a more Progressive approach to the problem because the current solution is not working.

                                  Did we become a nation of alcoholics when prohibition was repealed?

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                                  T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                                  @nunboy said:

                                  we already have a country full of methheads and potheads and cokeheads and pillheads and, and, and you get the point. at least with taxation you can fund rehab programs rather than pissing in the wind, and burning money in a hole trying to stop the problem. We need a more Progressive approach to the problem because the current solution is not working.

                                  Did we become a nation of alcoholics when prohibition was repealed?

                                  I guess another question would be how many more people with addictive personalities would try it if it weren't illegal.

                                  I wonder what the numbers are in a.a. vs n.a.?

                                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                    @nunboy said:

                                    we already have a country full of methheads and potheads and cokeheads and pillheads and, and, and you get the point. at least with taxation you can fund rehab programs rather than pissing in the wind, and burning money in a hole trying to stop the problem. We need a more Progressive approach to the problem because the current solution is not working.

                                    Did we become a nation of alcoholics when prohibition was repealed?

                                    I guess another question would be how many more people with addictive personalities would try it if it weren't illegal.

                                    I wonder what the numbers are in a.a. vs n.a.?

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                                    @the-cysko-kid said:

                                    I guess another question would be how many more people with addictive personalities would try it if it weren't illegal.

                                    I wonder what the numbers are in a.a. vs n.a.?

                                    I can't say since we havn't crossed that road with drugs, but the numbers for alcohol are largely foggy with both sides claiming positive. Seems to be about the same with periods of up and down, but I can't state that as fact(since alcohol was illegal they could no longer track sales and had to use secondary means for data). But I can state that the repeal was based on the negative side effects of prohibition. No regulation meant that unscrupulous individuals could cut corners with their product as they saw fit. criminals would use force to cut out territories for the sale of their illegal product, using the illegal money to fuel other criminal enterprises and that the demand never went away. I guess the point is that you can cut the supply but you will still have the demand, and someone will step up to meet that demand.

                                    It was pot stills in the woods then and Meth labs in hotel rooms now.

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