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Name 5 CBs better than Haden. Name 10 SS better than Ward.
In the words of Mike Singletary: Can't do it.
Corners I can do off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a few things to post the safeties.
Revis (although he wasn't healthy)
Tim Jennings (Bears)
Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
Antonine Winfield (Vikings)
Champ Bailey (Broncos)
Charles Tillman (Bears)
PP7 (Cards)
Brandon Flowers (Chiefs)
Hell possibly even Kareem Jackson who really turned it on last season and has great size. Joe Haden is good but he's not a top 5 corner. He may be eventually but he's not right now.
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Name 5 CBs better than Haden. Name 10 SS better than Ward.
In the words of Mike Singletary: Can't do it.
Corners I can do off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a few things to post the safeties.
Revis (although he wasn't healthy)
Tim Jennings (Bears)
Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
Antonine Winfield (Vikings)
Champ Bailey (Broncos)
Charles Tillman (Bears)
PP7 (Cards)
Brandon Flowers (Chiefs)
Hell possibly even Kareem Jackson who really turned it on last season and has great size. Joe Haden is good but he's not a top 5 corner. He may be eventually but he's not right now.
Corners I can do off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a few things to post the safeties.
Revis (although he wasn't healthy)
Tim Jennings (Bears)
Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
Antonine Winfield (Vikings)
Champ Bailey (Broncos)
Charles Tillman (Bears)
PP7 (Cards)
Brandon Flowers (Chiefs)
Hell possibly even Kareem Jackson who really turned it on last season and has great size. Joe Haden is good but he's not a top 5 corner. He may be eventually but he's not right now.
lol...Charles Tillman...really?..Antoine Winfield?...two names that are a HUGE reach..Champ Bailey is WAY past his prime.....Richard Sherman?...never heard of him...Brandon Flowers?...asK Romeo why he doesnt have a job..Tim Jennings?..another HUGE reach....I'll give you PP and Revis but after that..YOUR REACHING!
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The problem is you're making it sound like the Browns went out and nabbed two fantastic Pro Bowlers with proven experience when in reality they overpaid for a guy who is, at the very best at the moment, a situational player and followed that up by overpaying for a good DL when we already had two DL.
What we did was get two guys that greatly enhanced the Browns talent at the positions they played. Maybe they are or maybe they are not Pro Bowlers.....they are a damn sight better than Kaluka Maiava and Chris Gocong.....and they were the top rated players at their position.
Meanwhile, we have no second CB and no FS, in a year where there WERE proven Pro Bowler players at those positions, and we either :
A) didn't offer over market value to them like we did the other guys
Or
we did offer over market value and they still said noEither way, it proves the same point...Cleveland isn't a desirable destination. The only thing going for us is that we could offer more money.
Who was out there at CB or FS that was so great? A decrepit Ed Reed which the Browns wanted no part of because of his age. Maybe Dashon Goldon....who is a safety who may be a SS....and not better than Ward who we had. There weren't any "great CBs" available. Hell....the guy we cut loose, Sheldon Brown was considered to be one of the top CB FAs this year.
And, like I said, the Browns DID pick up two DBs....Owens and Barnes.
Bottom line: the Browns were going to get their DBs in the draft.
Perhaps a justified criticism would be to say they should have taken Millner. ( I thought they would). But I think they are satisfied with McFadden, even if you are not.
Perhaps a justified criticism is trading those two picks for picks next year.
I mean, at some point you have to stop acting like the sun shines out of this city's' asshole and be realistic. You see the world through orange tinted glasses and it gets to be embarrassing.
I am a Browns fan, and maybe I do see orange and brown. But, if I see a basis for criticism, I am certainly going to make it. Have you not paid all these years? I spend half my time criticizing them for one reason or another.
But that doesn't mean I have to agree with your poor judgment in these matters.
I have my own damned opinions...and they are far sight more cogent than yours.
Brent Grimes and Nnamdi Asomugha both weren't resigned by their teams. Both are young and both have been Pro Bowlers within the last two seasons.
Sean Smith, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Derek Cox, Chris Houston and Keenan Lewis are all improvements over what we had and still currently do have. All would have sufficed as a #2 corner.
Dashon Goldson, Pat Chung, and William Moore are all prototypical safeties in Horton's defense. They are little guys who can hit and are all marked upgrades over Gipson and Hagg.
All went to different teams.
Your problem is that, just because you Google random trivia questions pertaining to football, you think you understand the game. Vagitron had it slightly right when he said you know nothing about football outside of the Browns. I take it one step further and say you know nothing about football outside of the pre-'96 Browns.
The game is more than "line up and hit someone". Scheming and personnel matchups matter, no matter what you may think.
But I'm supposed to rest easy knowing that our fate is in the hands of a linebacking corps that has essentially one proven NFL starter on it and our secondary has a third round CB from a basketball school and a FS with a recently torn Achilles.
