We Turned Down Offer To Trade Down With Rams
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Skeptical2013 said:
Contrary to your view, if I had been Mike Lombardi, I would have gone all out in free agency to sign a CB and then focused on using the draft to pick Tavon Austin #1. I think Austin, one of the most explosive players to come along in decades into the NFL (and Ron Jaworski and many others agree with that statement), would have taken the Browns offense to a level it hasn't been at since the glory days of the 80s. Austin will have a far, far greater impact for his team, the Rams, than Mingo will have for the Browns.
But with the Browns, we never see big thinking. That is why this franchise has been so bad for so long.
Translation: the Browns don't do what I think they should do.
My reaction: thank God.
Translation: the Browns don't do what I think they should do.
My reaction: thank God.
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Do you honestly think he is as tough as Smith is. Austin is listed at 5'8" 174. Smith 5'9" 198. Huge difference is dependability there. Im sure Austin will do some good things there, but I just dont see how he is gonna be a #1
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I would say Austin might be faster than Smith. He sure looked faster on the film I saw. -
I get that but is Mingo worth a top 10 pick? I sure hope he is!pleez quit hitting the tab button before you start typing. i have to look at your response on the other half of my monitor to even see wtf you are talking about.
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Austin will be on IR by week 8.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Big deal!?
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Who takes a DE/OLB type that didn't have great stats as a college player? The answer of course is the Cleveland Browns. Now I hope Mingo works out but who knows? I would have rather they took Milliner the best cornerback in the draft. So settle down OK? We could have traded down too.I would have rather had them trade down with the Rams and taken Jones,Vaccaro or Reid and had the 2nd rounder.
Hopefully Mingo is a 10+ sack a season guy for years to come.
I would have rather had them trade down with the Rams and taken Jones,Vaccaro or Reid and had the 2nd rounder.
Hopefully Mingo is a 10+ sack a season guy for years to come.
I would rather us take one of the guys they targeted that they believe is a difference make then trade back to grab two guys who they believe are lesser talents. Hopefully Mingo pans out. I personally think they rated Mingo too high but I am I am wrong.
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Another good comparison would likely be Randall Cobb. He was taken as the 32nd pick of the second round but he has definately already turned out to be better than where he was drafted.
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A brief recap of this argument, as its being played out in multiple threads:
Tim Couch Pulls Out: This draft sucked, we could have done better. Mingo is Vernon Gholston 2.0 and our best pick was a 3rd round CB who we could have gotten in the 4th or maybe even 5th. We could have traded back, still got Mingo, added a second round pick, and added a FS or G that would instantly start for us. Way to fuck up, Lombardi.
Everyone else: YOU ARE WRONG AND SO ARE THE ANALYSTS. YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL ALL SEE. MINGO PLAYED IN THE SEC, DUH. PEOPLE JUST HATE THE BROWNS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THE STEELERS IT'S NOT FAIR
Miktoxic: While this draft wasn't all bad, it could have been better. I think some of our draft picks have upside, but we'll see.
Everyone else: FUCK YOU, WHO DID YOU WANT GENO SMITH?! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT DICK! SEC FOOTBALL RULZ AND MINGO HAS THE WORD BARK IN HIS NAME I ALREADY ORDERED HIS JERSEY
BSipeBomber: Here is an article that explains how the Browns fumbled a trade back scenario that could have improved their draft.
Everybody else: THE BROWNS ARE GENIUSES FUCK YOU WE HAD THE BEST DRAFT OF HISTORY
PoeticG: Trent Richardson
Gipper: I'm sorry but you are wrong and here is why- I don't agree with you.
PoeticG: Honey Badger
Everybody else: FUCK TYRANN MATHIEU PUR 7th ROUND PICK WILL BE AN ALL PRO
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Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
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Zombo said:
Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
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When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
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Zombo said:
Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
Z
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.
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When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.
Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.
Then we would have weakened a division rivals draft spending potential and then gotten Jones, and most of you guys are already saying that about him anyway.
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Zombo said:
Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
Z
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
There's no guarentee that if we had traded down that he would still be there. It's likely but no way of knowing for sure. I like and respect the fact that he was the guy our front office wanted and when he's still available when we're on the clock they mad the choice. Whether it was the right choice or not remains to be seen but until this front office proves to be incompetant, I'm going to trust that they know more about the players than I do.
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Jets (3-4, 2 picks, #1 starting CB- Cromartie, Kyle Wilson) wouldn't pass up Milliner after trading Revis. Especially when their recent experiences with undersized pass rushers haven't turned out favorably.@mike-h said:
Jets (3-4, 2 picks) need a pass rusher, worked out Mingo.
Saints need a pass rusher (3-4, pick 15)
Either of those teams would have taken Mingo before 16.
Saints (3-4, pick 15) were equally high on both Jones and Mingo. Could have gone either way, but the point is that one of the two would have been available.
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Wilson was drafted 1st round and Antonio is a great qb, something has to give there. My bet is they are expecting Antonio to leave, so they drafted Millner. However Millner is no where near the DB we missed last year in Claiborne.Millner way be really good, but Revis and Haden good, we will see.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kyle-wilson?id=79527
Wilson looks like the DB Mcfadden we drafted, and Wilson was a 1st rounder.
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Zombo said:
Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
Z
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
Speculation.
They said if he's there, were taking him. No guarantee he was there later. Now we sit back and see if he was worth it.
Z
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@mike-h said:
The Jets had two picks and picked a DL because they didn't like Jones. Mingo would have more than likely been the pick at 13 if he was still there.
It's not because they lost both Devito and Pouha and have a depleted defensive line. Not is it because Sheldon Richardson can play in any of the defensive fronts that Ryan uses.
It's because they didn't like Jarvis Jones. That's the reason. The Jets have a bad history with pass rushing tweeners and roster of pass rushing specialists taken in the last couple years, I doubt they were going to add another.
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The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.
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