The Next Cam Newton?
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/04/florida_state_qb_ej_manuel_get.html
This close to the draft there is always a flurry of off the wall rumors and what if scenarios due to the fact that we're all bored with the same story lines we've been mulling over for months now. I don't view this as a realistic possibility, but if Chudz and Norv honestly believe EJ to be the next Newton, we could have a surprising draft on our hands. what do you guys think? mostly I just wanted to get a fresh thread out there without rehashing the same old mocks we've been seeing all year
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No. His abillity to read the field fast enough in the pros is questionable, so "they" say. I imagine
he would pick it up ...but at SIX? Nope.
Outside of that, he;s pretty highly regarded.. but he wouldn't start for a couple of years, I think.
Maybe in a big tradedown package.
They'll trade down if Milliner is there, because the extra picks, especially in this draft in the second round, plus
a lower first pick, would be more of an impact than anybody they can nab with the sixth overall. I like Milliner,
but maybe he'd be there a few? picks later? Who knows....
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New ownership, new coaching staff, makes it a pretty safe bet that the Browns want to draft a QB high in the draft, especially since Chud is not enamored with Weeden. Weeden was an aweful pick for you guys last year, just aweful. Kirk Cousins in the 3rd round would've been so much better. I can see you going with Manuel with the 6th pick overall, but I can also see Philly selecting him if Jacksonville takes Smith. You could probably trade down to #11 or #12 and still get Manuel, but Buffalo (and to a lesser extent Arizona) still have an interest in a QB. Picking up a second round pick and still getting Manuel would take some of the sting out wasting a first rounder on Weeden last year.
Personally I don't think there's any QBs that really stand out this year. If my franchise was in dire need for a new signal caller, I wouldn't want them to invest a first rounder in Smith or Manuel. A second rounder for sure, just not a first rounder. If left with the choice between Milliner or Manuel, I'd want Milliner.
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New ownership, new coaching staff, makes it a pretty safe bet that the Browns want to draft a QB high in the draft, especially since Chud is not enamored with Weeden. Weeden was an aweful pick for you guys last year, just aweful. Kirk Cousins in the 3rd round would've been so much better. I can see you going with Manuel with the 6th pick overall, but I can also see Philly selecting him if Jacksonville takes Smith. You could probably trade down to #11 or #12 and still get Manuel, but Buffalo (and to a lesser extent Arizona) still have an interest in a QB. Picking up a second round pick and still getting Manuel would take some of the sting out wasting a first rounder on Weeden last year.
Personally I don't think there's any QBs that really stand out this year. If my franchise was in dire need for a new signal caller, I wouldn't want them to invest a first rounder in Smith or Manuel. A second rounder for sure, just not a first rounder. If left with the choice between Milliner or Manuel, I'd want Milliner.
Endymion said:
New ownership, new coaching staff, makes it a pretty safe bet that the Browns want to draft a QB high in the draft, especially since Chud is not enamored with Weeden. Weeden was an aweful pick for you guys last year, just aweful. Kirk Cousins in the 3rd round would've been so much better. I can see you going with Manuel with the 6th pick overall, but I can also see Philly selecting him if Jacksonville takes Smith. You could probably trade down to #11 or #12 and still get Manuel, but Buffalo (and to a lesser extent Arizona) still have an interest in a QB. Picking up a second round pick and still getting Manuel would take some of the sting out wasting a first rounder on Weeden last year.
Personally I don't think there's any QBs that really stand out this year. If my franchise was in dire need for a new signal caller, I wouldn't want them to invest a first rounder in Smith or Manuel. A second rounder for sure, just not a first rounder. If left with the choice between Milliner or Manuel, I'd want Milliner.
Not sure where you are getting your info....Chud likes Weeden very much. Chud has gone to bat against Weeden. It was Lombardi who didn't like Weeden.....and, truthfully, the only reason he doesn't like him is because he had made a snap judgment about him when he was writing articles for NFL.com or whereever he worked for.