There's a difference in saving cap room for future use and hesitating to pull the trigger. This offseason was set up perfectly for our needs, and we sit here again wondering what the fuck is going on in Berea.
Some people are happy just that we actually made moves this year. I'm not one of those people. Ill be happy when we start winning games and not damn well until.
Ah, but a mans reach should always exceed his grasp.
Brent Grimes and Nnamdi Asomugha both weren't resigned by their teams. Both are young and both have been Pro Bowlers within the last two seasons.
Sean Smith, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Derek Cox, Chris Houston and Keenan Lewis are all improvements over what we had and still currently do have. All would have sufficed as a #2 corner.
Dashon Goldson, Pat Chung, and William Moore are all prototypical safeties in Horton's defense. They are little guys who can hit and are all marked upgrades over Gipson and Hagg.
All went to different teams.
Your problem is that, just because you Google random trivia questions pertaining to football, you think you understand the game. Vagitron had it slightly right when he said you know nothing about football outside of the Browns. I take it one step further and say you know nothing about football outside of the pre-'96 Browns.
The game is more than "line up and hit someone". Scheming and personnel matchups matter, no matter what you may think.
But I'm supposed to rest easy knowing that our fate is in the hands of a linebacking corps that has essentially one proven NFL starter on it and our secondary has a third round CB from a basketball school and a FS with a recently torn Achilles.
There's a difference in saving cap room for future use and hesitating to pull the trigger. This offseason was set up perfectly for our needs, and we sit here again wondering what the fuck is going on in Berea.
Some people are happy just that we actually made moves this year. I'm not one of those people. Ill be happy when we start winning games and not damn well until.
Ah, but a mans reach should always exceed his grasp.
You are completely full of fucking bullshit. You are grasping at every name that is out there that YOU can Google....and saying that this guy or that guy is better.
You have no more capability of analyzing the strengths, weaknesses, and capabilities of these players than I do.
Most of the name YOU Googled are rated worse than Sheldon Brown.....who we know sucked.
So, basically, you are clamoring for the Browns to obtain players that sucked worse than the guys we let go.
You think just because you are capable of criticism that that makes you an expert on talent evaluation.
What fucking arrogance.
Tim Couch Pulls Out knows more than Lombardi, Banner, and the Coaches and Assistant of the Cleveland Browns.
You played football. Big fucking deal. Now you are what? Selling beer to the hillbillies of backwater South Carolina.
Jesus, you are such an expert....why has no team grabbed you up to run their scouting department.
FYI, maybe the Browns player personell DID NOT view Chung and Moore as upgrades over Hagg and Gipson.
Maybe they think Hagg and Gipson have far more upside than the guys you think they should have taken.
You have no credibility when judging talent, any more than I do.
And maybe the Browns were outbid by other teams. There are 32 of them. They have money to spend too.
This is probably the case with Grimes. The Browns may not have batted a thousand on every one they wanted.
Like I said....yours is just one opinion....no more valid than anyone else on this board.
And since the Cleveland Browns front office hasn't called you to ask you to consult with them.....I will take their judgment over yours.
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Name 5 CBs better than Haden. Name 10 SS better than Ward.
In the words of Mike Singletary: Can't do it.
Corners I can do off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a few things to post the safeties.
Revis (although he wasn't healthy)
Tim Jennings (Bears)
Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
Antonine Winfield (Vikings)
Champ Bailey (Broncos)
Charles Tillman (Bears)
PP7 (Cards)
Brandon Flowers (Chiefs)
Hell possibly even Kareem Jackson who really turned it on last season and has great size. Joe Haden is good but he's not a top 5 corner. He may be eventually but he's not right now.
Corners I can do off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a few things to post the safeties.
Revis (although he wasn't healthy)
Tim Jennings (Bears)
Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
Antonine Winfield (Vikings)
Champ Bailey (Broncos)
Charles Tillman (Bears)
PP7 (Cards)
Brandon Flowers (Chiefs)
Hell possibly even Kareem Jackson who really turned it on last season and has great size. Joe Haden is good but he's not a top 5 corner. He may be eventually but he's not right now.
Now, you are just naming names to name names. I will give you maybe 3 of those: Revis, Sherman, and Peterson....and I am not sure about Sherman.....and for all we know Revis may be a shell of his former self after ACL....remains to be seen.
Winfield and Bailey at one time...in their prime perhaps. But certainly not now. Hell, why don't you name Darrell Green and Deion Sanders?
And Jennings and Flowers and Tillman? Hell no. At best someone can say that they might come close to Haden...but no way better.
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Everybody has an opinion. Here is just one...by a source more credible than The Vag or TCPO:
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And here is this: Guess who is #1:
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Brent Grimes and Nnamdi Asomugha both weren't resigned by their teams. Both are young and both have been Pro Bowlers within the last two seasons.
Sean Smith, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Derek Cox, Chris Houston and Keenan Lewis are all improvements over what we had and still currently do have. All would have sufficed as a #2 corner.
