Not A Surprise Here, I Guess?
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We didn't trade down and we didn't get honey badger and we didn't get rambo, if that's the biggest problem, we will be ok. We lost games last year by 7 or less, having a mediocre team. Haden being out really screwed us the first 4. We competed pretty good for what we had. Our Offense is 1 year better and healthy, and our D has great depth and pretty good pass rushers. If we didnt get Vaccaro or Reid at Fs the rest is a crap shoot. We got a 5' almost 10 db that is very good to go opposite Haden, and we Mingo to wreak havoc on QBs for years to come. We fucking stole Bess for a 4th round trade of picks. We also got a KR is Dion Lewis in a trade, we also have anther wr Wilson who caught 71 passes with the Bills the year before. We drafted some Oline depth and by the way we got Faulk Oline from LSU as a UDFA, who is a fucking beast. For once we have quality depth on Defense and on offense. You guys gotta let these guys show you something before you call them garbage. Go Browns!!
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ok i've tried to pin you down before, but obviously you are mr. clean character so i can't bet you a beer. but i'll bet you ten bucks that what you just said doesn't happen.
McFadden very likely to start game one, and from all reports Sgt Slaughter was a day 2 pick before his injury. If he comes back as good as he was then it's very believable that he could start by midseason. Not sure about the 7th rounders though!
McFadden very likely to start game one, and from all reports Sgt Slaughter was a day 2 pick before his injury. If he comes back as good as he was then it's very believable that he could start by midseason. Not sure about the 7th rounders though!
so you'll bet me a beer vs. what i said?
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McFadden very likely to start game one, and from all reports Sgt Slaughter was a day 2 pick before his injury. If he comes back as good as he was then it's very believable that he could start by midseason. Not sure about the 7th rounders though!
so you'll bet me a beer vs. what i said?
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We didn't trade down and we didn't get honey badger and we didn't get rambo, if that's the biggest problem, we will be ok. We lost games last year by 7 or less, having a mediocre team. Haden being out really screwed us the first 4. We competed pretty good for what we had. Our Offense is 1 year better and healthy, and our D has great depth and pretty good pass rushers. If we didnt get Vaccaro or Reid at Fs the rest is a crap shoot. We got a 5' almost 10 db that is very good to go opposite Haden, and we Mingo to wreak havoc on QBs for years to come. We fucking stole Bess for a 4th round trade of picks. We also got a KR is Dion Lewis in a trade, we also have anther wr Wilson who caught 71 passes with the Bills the year before. We drafted some Oline depth and by the way we got Faulk Oline from LSU as a UDFA, who is a fucking beast. For once we have quality depth on Defense and on offense. You guys gotta let these guys show you something before you call them garbage. Go Browns!!
We didn't trade down and we didn't get honey badger and we didn't get rambo, if that's the biggest problem, we will be ok. We lost games last year by 7 or less, having a mediocre team. Haden being out really screwed us the first 4. We competed pretty good for what we had. Our Offense is 1 year better and healthy, and our D has great depth and pretty good pass rushers. If we didnt get Vaccaro or Reid at Fs the rest is a crap shoot. We got a 5' almost 10 db that is very good to go opposite Haden, and we Mingo to wreak havoc on QBs for years to come. We fucking stole Bess for a 4th round trade of picks. We also got a KR is Dion Lewis in a trade, we also have anther wr Wilson who caught 71 passes with the Bills the year before. We drafted some Oline depth and by the way we got Faulk Oline from LSU as a UDFA, who is a fucking beast. For once we have quality depth on Defense and on offense. You guys gotta let these guys show you something before you call them garbage. Go Browns!!
see this is what pisses me off about you sunshine people. nobody said anyone was garbage. that's what you said. not me. then you say all you guys are doing is whining. no that's what's in YOUR mind.
i like mingo as a pick. ahead of millner....? in my book no. but i'm no GM and neither are you. so no probs.
let's talk about the fact that 'IF THE BROWNS FO DID" as a matter of record get a chance to move down to say 10-15ish slot and get a 2nd round pick, would you have done it? most draft pukeniks had mingo rated in just that range SO nobody is saying picking mingo #6 means mingo is garbage, it just means if he is garbage we coulda gotta a bag of that trash and added another in the second, maybe with some old cigs a sip of tango and a winning lotto ticket.
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I like the Mingo pick but with so many saying he is the "boom or bust" type well... I don't know how that could not make you nervous as a Browns fan.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
We didn't trade down and we didn't get honey badger and we didn't get rambo, if that's the biggest problem, we will be ok. We lost games last year by 7 or less, having a mediocre team. Haden being out really screwed us the first 4. We competed pretty good for what we had. Our Offense is 1 year better and healthy, and our D has great depth and pretty good pass rushers. If we didnt get Vaccaro or Reid at Fs the rest is a crap shoot. We got a 5' almost 10 db that is very good to go opposite Haden, and we Mingo to wreak havoc on QBs for years to come. We fucking stole Bess for a 4th round trade of picks. We also got a KR is Dion Lewis in a trade, we also have anther wr Wilson who caught 71 passes with the Bills the year before. We drafted some Oline depth and by the way we got Faulk Oline from LSU as a UDFA, who is a fucking beast. For once we have quality depth on Defense and on offense. You guys gotta let these guys show you something before you call them garbage. Go Browns!!