Lombardi is too venal to admit a mistake...but Chud seems to have enough influence on Joe Banner to have him tell Lombardi to STFU over Weeden.
That does not mean that Chud does not also like Manuel....but...he has to be of a mind that this team has much bigger needs....like the defensive backfield.
I think if the Browns take a QB it will be a developmental type guy in the late round...6 or 7.
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Please God no. I had an opportunity to watch several FSU games this year and he's just not that good. People are praising him for arm strength, athleticism and measures but every game I've watched he was extremely erratic. A lot of passes sailed high and he was awful at reading the blitz. He just isn't franchise QB material. I heard that in a stronger QB draft he'd easily be a 4th-5th round prospect. He's a project QB that's gonna go WAY too high, I'm just hoping the Browns don't bite.
Edit: Here's a much better summary: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013emanuel.php
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No way, not in the first or second at least. Crumbles under pressure and can't handle a decent D. Look at the Florida game.
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No way, not in the first or second at least. Crumbles under pressure and can't handle a decent D. Look at the Florida game.
No way, not in the first or second at least. Crumbles under pressure and can't handle a decent D. Look at the Florida game.
He still accumulated 3 TD's that game, which is more than any QB we currently have can say.
At this point, I just want a guy that can score. If it Weeden, great. If its Campbell, great. If its Manuel, Smith, Bray, Nassib, etc...great.
Let's just generate some motherfucking offense already.
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Endymion said:
New ownership, new coaching staff, makes it a pretty safe bet that the Browns want to draft a QB high in the draft, especially since Chud is not enamored with Weeden. Weeden was an aweful pick for you guys last year, just aweful. Kirk Cousins in the 3rd round would've been so much better. I can see you going with Manuel with the 6th pick overall, but I can also see Philly selecting him if Jacksonville takes Smith. You could probably trade down to #11 or #12 and still get Manuel, but Buffalo (and to a lesser extent Arizona) still have an interest in a QB. Picking up a second round pick and still getting Manuel would take some of the sting out wasting a first rounder on Weeden last year.
Personally I don't think there's any QBs that really stand out this year. If my franchise was in dire need for a new signal caller, I wouldn't want them to invest a first rounder in Smith or Manuel. A second rounder for sure, just not a first rounder. If left with the choice between Milliner or Manuel, I'd want Milliner.
Not sure where you are getting your info....Chud likes Weeden very much. Chud has gone to bat against Weeden. It was Lombardi who didn't like Weeden.....and, truthfully, the only reason he doesn't like him is because he had made a snap judgment about him when he was writing articles for NFL.com or whereever he worked for.
Lombardi is too venal to admit a mistake...but Chud seems to have enough influence on Joe Banner to have him tell Lombardi to STFU over Weeden.
That does not mean that Chud does not also like Manuel....but...he has to be of a mind that this team has much bigger needs....like the defensive backfield.
I think if the Browns take a QB it will be a developmental type guy in the late round...6 or 7.
Not sure where you are getting your info....Chud likes Weeden very much. Chud has gone to bat against Weeden. It was Lombardi who didn't like Weeden.....
You mean gone to bat "for" Weeden? Prior to the start of free agency I read an article that Chud wasn't enamored by Weeden that talked about bringing Derek Anderson back to compete for a starters role. I don't read Cleveland's newspapers or haven't seen anything on ESPNs gazillion NFL programs stating Chud's fully behind Weeden either. In general, all coaches prefer to have "their guy" calling the shots and EJ Manuel appears to be similar to the guy Chud had alot of success with.
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Not sure where you are getting your info....Chud likes Weeden very much. Chud has gone to bat against Weeden. It was Lombardi who didn't like Weeden.....
