We Turned Down Offer To Trade Down With Rams

86collins

I would say Austin might be faster than Smith. He sure looked faster on the film I saw.

miktoxic

@86collins said:
I get that but is Mingo worth a top 10 pick? I sure hope he is!

pleez quit hitting the tab button before you start typing. i have to look at your response on the other half of my monitor to even see wtf you are talking about.

PoeticG

Austin will be on IR by week 8.

86collins

Big deal!?

runyon27

@badnewsbrowns said:

I would have rather had them trade down with the Rams and taken Jones,Vaccaro or Reid and had the 2nd rounder.

Hopefully Mingo is a 10+ sack a season guy for years to come.

I would rather us take one of the guys they targeted that they believe is a difference make then trade back to grab two guys who they believe are lesser talents. Hopefully Mingo pans out. I personally think they rated Mingo too high but I am I am wrong.

Browns57

Another good comparison would likely be Randall Cobb. He was taken as the 32nd pick of the second round but he has definately already turned out to be better than where he was drafted.

Zombo

Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.

Z

Tim Couch Pulls Out

A brief recap of this argument, as its being played out in multiple threads:

Tim Couch Pulls Out: This draft sucked, we could have done better. Mingo is Vernon Gholston 2.0 and our best pick was a 3rd round CB who we could have gotten in the 4th or maybe even 5th. We could have traded back, still got Mingo, added a second round pick, and added a FS or G that would instantly start for us. Way to fuck up, Lombardi.

Everyone else: YOU ARE WRONG AND SO ARE THE ANALYSTS. YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL ALL SEE. MINGO PLAYED IN THE SEC, DUH. PEOPLE JUST HATE THE BROWNS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THE STEELERS IT'S NOT FAIR

Miktoxic: While this draft wasn't all bad, it could have been better. I think some of our draft picks have upside, but we'll see.

Everyone else: FUCK YOU, WHO DID YOU WANT GENO SMITH?! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT DICK! SEC FOOTBALL RULZ AND MINGO HAS THE WORD BARK IN HIS NAME I ALREADY ORDERED HIS JERSEY

BSipeBomber: Here is an article that explains how the Browns fumbled a trade back scenario that could have improved their draft.

Everybody else: THE BROWNS ARE GENIUSES FUCK YOU WE HAD THE BEST DRAFT OF HISTORY

PoeticG: Trent Richardson

Gipper: I'm sorry but you are wrong and here is why- I don't agree with you.

PoeticG: Honey Badger

Everybody else: FUCK TYRANN MATHIEU PUR 7th ROUND PICK WILL BE AN ALL PRO

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Zombo said:

Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.

Z

When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.

That is a failure.

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@mike-h said:

@poeticg said:

Austin will be tea-bagging me by week 8.

I see what you did there.

That's clever.

BadNewsBrowns

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.

That is a failure.

Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.

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@badnewsbrowns said:

Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.

Then we would have weakened a division rivals draft spending potential and then gotten Jones, and most of you guys are already saying that about him anyway.

Mark O

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.

That is a failure.

There's no guarentee that if we had traded down that he would still be there. It's likely but no way of knowing for sure. I like and respect the fact that he was the guy our front office wanted and when he's still available when we're on the clock they mad the choice. Whether it was the right choice or not remains to be seen but until this front office proves to be incompetant, I'm going to trust that they know more about the players than I do.

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@mike-h said:

Jets (3-4, 2 picks) need a pass rusher, worked out Mingo.

Saints need a pass rusher (3-4, pick 15)

Either of those teams would have taken Mingo before 16.

Jets (3-4, 2 picks, #1 starting CB- Cromartie, Kyle Wilson) wouldn't pass up Milliner after trading Revis. Especially when their recent experiences with undersized pass rushers haven't turned out favorably.

Saints (3-4, pick 15) were equally high on both Jones and Mingo. Could have gone either way, but the point is that one of the two would have been available.

cambridgeho

Wilson was drafted 1st round and Antonio is a great qb, something has to give there. My bet is they are expecting Antonio to leave, so they drafted Millner. However Millner is no where near the DB we missed last year in Claiborne.Millner way be really good, but Revis and Haden good, we will see.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kyle-wilson?id=79527

Wilson looks like the DB Mcfadden we drafted, and Wilson was a 1st rounder.

Zombo

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.

That is a failure.

Speculation.

They said if he's there, were taking him. No guarantee he was there later. Now we sit back and see if he was worth it.

Z

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@mike-h said:
The Jets had two picks and picked a DL because they didn't like Jones. Mingo would have more than likely been the pick at 13 if he was still there.

It's not because they lost both Devito and Pouha and have a depleted defensive line. Not is it because Sheldon Richardson can play in any of the defensive fronts that Ryan uses.

It's because they didn't like Jarvis Jones. That's the reason. The Jets have a bad history with pass rushing tweeners and roster of pass rushing specialists taken in the last couple years, I doubt they were going to add another.

BendMeOver

The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.

hoorta

Endymion said:
The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.

So as a Steeler fan, what's the take over there on getting Jarvis Jones? BTW, I'm shocked we actually traded with you guys.

BendMeOver

@hoorta said:

So as a Steeler fan, what's the take over there on getting Jarvis Jones? BTW, I'm shocked we actually traded with you guys.

Most of the fanbase really likes Jarvis Jones, as he fills a supposedly huge need. I'm not so crazy about him, but I hope he works out. A slow guy with back problems sounds like a guy we just cut. Linebackers typically don't start in their first year of LeBeau's system and taking a linebacker first overall to sit a year is silly. I really like Arthur Brown and they could've had him in the second round, instead. Pittsburgh needs offensive talent, Eifert, Patterson or Hunter would've been a better first round pickup and we could've got another pick trading back. I'm not shocked you traded with us. We gave up a third round pick on the expectation we would get a 3rd rounder for Mike Wallace next year. If 2013 is a down year as I kinda fear, you'll have a high third round pick for a 4th rounder this year...there's no way your franchise could've turned down an offer like that. I don't know if we really got value out of that trade pick as I don't know much about the safety they picked up. Our safety is kinda short and we've been burned by safety's labeled as "hard hitters" previously under Corbert. If he works out and eventually starts then the trade would've been worth it.