Dashon Goldson, Pat Chung, and William Moore are all prototypical safeties in Horton's defense. They are little guys who can hit and are all marked upgrades over Gipson and Hagg.
All went to different teams.
Your problem is that, just because you Google random trivia questions pertaining to football, you think you understand the game. Vagitron had it slightly right when he said you know nothing about football outside of the Browns. I take it one step further and say you know nothing about football outside of the pre-'96 Browns.
The game is more than "line up and hit someone". Scheming and personnel matchups matter, no matter what you may think.
But I'm supposed to rest easy knowing that our fate is in the hands of a linebacking corps that has essentially one proven NFL starter on it and our secondary has a third round CB from a basketball school and a FS with a recently torn Achilles.
There's a difference in saving cap room for future use and hesitating to pull the trigger. This offseason was set up perfectly for our needs, and we sit here again wondering what the fuck is going on in Berea.
Some people are happy just that we actually made moves this year. I'm not one of those people. Ill be happy when we start winning games and not damn well until.
Ah, but a mans reach should always exceed his grasp.
You are completely full of fucking bullshit. You are grasping at every name that is out there that YOU can Google....and saying that this guy or that guy is better.
You have no more capability of analyzing the strengths, weaknesses, and capabilities of these players than I do.
Most of the name YOU Googled are rated worse than Sheldon Brown.....who we know sucked.
So, basically, you are clamoring for the Browns to obtain players that sucked worse than the guys we let go.
You think just because you are capable of criticism that that makes you an expert on talent evaluation.
What fucking arrogance.
Tim Couch Pulls Out knows more than Lombardi, Banner, and the Coaches and Assistant of the Cleveland Browns.
You played football. Big fucking deal. Now you are what? Selling beer to the hillbillies of backwater South Carolina.
Jesus, you are such an expert....why has no team grabbed you up to run their scouting department.
FYI, maybe the Browns player personell DID NOT view Chung and Moore as upgrades over Hagg and Gipson.
Maybe they think Hagg and Gipson have far more upside than the guys you think they should have taken.
You have no credibility when judging talent, any more than I do.
And maybe the Browns were outbid by other teams. There are 32 of them. They have money to spend too.
This is probably the case with Grimes. The Browns may not have batted a thousand on every one they wanted.
Like I said....yours is just one opinion....no more valid than anyone else on this board.
And since the Cleveland Browns front office hasn't called you to ask you to consult with them.....I will take their judgment over yours.
You are completely full of fucking bullshit. You are grasping at every name that is out there that YOU can Google....and saying that this guy or that guy is better.
You have no more capability of analyzing the strengths, weaknesses, and capabilities of these players than I do.
Most of the name YOU Googled are rated worse than Sheldon Brown.....who we know sucked.
So, basically, you are clamoring for the Browns to obtain players that sucked worse than the guys we let go.
You think just because you are capable of criticism that that makes you an expert on talent evaluation.
What fucking arrogance.
Tim Couch Pulls Out knows more than Lombardi, Banner, and the Coaches and Assistant of the Cleveland Browns.
You played football. Big fucking deal. Now you are what? Selling beer to the hillbillies of backwater South Carolina.
Jesus, you are such an expert....why has no team grabbed you up to run their scouting department.
FYI, maybe the Browns player personell DID NOT view Chung and Moore as upgrades over Hagg and Gipson.
Maybe they think Hagg and Gipson have far more upside than the guys you think they should have taken.
You have no credibility when judging talent, any more than I do.
And maybe the Browns were outbid by other teams. There are 32 of them. They have money to spend too.
This is probably the case with Grimes. The Browns may not have batted a thousand on every one they wanted.
Like I said....yours is just one opinion....no more valid than anyone else on this board.
And since the Cleveland Browns front office hasn't called you to ask you to consult with them.....I will take their judgment over yours.
I'd love to know what rating system you are using, because CBS Sports and Walter Football both have every single player I mentioned rated higher than your beloved Sheldon Brown.
Once again, you prove you know absolutely fucking nothing about but you spout off bullshit like its fact.
Why don't you just go ahead and turn this thread into another useless bullshit one about the places you've been or old TV shows you watched or how your son is some whatever expert...because you sure as shit don't know what you're talking about here.
Analyzing a player is more than just asking "is this guy from the Cleveland area? Does he have a last name similar to mine? Does his aunt shop at the store where I bought my first hat? If so, then yes he's awesome and you're stupid for not seeing it"
Quit trying to apologize for the staff's fuck ups. They passed on FA to address it in the draft, and when the draft rolled around they missed the boat again. That's all there is to it.
You're right, the Cleveland Browns haven't called me. But the Atlanta Falcons and the Baltimore Ravens did.
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I don't think I was being unreasonable ranking Haden top five and Ward top ten at their respective positions.