You mean gone to bat "for" Weeden? Prior to the start of free agency I read an article that Chud wasn't enamored by Weeden that talked about bringing Derek Anderson back to compete for a starters role. I don't read Cleveland's newspapers or haven't seen anything on ESPNs gazillion NFL programs stating Chud's fully behind Weeden either. In general, all coaches prefer to have "their guy" calling the shots and EJ Manuel appears to be similar to the guy Chud had alot of success with.
Endymion said:
You mean gone to bat "for" Weeden? Prior to the start of free agency I read an article that Chud wasn't enamored by Weeden that talked about bringing Derek Anderson back to compete for a starters role. I don't read Cleveland's newspapers or haven't seen anything on ESPNs gazillion NFL programs stating Chud's fully behind Weeden either. In general, all coaches prefer to have "their guy" calling the shots and EJ Manuel appears to be similar to the guy Chud had alot of success with.
Yes, I meant to say "went to bat for against Lombardi".
It was when Chud started really studying BW3 and working with him that he started to like what he saw. The DA thing I believe was mere media speculation simply because Chud had worked with DA with 2 different teams....but honestly, that was never going to happen.
Chud says he likes what he sees in Manuel. That does not mean he is going to go gaga for him to get him in the draft.
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Endymion said:
You mean gone to bat "for" Weeden? Prior to the start of free agency I read an article that Chud wasn't enamored by Weeden that talked about bringing Derek Anderson back to compete for a starters role. I don't read Cleveland's newspapers or haven't seen anything on ESPNs gazillion NFL programs stating Chud's fully behind Weeden either. In general, all coaches prefer to have "their guy" calling the shots and EJ Manuel appears to be similar to the guy Chud had alot of success with.
Yes, I meant to say "went to bat for against Lombardi".
It was when Chud started really studying BW3 and working with him that he started to like what he saw. The DA thing I believe was mere media speculation simply because Chud had worked with DA with 2 different teams....but honestly, that was never going to happen.
Chud says he likes what he sees in Manuel. That does not mean he is going to go gaga for him to get him in the draft.
Yes, I meant to say "went to bat for against Lombardi".
It was when Chud started really studying BW3 and working with him that he started to like what he saw. The DA thing I believe was mere media speculation simply because Chud had worked with DA with 2 different teams....but honestly, that was never going to happen.
Chud says he likes what he sees in Manuel. That does not mean he is going to go gaga for him to get him in the draft.
Liking Weeden also doesn't mean he won't draft Manuel. It all comes down to who they think gives us a better chance to win.
If its Weeden, they'll stay with him. If its Campbell, they'll use him. If its Manuel, they'll pick him. You can bet that Weeden being a first round pick last season won't have much to do with it at all.
New regime, new players. I just hope they don't select a QB solely to distance themselves from the past regime.
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EJ Manuel isn't a running QB.
All black and athletic QBs aren't running QBs...
Look at their college stats their final seasons.
EJ had 103 attempts for 310 yards and 4 TDs
Newton had 264 attempts for 1473 yards and 20 TDs
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EJ Manuel isn't a running QB.
All black and athletic QBs aren't running QBs...
Look at their college stats their final seasons.
EJ had 103 attempts for 310 yards and 4 TDs
Newton had 264 attempts for 1473 yards and 20 TDs
EJ Manuel isn't a running QB.
All black and athletic QBs aren't running QBs...
Look at their college stats their final seasons.
EJ had 103 attempts for 310 yards and 4 TDs
Newton had 264 attempts for 1473 yards and 20 TDs
Exactly. He's a QB who can run, not a RB who can throw. I like the comparison to Ben Roethlisberger. Manuel claims to use his legs in order to extend the play, not necessarily to MAKE the play.
I think I've been pretty vocal in my support for Manuel from the get-go, but that doesn't mean I think we should take him at 6. If we can successfully complete a trade that enables us to move back only a couple spots and pick up a second rounder in the process, I think Manuel would be a great second round pick.
Honestly, I think he'll go in the first.