see this is what pisses me off about you sunshine people. nobody said anyone was garbage. that's what you said. not me. then you say all you guys are doing is whining. no that's what's in YOUR mind.
i like mingo as a pick. ahead of millner....? in my book no. but i'm no GM and neither are you. so no probs.
let's talk about the fact that 'IF THE BROWNS FO DID" as a matter of record get a chance to move down to say 10-15ish slot and get a 2nd round pick, would you have done it? most draft pukeniks had mingo rated in just that range SO nobody is saying picking mingo #6 means mingo is garbage, it just means if he is garbage we coulda gotta a bag of that trash and added another in the second, maybe with some old cigs a sip of tango and a winning lotto ticket.
see this is what pisses me off about you sunshine people. nobody said anyone was garbage. that's what you said. not me. then you say all you guys are doing is whining. no that's what's in YOUR mind.
i like mingo as a pick. ahead of millner....? in my book no. but i'm no GM and neither are you. so no probs.
let's talk about the fact that 'IF THE BROWNS FO DID" as a matter of record get a chance to move down to say 10-15ish slot and get a 2nd round pick, would you have done it? most draft pukeniks had mingo rated in just that range SO nobody is saying picking mingo #6 means mingo is garbage, it just means if he is garbage we coulda gotta a bag of that trash and added another in the second, maybe with some old cigs a sip of tango and a winning lotto ticket.
Not sunshine here man, just saying how people didn't like the draft because of who we got, and already trashing the new guys. Everyone is entitled an opinion and can want who they want, but to say who we got was a bad draft before any of these guys can perform is not a fair deal. They say others in our division got better, yes they did, they drafted players of need. The Bengals drafted Eiffert in the 1st round, is that a good pick, fuck yeah is because he is good. Do they need him, no they have Grisham, but they picked who they wanted and Im sure their fans wanted someone else and bitched about it because they wanted someone else, but at the end of the day they got a good player and so did we. If we had a trade down and got Mingo, then hell yeah I would have loved it. Lets be honest we could have used any of the players in the top 15, excluding the OTs. The fact is that we got MIngo, also not having a second is really a wash because we got Gordon last year for it, and he is going to be a good one. The accusing people of bitching is because of the day of the draft some ppl were talking the biggest shit about not getting Tyrann, and using CAPS making sure we all knew how pissed they were and then degraded every pick afterwards.
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Well before the draft I said the only thing guaranteed was disappointment
So we trade our 4th and 5th because they thought there was no talent? I'm sure there will be at least a few solid starters in the NFL from those rounds, and as of now it's hard to have a lot of faith that the Browns will make good use of the picks we aquired for next year.
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draft aside, bengals are now the best team in our division and we play to our potential we will compete with them for the title.
wow! the clouds are clearing and the sky is looking blue!
nah. just cracked a ltr of courvoisier.
still if weeds plays like HE Fing SHOULD we will be right there.
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I like the Mingo pick but with so many saying he is the "boom or bust" type well... I don't know how that could not make you nervous as a Browns fan.
I like the Mingo pick but with so many saying he is the "boom or bust" type well... I don't know how that could not make you nervous as a Browns fan.
We are so used to the bust factor that when you see a possibility of it then we assume thats whats going to happen. Any player in the top 10 can be a bust. Is not being an all pro left tackle in the AFC a bust? What do they gauge bust on, We have J. Thomas, who is the all pro in the AFC, if Fisher does not dethrone him, is he bad, same goes for Luke Joeckel. Only time will tell about Mingo and the rest of our guys. If Mingo gets 4-7 sacks as a rookie, I think thats pretty respectable, he should get more with Hortons Defense for sure though. I think we are going to surprise this year and win the division. Last year we more then held our own with less talent then this year on D, and we added some good players. We lost 6 games by 7 or less, and were out coached by a few more. We have some greats coaches this year that will coach these young guys up and put them in position to win more then last year.
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I like the Mingo pick but with so many saying he is the "boom or bust" type well... I don't know how that could not make you nervous as a Browns fan.
We are so used to the bust factor that when you see a possibility of it then we assume thats whats going to happen. Any player in the top 10 can be a bust. Is not being an all pro left tackle in the AFC a bust? What do they gauge bust on, We have J. Thomas, who is the all pro in the AFC, if Fisher does not dethrone him, is he bad, same goes for Luke Joeckel. Only time will tell about Mingo and the rest of our guys. If Mingo gets 4-7 sacks as a rookie, I think thats pretty respectable, he should get more with Hortons Defense for sure though. I think we are going to surprise this year and win the division. Last year we more then held our own with less talent then this year on D, and we added some good players. We lost 6 games by 7 or less, and were out coached by a few more. We have some greats coaches this year that will coach these young guys up and put them in position to win more then last year.