I'd love to hear the names of ten strong safeties that he would rank better than Ward, I wonder if they are as old as the corners he is naming.
I think he's just bitter because Ryan Clark and Troy Polymumu are collecting AARP and our two studs are 24 and 26 and headed into their prime.
Honestly, it must suck to be a Steeler fan right now.
Zombo
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You are completely full of fucking bullshit. You are grasping at every name that is out there that YOU can Google....and saying that this guy or that guy is better.
You have no more capability of analyzing the strengths, weaknesses, and capabilities of these players than I do.
Most of the name YOU Googled are rated worse than Sheldon Brown.....who we know sucked.
So, basically, you are clamoring for the Browns to obtain players that sucked worse than the guys we let go.
You think just because you are capable of criticism that that makes you an expert on talent evaluation.
What fucking arrogance.
Tim Couch Pulls Out knows more than Lombardi, Banner, and the Coaches and Assistant of the Cleveland Browns.
You played football. Big fucking deal. Now you are what? Selling beer to the hillbillies of backwater South Carolina.
Jesus, you are such an expert....why has no team grabbed you up to run their scouting department.
FYI, maybe the Browns player personell DID NOT view Chung and Moore as upgrades over Hagg and Gipson.
Maybe they think Hagg and Gipson have far more upside than the guys you think they should have taken.
You have no credibility when judging talent, any more than I do.
And maybe the Browns were outbid by other teams. There are 32 of them. They have money to spend too.
This is probably the case with Grimes. The Browns may not have batted a thousand on every one they wanted.
Like I said....yours is just one opinion....no more valid than anyone else on this board.
And since the Cleveland Browns front office hasn't called you to ask you to consult with them.....I will take their judgment over yours.
I'd love to know what rating system you are using, because CBS Sports and Walter Football both have every single player I mentioned rated higher than your beloved Sheldon Brown.
Once again, you prove you know absolutely fucking nothing about but you spout off bullshit like its fact.
Why don't you just go ahead and turn this thread into another useless bullshit one about the places you've been or old TV shows you watched or how your son is some whatever expert...because you sure as shit don't know what you're talking about here.
Analyzing a player is more than just asking "is this guy from the Cleveland area? Does he have a last name similar to mine? Does his aunt shop at the store where I bought my first hat? If so, then yes he's awesome and you're stupid for not seeing it"
Quit trying to apologize for the staff's fuck ups. They passed on FA to address it in the draft, and when the draft rolled around they missed the boat again. That's all there is to it.
You're right, the Cleveland Browns haven't called me. But the Atlanta Falcons and the Baltimore Ravens did.
I'd love to know what rating system you are using, because CBS Sports and Walter Football both have every single player I mentioned rated higher than your beloved Sheldon Brown.
ESPN/FOX/NFL.com
Once again, you prove you know absolutely fucking nothing about but you spout off bullshit like its fact.
In that regard then, I simply am mimicking you, obviously
Why don't you just go ahead and turn this thread into another useless bullshit one about the places you've been or old TV shows you watched or how your son is some whatever expert...because you sure as shit don't know what you're talking about here.
What? Can't stand that I enjoy a well rounded existance? You are stuck in hillbilly heaven and never go anywhere, your sum total of TV experience is Duck Dynasty, and your kid is in prison.
I know just as much about what goes on in football as you do.....which is to say, not much
Analyzing a player is more than just asking "is this guy from the Cleveland area? Does he have a last name similar to mine? Does his aunt shop at the store where I bought my first hat? If so, then yes he's awesome and you're stupid for not seeing it"
NSS? What do you want? 40 times? Height/weight. I guess you want to bore people to death with that sort of thing, is that it? You have no more information about these players than I do, no more basis upon which to analyze them than anyone else.
Quit trying to apologize for the staff's fuck ups. They passed on FA to address it in the draft, and when the draft rolled around they missed the boat again. That's all there is to it.
I am not apologizing for them....in many respects I agree somewhat with what you say. Its just that your "I fucking know better than they do" attitude comes off as completely Retarded. You have no clue as to how well the players they obtained, like McFadden/Owen/Barnes/Slaughter are going to
vis a vis the guys you think they should have taken.
And your credibility further wanes by the notion that you think San Diego St. is a basketball school. Can you name one basketball player that came from SDSU? I don't think I can.
But, I can tell you that SDSU has been pretty damn good to the Cleveland Browns in the past: Brian Sipe, Webster Slaughter.
And don't forget HOFer Marshall Faulk.
Oh, and the fact that both Sid Gillman/Don Coryell, and John Madden used to coach there gives that school some pretty solid football credentials.
In essence, the Air Coryell version of the West Coast Offense was basically started there.
So, I expect Leon McFadden to follow in the Sipe/Slaughter footsteps and be damned fine player for the Cleveland Browns.
You're right, the Cleveland Browns haven't called me. But the Atlanta Falcons and the Baltimore Ravens did.
Did they need a beer vendor?