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Is everybody going insane. TCPO have you lost your fucking mind. If we draft a QB with 6th pick, or even trade down and pick one later in the first, I'm fucking done. There are NO great QBs in this draft, get an awesome player with the sixth pick and don't fuck this up!!!
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Is everybody going insane. TCPO have you lost your fucking mind. If we draft a QB with 6th pick, or even trade down and pick one later in the first, I'm fucking done. There are NO great QBs in this draft, get an awesome player with the sixth pick and don't fuck this up!!!
Is everybody going insane. TCPO have you lost your fucking mind. If we draft a QB with 6th pick, or even trade down and pick one later in the first, I'm fucking done. There are NO great QBs in this draft, get an awesome player with the sixth pick and don't fuck this up!!!
It makes no sense to draft a QB high this year. Weeden is built for Norv's offense, he is going to get a shot at it. Campbell is solid #2. This regime didn't draft Weeds, so they get a pass if he fails and they can draft their guy next year when, presumably, there is a better crop to pick from.
We took a first round QB last year and he fits our new system better than he did the old one. It's just not happeneing.
Zombo
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Is everybody going insane. TCPO have you lost your fucking mind. If we draft a QB with 6th pick, or even trade down and pick one later in the first, I'm fucking done. There are NO great QBs in this draft, get an awesome player with the sixth pick and don't fuck this up!!!
Is everybody going insane. TCPO have you lost your fucking mind. If we draft a QB with 6th pick, or even trade down and pick one later in the first, I'm fucking done. There are NO great QBs in this draft, get an awesome player with the sixth pick and don't fuck this up!!!
Internet rage. Preventing people from comprehending since 1999.
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I know I have said it before, but I wouldn't be suprised at all if we take a qb high in this draft. QB is the most important position on the team. The Browns have spent a whole lot of time doing their due dilligence on these top Qb's. When was the last time you remember our front office doing this much work evaluating QB's? If they really feel like one of them better than Weeden then they will take them. Turner knows Qb's better than any of us do, and Chud would likely defer to his opinion or at least give it serious weight. That is just logical. Those of you who were good at Geometry should get that. If you were good at Algebra you likely never will.
Those who say no way, or they would be DONE brace yourself just in case they love one of these guys. I personally cannot see how taking one of these guys is a bad move if they work out. I am going to trust our FO and coaches to work together as a team (like they said) to build this team this year and if they screw it up then lets all be pissed. I have seen nothing thus far that makes me think that they will screw up. Cam Newton was a good pick, Rivers was a pretty good pick. Drew Brees (OC-Turner year he was drafted). Coached up Troy Aikman in Dallas. And While Ken Dorsey didn't work out in the pro's Chud coached him to a pretty damn good college career in Miami. So why all the hubub about them being stupid if they do this.
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I want to know how people can say anyone who was down on Weeden made a mistake?
People are acting like this guy solidified himself as our franchise QB.
If we take Manuel at 6, it's not the ideal pick but honestly I wouldn't be mad. I'd rather take Milliner or a pass rusher.
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No way we pass on a CB in the 1st. If we do trade down and get a 2nd E.J. will be gone by then. We need our CB and FS before we even think of a QB this year. Im am thinking a QB in the 4th, maybe Glennon from nc state,http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/mike-glennon?id=2539275,.
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No way, not in the first or second at least. Crumbles under pressure and can't handle a decent D. Look at the Florida game.
He still accumulated 3 TD's that game, which is more than any QB we currently have can say.
At this point, I just want a guy that can score. If it Weeden, great. If its Campbell, great. If its Manuel, Smith, Bray, Nassib, etc...great.
Let's just generate some motherfucking offense already.
He still accumulated 3 TD's that game, which is more than any QB we currently have can say.
At this point, I just want a guy that can score. If it Weeden, great. If its Campbell, great. If its Manuel, Smith, Bray, Nassib, etc...great.
Let's just generate some motherfucking offense already.
can we call you PoG2?
uggh. fuck every QB in this draft.
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