. If Mingo gets 4-7 sacks as a rookie, I think thats pretty respectable, he should get more with Hortons Defense for sure though.
That's setting the bar a little low for me, numbers aren't anything but is it too much to ask for a top ten pick to be talked about among the likes of Watt,Aldon Smith, Von Miller by year 2?
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. If Mingo gets 4-7 sacks as a rookie, I think thats pretty respectable, he should get more with Hortons Defense for sure though.
That's setting the bar a little low for me, numbers aren't anything but is it too much to ask for a top ten pick to be talked about among the likes of Watt,Aldon Smith, Von Miller by year 2?
That's setting the bar a little low for me, numbers aren't anything but is it too much to ask for a top ten pick to be talked about among the likes of Watt,Aldon Smith, Von Miller by year 2?
Lets hope thats the way it is, our D has been the last few years a bend but not break team, having the pass rushers we have now, I think we will be the Oh fuck, lets try a screen pass Defense.
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I find it amazing that Sheard and Mingo will compete for the job instead of Mingo since he was a 1st round pick getting the job. I hope he can beat out Sheard since Jabaal has never played there. -
Rubin, Taylor, Bryant, Bryant, Kruger, Kruger, Sheard, Winn, Hughes, Jackson, Mingo, Johnson... am I missing anybody from the front seven? I know I am, this seems like a little overkill but for sure it's set to be a strength on this team, which is a good thing. The front seven has needed addressed to this magnitude for a long, long time. I'm sure that we'll field a really strong front seven that should be suitable for many years to come.
The secondary needs addressed to this magnitude next off season and if it is, then we should have a top 5 defense for quite a while.
I'm looking forward to just how Horton will kill the offense with these guys. Surely the defensive side is set to take some positive steps. I'm really pulling for Slaughter as he could be a steal if he gets healthy, plus he's got a killer name. If he and McFadden can do the job they were picked to do, things could be looking up. Haden, McFadden, Ward and Slaughter seems like a nice group, however half of this equation is yet to be proven.
I agree that the offense wasn't as bad as it looked last season. Shurmur is a dolt, and with Chud and Turner, we'll see these guys get better and better. I've been pimpin Cameron since before he got drafted and I'm hoping that since he seems to be getting a chance to be the man this year that he steps up. Richardson is probably the best runningback in the league and we've got a great offensive line. I'm hoping that Weeden can be more consistent in this new offense and that we find a FB that can open up the lanes for Trent to mow down the field.
Fingers crossed. Wishbone broken. Lucky rabbit's foot in hand. I'm thinking playoffs.
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man with who we have now albeit even draft picks we are going to be tremendously strong across the front 2 lines. who plays where and at what depth and at what down doesn't concern me. just get them all in there and have them eat up some offenses.
i wouldn't trade or even consider cutting anyone of the browns' DL and LB corp at this point.
there's a couple of sketchy dudes though in the secondary who might get swiped off the list unless they pick it up a notch or two.
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I really, really like our Wideouts as well. Little, Gordon, Bess and Benjamin will get some good mismatches and with the OC we have now, I'm sure that there game will really start to improve. I think that all the WRs on the team will gain a lot just by watching the way Bess practices and the way he runs routes and catches the ball. Bess was a good grab plus he's not over the hill yet, which makes me happy.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I find it amazing that Sheard and Mingo will compete for the job instead of Mingo since he was a 1st round pick getting the job. I hope he can beat out Sheard since Jabaal has never played there. I find it amazing that Sheard and Mingo will compete for the job instead of Mingo since he was a 1st round pick getting the job. I hope he can beat out Sheard since Jabaal has never played there.
Both are converting from DE to OLB, which will be something in the works. Look at Ware and a lot of the guys who are DE's in college and make the transition, and I am sure it is not easy to do. However these guys are not 300 lb guys they are in the 240-270 range, plenty big to get to the QB. You remember who we had on D when Mangini switched us to the 3-4, no where near the talent we have now. Honestly, if the D is not top 10 this year it will be a disappointment, we have the guys to be. Lets hope no one goes to Vegas and takes some kind to stimulant to stay awake.
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I really, really like our Wideouts as well. Little, Gordon, Bess and Benjamin will get some good mismatches and with the OC we have now, I'm sure that there game will really start to improve. I think that all the WRs on the team will gain a lot just by watching the way Bess practices and the way he runs routes and catches the ball. Bess was a good grab plus he's not over the hill yet, which makes me happy.
I really, really like our Wideouts as well. Little, Gordon, Bess and Benjamin will get some good mismatches and with the OC we have now, I'm sure that there game will really start to improve. I think that all the WRs on the team will gain a lot just by watching the way Bess practices and the way he runs routes and catches the ball. Bess was a good grab plus he's not over the hill yet, which makes me happy.
Agreed, look at the depth on other teams in our league and you will see that we have a formidable WR core. If garden of Weeden can stretch the Defense and teams start to respect him, Trent will run fucking Hog wild on them. Pretty excited to have the personnel we have and coaches we have this year. Proven Coordinators that have developed some good talent!
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