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Everybody has an opinion. Here is just one...by a source more credible than The Vag or TCPO:
Everybody has an opinion. Here is just one...by a source more credible than The Vag or TCPO:
Thanks for posting this and interesting that Haden was named the 7th best CB in the league based on the statistics he used to develop his opinions.
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Corners I can do off the top of my head. I'd have to look at a few things to post the safeties.
Revis (although he wasn't healthy)
Tim Jennings (Bears)
Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
Antonine Winfield (Vikings)
Champ Bailey (Broncos)
Charles Tillman (Bears)
PP7 (Cards)
Brandon Flowers (Chiefs)
Hell possibly even Kareem Jackson who really turned it on last season and has great size. Joe Haden is good but he's not a top 5 corner. He may be eventually but he's not right now.
lol...Charles Tillman...really?..Antoine Winfield?...two names that are a HUGE reach..Champ Bailey is WAY past his prime.....Richard Sherman?...never heard of him...Brandon Flowers?...asK Romeo why he doesnt have a job..Tim Jennings?..another HUGE reach....I'll give you PP and Revis but after that..YOUR REACHING!
lol...Charles Tillman...really?..Antoine Winfield?...two names that are a HUGE reach..Champ Bailey is WAY past his prime.....Richard Sherman?...never heard of him...Brandon Flowers?...asK Romeo why he doesnt have a job..Tim Jennings?..another HUGE reach....I'll give you PP and Revis but after that..YOUR REACHING!
Check the stats. Tillman and Winfield both had fantastic years. Bailey is still playing at a very high level and Sherman is the beast corner in Seattle and yes Brandon Flowers. You're an idiot if you think Romeo lost his job for drafting him. Hell you probably don't know 3/4th's of the corners on that list.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
I don't think I was being unreasonable ranking Haden top five and Ward top ten at their respective positions.
I'd love to hear the names of ten strong safeties that he would rank better than Ward, I wonder if they are as old as the corners he is naming.
I think he's just bitter because Ryan Clark and Troy Polymumu are collecting AARP and our two studs are 24 and 26 and headed into their prime.
Honestly, it must suck to be a Steeler fan right now.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I don't think I was being unreasonable ranking Haden top five and Ward top ten at their respective positions.
I'd love to hear the names of ten strong safeties that he would rank better than Ward, I wonder if they are as old as the corners he is naming.
I think he's just bitter because Ryan Clark and Troy Polymumu are collecting AARP and our two studs are 24 and 26 and headed into their prime.
Honestly, it must suck to be a Steeler fan right now.
Zombo
Polamalu is still much better than Ward and they drafted a missile in the 4th round this year with your draft pick lol. The only reason he lasted till the 4th was because of his size but he also happens to have a 40 inch vertical. I also couldn't be more pleased with the draft. It's gotta suck being a Browns fan if you wanna go there. How many times have you drafted inside the top 10 in the last decade? Your team may need to get sold again and they sh.it the bed in the most recent draft. AGAIN
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Gipper using Bleacher report for the sake of an argument is like using wikipedia as a reference on a college term paper. Any one of us could write for Bleacher report tomorrow and that's a fact.
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I'd love to know what rating system you are using, because CBS Sports and Walter Football both have every single player I mentioned rated higher than your beloved Sheldon Brown.
ESPN/FOX/NFL.com
Once again, you prove you know absolutely fucking nothing about but you spout off bullshit like its fact.
In that regard then, I simply am mimicking you, obviously
Why don't you just go ahead and turn this thread into another useless bullshit one about the places you've been or old TV shows you watched or how your son is some whatever expert...because you sure as shit don't know what you're talking about here.
What? Can't stand that I enjoy a well rounded existance? You are stuck in hillbilly heaven and never go anywhere, your sum total of TV experience is Duck Dynasty, and your kid is in prison.
I know just as much about what goes on in football as you do.....which is to say, not much
Analyzing a player is more than just asking "is this guy from the Cleveland area? Does he have a last name similar to mine? Does his aunt shop at the store where I bought my first hat? If so, then yes he's awesome and you're stupid for not seeing it"
NSS? What do you want? 40 times? Height/weight. I guess you want to bore people to death with that sort of thing, is that it? You have no more information about these players than I do, no more basis upon which to analyze them than anyone else.
Quit trying to apologize for the staff's fuck ups. They passed on FA to address it in the draft, and when the draft rolled around they missed the boat again. That's all there is to it.
I am not apologizing for them....in many respects I agree somewhat with what you say. Its just that your "I fucking know better than they do" attitude comes off as completely Retarded. You have no clue as to how well the players they obtained, like McFadden/Owen/Barnes/Slaughter are going to
vis a vis the guys you think they should have taken.
And your credibility further wanes by the notion that you think San Diego St. is a basketball school. Can you name one basketball player that came from SDSU? I don't think I can.
But, I can tell you that SDSU has been pretty damn good to the Cleveland Browns in the past: Brian Sipe, Webster Slaughter.
And don't forget HOFer Marshall Faulk.
Oh, and the fact that both Sid Gillman/Don Coryell, and John Madden used to coach there gives that school some pretty solid football credentials.
In essence, the Air Coryell version of the West Coast Offense was basically started there.
So, I expect Leon McFadden to follow in the Sipe/Slaughter footsteps and be damned fine player for the Cleveland Browns.
You're right, the Cleveland Browns haven't called me. But the Atlanta Falcons and the Baltimore Ravens did.
Did they need a beer vendor?
I'd love to know what rating system you are using, because CBS Sports and Walter Football both have every single player I mentioned rated higher than your beloved Sheldon Brown.
ESPN/FOX/NFL.com
Once again, you prove you know absolutely fucking nothing about but you spout off bullshit like its fact.
In that regard then, I simply am mimicking you, obviously
Why don't you just go ahead and turn this thread into another useless bullshit one about the places you've been or old TV shows you watched or how your son is some whatever expert...because you sure as shit don't know what you're talking about here.
What? Can't stand that I enjoy a well rounded existance? You are stuck in hillbilly heaven and never go anywhere, your sum total of TV experience is Duck Dynasty, and your kid is in prison.
I know just as much about what goes on in football as you do.....which is to say, not much
Analyzing a player is more than just asking "is this guy from the Cleveland area? Does he have a last name similar to mine? Does his aunt shop at the store where I bought my first hat? If so, then yes he's awesome and you're stupid for not seeing it"
NSS? What do you want? 40 times? Height/weight. I guess you want to bore people to death with that sort of thing, is that it? You have no more information about these players than I do, no more basis upon which to analyze them than anyone else.
Quit trying to apologize for the staff's fuck ups. They passed on FA to address it in the draft, and when the draft rolled around they missed the boat again. That's all there is to it.
I am not apologizing for them....in many respects I agree somewhat with what you say. Its just that your "I fucking know better than they do" attitude comes off as completely Retarded. You have no clue as to how well the players they obtained, like McFadden/Owen/Barnes/Slaughter are going to
vis a vis the guys you think they should have taken.
And your credibility further wanes by the notion that you think San Diego St. is a basketball school. Can you name one basketball player that came from SDSU? I don't think I can.
But, I can tell you that SDSU has been pretty damn good to the Cleveland Browns in the past: Brian Sipe, Webster Slaughter.
And don't forget HOFer Marshall Faulk.
Oh, and the fact that both Sid Gillman/Don Coryell, and John Madden used to coach there gives that school some pretty solid football credentials.
In essence, the Air Coryell version of the West Coast Offense was basically started there.
So, I expect Leon McFadden to follow in the Sipe/Slaughter footsteps and be damned fine player for the Cleveland Browns.
You're right, the Cleveland Browns haven't called me. But the Atlanta Falcons and the Baltimore Ravens did.
Did they need a beer vendor?
That's funny, because here's ESPN's top 50 Free Agents at the start of free agency:
50. Mike Devito, DL
2012 team: New York Jets
49. Fred Davis, TE
2012 team: Washington Redskins
48. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
2012 team: Philadelphia Eagles
47. Glover Quin, S
2012 team: Houston Texans
46. Kenny Phillips, S
2012 team: New York Giants
45. Dwight Freeney, DE
2012 team: Indianapolis Colts
44. Alan Branch, DT
2012 team: Seattle Seahawks
43. Erin Henderson, LB
2012 team: Minnesota Vikings
42. Israel Idonije, DE
2012 team: Chicago Bears
41. Gosder Cherilus, T
2012 team: Detroit Lions
40. Steven Jackson, RB
2012 team: St. Louis Rams
39. Andy Levitre, G
2012 team: Buffalo Bills
38. Dashon Goldson, S
2012 team: San Francisco 49ers
37. Desmond Bryant, DT
2012 team: Oakland Raiders
36. Randy Starks, DT
2012 team: Miami Dolphins
35. Cary Williams, CB
2012 team: Baltimore Ravens
34. Aqib Talib, CB
2012 team: New England Patriots
33. Michael Johnson, DE
2012 team: Cincinnati Bengals
32. Brian De La Puente, C
2012 team: New Orleans Saints
31. Brian Hartline, WR
2012 team: Miami Dolphins
30. Brandon Moore, G
2012 team: New York Jets
29. Adam Jones, CB
2012 team: Cincinnati Bengals
28. Dennis Pitta, TE
2012 team: Baltimore Ravens
27. Richard Seymour, DT
2012 team: Oakland Raiders
26. Phil Loadholt, T
2012 team: Minnesota Vikings
25. William Moore, S
2012 team: Atlanta Falcons
24. Sam Shields, CB
2012 team: Green Bay Packers
23. Cliff Avril, DE
2012 team: Detroit Lions
22. Danny Amendola, WR
2012 team: St. Louis Rams
21. Branden Albert, T
2012 team: Kansas City Chiefs
20. Andre Smith, T
2012 team: Cincinnati Bengals
19. Paul Kruger, OLB
2012 team: Baltimore Ravens
18. Will Beatty, T
2012 team: New York Giants
17. Martellus Bennett, TE
2012 team: New York Giants
16. Daryl Smith, LB
2012 team: Jacksonville Jaguars
15. Sebastian Vollmer, T
2012 team: New England Patriots
14. Mike Wallace, WR
2012 team: Pittsburgh Steelers
13. Victor Cruz, WR
2012 team: New York Giants
12. Anthony Spencer, OLB
2012 team: Dallas Cowboys
11. Brent Grimes, CB
2012 team: Atlanta Falcons
10. Michael Bennett, DE
2012 team: Tampa Bay Buccaneers
9. Jake Long, T
2012 team: Miami Dolphins
8. Tony Gonzalez, TE
2012 team: Atlanta Falcons
7. Dwayne Bowe, WR
2012 team: Kansas City Chiefs
6. Wes Welker, WR
2012 team: New England Patriots
5. Jairus Byrd, S
2012 team: Buffalo Bills
4. Ryan Clady, T
2012 team: Denver Broncos
3. Greg Jennings, WR
2012 team: Green Bay Packers
2. Henry Melton, DT
2012 team: Chicago Bears
1. Joe Flacco, QB
2012 team: Baltimore Ravens
Nowhere on there is Sheldon Brown.
Here's NFL.com's best corners available at the start of FA:
1. Brent Grimes, Atlanta Falcons
2. Sean Smith, Miami Dolphins (UPDATE: Agreed to terms with the Kansas City Chiefs)
3. Aqib Talib, New England Patriots (UPDATE: Agreed to deal with the New England Patriots.)
4. Chris Houston, Detroit Lions (UPDATE: Agreed to re-sign with the Detroit Lions)
5. Antoine Winfield, Minnesota Vikings
6. Keenan Lewis, Pittsburgh Steelers (UPDATE: Signed with the New Orleans Saints)
Nowhere on there is Sheldon Brown.
Just for shits and giggles:
Here's a list of NFL.com's top 85 FA's:
Here's a list of Rotoworld's top FA's by position:
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42077/309/nfl-free-agent-master-list-13
Sheldon Brown was never mentioned. Not once.
Sometimes I wonder if you actually even believe the shit you say.
Just as you were completely off-base with your "assessment" of the FA's available, you too are wrong about me. The only thing you know is that I'm from South Carolina which, according to you, means I'm an inbred, mouth breathing Jethro just living the days between hunting seasons.
You don't know that, per the IRS, nearly 1/5th of all New Yorkers that relocated to North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida in the last 10 years moved into Horry/Georgetown County.
As of the last census, nearly half of the population in my hometown relocated from cities north of the Mason/Dixon line.
I've never shot a gun, much less owned one. I don't watch Duck Dynasty because I don't believe in cable television, as it rots your mind. Anything I need to watch is on Netflix or very easily downloadable.
Swing and a miss, strike two.
As for height/weight/40 time...you can keep them. Fools place too much emphasis on them. Not that you use them; your analysis of a player only extends to "Did he play for a school in or around my area?" or "Do we have the same last name?"
And no, they weren't calling for a beer vendor...although that seems to be right up your son's alley.
It was for an internship.
So you keep pretending that "knowing football" means Googling "who last kicked a left footed field goal in sub 40 degree temperatures while trailing by 13 points" and being content that our FO made "okay" moves.
For the record, I wasnt upset with the McFadden pick. He can be a solid cover corner for us. Horton's defense requires our corners to be on islands, often locked in man coverage in order to free up a blitzer. McFadden's strength lies in his man cover ability, as he was asked to do the same at SDSU.
My problem is that we picked him one to two rounds ahead of where we could have. That's where the failure lies.
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And here is this: Guess who is #1:
At no point did I say Joe Haden wasn't a top 5 corner.
I understand that most of your attention span is now devoted to trying to rouse and maintain an erection, but at least try and remember what argument you're having and with who. Okay, grandpa?
It is interesting to see that you claim there weren't any good CBs available for us to get and then you link to an article that contains most of the corners I mentioned and excludes Sheldon Brown.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
lol...Charles Tillman...really?..Antoine Winfield?...two names that are a HUGE reach..Champ Bailey is WAY past his prime.....Richard Sherman?...never heard of him...Brandon Flowers?...asK Romeo why he doesnt have a job..Tim Jennings?..another HUGE reach....I'll give you PP and Revis but after that..YOUR REACHING!
Check the stats. Tillman and Winfield both had fantastic years. Bailey is still playing at a very high level and Sherman is the beast corner in Seattle and yes Brandon Flowers. You're an idiot if you think Romeo lost his job for drafting him. Hell you probably don't know 3/4th's of the corners on that list.
Check the stats. Tillman and Winfield both had fantastic years. Bailey is still playing at a very high level and Sherman is the beast corner in Seattle and yes Brandon Flowers. You're an idiot if you think Romeo lost his job for drafting him. Hell you probably don't know 3/4th's of the corners on that list.
I do...thats not the point...Stats dont always tell the tale of the tape...Stats arent the only way to measure the impact a DB has on theyre team...
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Check the stats. Tillman and Winfield both had fantastic years. Bailey is still playing at a very high level and Sherman is the beast corner in Seattle and yes Brandon Flowers. You're an idiot if you think Romeo lost his job for drafting him. Hell you probably don't know 3/4th's of the corners on that list.
I do...thats not the point...Stats dont always tell the tale of the tape...Stats arent the only way to measure the impact a DB has on theyre team...
I do...thats not the point...Stats dont always tell the tale of the tape...Stats arent the only way to measure the impact a DB has on theyre team...
False. That's just something people say when trying to defend a shitty player.
They are the best, and only, quantifiable representation of how a player plays and affects his team.
You just have to look at the right stats.
The cut and dry "INT", "TKL", "PDEF" stats don't just do it. You have to look situationally and at the game as a whole.
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I do...thats not the point...Stats dont always tell the tale of the tape...Stats arent the only way to measure the impact a DB has on theyre team...
False. That's just something people say when trying to defend a shitty player.
They are the best, and only, quantifiable representation of how a player plays and affects his team.
You just have to look at the right stats.
The cut and dry "INT", "TKL", "PDEF" stats don't just do it. You have to look situationally and at the game as a whole.
False. That's just something people say when trying to defend a shitty player.
They are the best, and only, quantifiable representation of how a player plays and affects his team.
You just have to look at the right stats.
The cut and dry "INT", "TKL", "PDEF" stats don't just do it. You have to look situationally and at the game as a whole.
No...Its only false to you because it doesnt agree with your philosophy .Like all stupid kids like you and vag...its not really about the stats...Its about always being right...Never in My life did I ever see such a group of thin skinned assholes..Right stats?..like interceptions,Passes knocked down that dont get accounted for..Dropped Passes by WR's that arent put on the responsibility of the WR..Get your head out of your asses..I mean...really?
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False. That's just something people say when trying to defend a shitty player.
They are the best, and only, quantifiable representation of how a player plays and affects his team.
You just have to look at the right stats.
The cut and dry "INT", "TKL", "PDEF" stats don't just do it. You have to look situationally and at the game as a whole.
No...Its only false to you because it doesnt agree with your philosophy .Like all stupid kids like you and vag...its not really about the stats...Its about always being right...Never in My life did I ever see such a group of thin skinned assholes..Right stats?..like interceptions,Passes knocked down that dont get accounted for..Dropped Passes by WR's that arent put on the responsibility of the WR..Get your head out of your asses..I mean...really?
No...Its only false to you because it doesnt agree with your philosophy .Like all stupid kids like you and vag...its not really about the stats...Its about always being right...Never in My life did I ever see such a group of thin skinned assholes..Right stats?..like interceptions,Passes knocked down that dont get accounted for..Dropped Passes by WR's that arent put on the responsibility of the WR..Get your head out of your asses..I mean...really?
It's not about always being right. I just happen to be right in this instance because you're a dumb fucking pussy.
You're right. Stats don't matter. And neither do points. And after the game everybody goes out for ice cream and then has a slumber party.
You tell me to get my head out of my ass...I tell you to get yours out of your vagina.
People who say stats don't matter are people who grew up losing and had to find a way to make themselves feel good.
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No...Its only false to you because it doesnt agree with your philosophy .Like all stupid kids like you and vag...its not really about the stats...Its about always being right...Never in My life did I ever see such a group of thin skinned assholes..Right stats?..like interceptions,Passes knocked down that dont get accounted for..Dropped Passes by WR's that arent put on the responsibility of the WR..Get your head out of your asses..I mean...really?
It's not about always being right. I just happen to be right in this instance because you're a dumb fucking pussy.
You're right. Stats don't matter. And neither do points. And after the game everybody goes out for ice cream and then has a slumber party.
You tell me to get my head out of my ass...I tell you to get yours out of your vagina.
People who say stats don't matter are people who grew up losing and had to find a way to make themselves feel good.
It's not about always being right. I just happen to be right in this instance because you're a dumb fucking pussy.
You're right. Stats don't matter. And neither do points. And after the game everybody goes out for ice cream and then has a slumber party.
You tell me to get my head out of my ass...I tell you to get yours out of your vagina.
People who say stats don't matter are people who grew up losing and had to find a way to make themselves feel good.
Come on sonny,let it all out...all I said is stats dont tell the entire story. Only part of the story...Now go play with your legos or something...jesus...stupid kids...
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