Seriously? Another Running Back?
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I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety
respectfully disagree.
LB yes. the other 2 positions THEY COULD HAVE upgraded tremendously in the draft and whiffed.
respectfully disagree.
LB yes. the other 2 positions THEY COULD HAVE upgraded tremendously in the draft and whiffed.
They used their 3rd round pick on a CB...that WILL be an upgrade over Sheldon Brown.
They used a later pick on a FS.
The legit criticism comes with the trades. But it seems probable to me that they liked Gipson so well that they felt no one available from the 4th round down at that position would be as good as him.
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Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
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OK, they signed this safety Walker. That should make Skeptical et al happy now that they are getting some depth in the backfield, no?
Walker? Can't be the football player!? He's no good.
Oh, I know what Walker they signed ... the big, slow guy -- the Walker that the Empire used on the ice planet Hoth in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back." Wow, doesn't need to be fast. Just pretty much sits back there and reaches out and knocks people down, or fires a stun gun at them if they get open down field.
Now I understand why Lombardi put almost no emphasis at all on upgrading the secondary! He's got the Walker! All makes sense now!
Skeptical2013 said:
Walker? Can't be the football player!? He's no good.
Oh, I know what Walker they signed ... the big, slow guy -- the Walker that the Empire used on the ice planet Hoth in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back." Wow, doesn't need to be fast. Just pretty much sits back there and reaches out and knocks people down, or fires a stun gun at them if they get open down field.
Now I understand why Lombardi put almost no emphasis at all on upgrading the secondary! He's got the Walker! All makes sense now!
Do you even know anything about the guy? I would bet not.....he is not a "big name" whose jock strap you have sniffed.
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I am not confident that Lombardi will make good use of those extra picks in the 2014 draft.
OK, possibly the acorn that the blind squirrel found. No one, I think, around here has much confidence in Lombardi.
Nevertheless, I am not going to automatically assume every move he makes is bad.
I don't trust him..with reason....but I still have no choice but to give him a chance.
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Hardesty has been injured his whole time....Rambo will be in rehab before you can blink...and Slaughter will Slaughter anyone coming into his zone the way Webster Slaughter slaughtered defensive backs.
Rambo won't be able to bring his AKM on the field with him, thus he will be rendered harmless.
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Skeptical2013 said:
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Here is the answer: no one fucking knows at this point. No one, particularly not you.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
And yet, one of the best players in the last decade that occupies the position that Austin will primarily occupy: kick returner, was an undrafted QB from a mid-size midwestern school.
So, who really knows.
I am not saying I don't like Austin...or that it would not have been nice to have him on the Browns....but the Browns needs were far away elsewhere....and clearly, clearly, the Browns hierarchy was drooling over Mingo the way you seem to be drooling over Austin.
And guess whose voice counts? Not yours.
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So ... if Lombardi trades ... he's an idiot. If Lombardi drafts ... he's an idiot.
Don't trade because you'll screw up the future draft picks.
Don't draft because you'll screw up the current draft picks.
I guess Lombardi needs to put a bullet in his brain so that this franchise can go back to being the successful franchise it was before he arrived and started making all of these idiotic decisions.
Zombo
--Can't he see the lack of depth in the secondary ... oh the humanity!
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So ... if Lombardi trades ... he's an idiot. If Lombardi drafts ... he's an idiot.
Don't trade because you'll screw up the future draft picks.
Don't draft because you'll screw up the current draft picks.
I guess Lombardi needs to put a bullet in his brain so that this franchise can go back to being the successful franchise it was before he arrived and started making all of these idiotic decisions.
Zombo
--Can't he see the lack of depth in the secondary ... oh the humanity!
Zombo said:
So ... if Lombardi trades ... he's an idiot. If Lombardi drafts ... he's an idiot.
Don't trade because you'll screw up the future draft picks.
Don't draft because you'll screw up the current draft picks.
I guess Lombardi needs to put a bullet in his brain so that this franchise can go back to being the successful franchise it was before he arrived and started making all of these idiotic decisions.
Zombo
--Can't he see the lack of depth in the secondary ... oh the humanity!
Do we get a compensatory draft pick if he does that?
If so, I would be okay with that scenario.
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The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
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Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
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Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
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Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
Just because two players have similar playing styles and physical attributes, doesn't make them just as good as each other.
I haven't seen enough of either to tell you definitively why one is better, but consider just the fact that St Louis traded up in the first to get him, and benjamin was taken in the 4th and you have an idea that they're not of equal talent.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Shanahan is famous for plugging late round running backs into his system and making them effective. He sure as shit is not known for having some kind of crystal ball with every position late in the draft. This is your logic. He had a good 6th round pick last year, this year has to be the same.
Oh Hardesty looked good in college. He has done so well in the NFL that Rambo has to be good cause that is the kind of great talent evaluator I am!
Oh you guys want me to write ONE MORE FUCKING REPLY POST! I'd sure love to write 10 in a row!
I'm confused, you think Lombardi is a rubbish talent evaluator, so you want him to use those two picks on people he thinks are good? Or are we just rehashing the draft again and again?
You forget, Lombadi can't tie his shoes unless by committee. That is what this dip shit doesn't get. 4 people made the decision on each pick. Lombadi, Banner, Chud, and Farmer. But Skeptical is right. It's all Lombardis fault. 4 grown as men with decades of football experiance for 6 rounds said, That Rambo kid isn't worth the sweat on my balls.
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
The guy is going to get the shit knocked out of him. He will have a similar injury history that Jackson has, which alone doesn't make him worth a top 10 pick.
Shanahan is famous for plugging late round running backs into his system and making them effective. He sure as shit is not known for having some kind of crystal ball with every position late in the draft. This is your logic. He had a good 6th round pick last year, this year has to be the same.
Oh Hardesty looked good in college. He has done so well in the NFL that Rambo has to be good cause that is the kind of great talent evaluator I am!
Oh you guys want me to write ONE MORE FUCKING REPLY POST! I'd sure love to write 10 in a row!
You forget, Lombadi can't tie his shoes unless by committee. That is what this dip shit doesn't get. 4 people made the decision on each pick. Lombadi, Banner, Chud, and Farmer. But Skeptical is right. It's all Lombardis fault. 4 grown as men with decades of football experiance for 6 rounds said, That Rambo kid isn't worth the sweat on my balls.
The guy is going to get the shit knocked out of him. He will have a similar injury history that Jackson has, which alone doesn't make him worth a top 10 pick.
We're all entitled to our opinions, and I respect yours, even though we differ. I'm not a fan of Lombardi's draft nor much of their approach in free agency. Today we learn that TRich has a minor injury and is sitting out OTAs and Cameron is out, too. Browns have some decent RB backups, but their options at TE are just plain awful. One of the big mistakes Lombardi made was his failure to set up free agency to aggressively pursue a quality TE and then compounding that mistake by not using the draft to take a TE in the first four rounds, which he could have done if he had made the trade with St. Louis.
If Mingo doesn't pan out as a first round quality talent, this draft will go down as another swing and miss for Lombardi, who is one of the worst talent evaluators in pro football history. Remember, Lombadi went on TV last year and said taking Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft was a mistake! That's as good as any example of his horrific abltiy to evaluate anything.
Lombardi's the kind of guy who overpays for a Volvo because that's his choice, he's proud of it, and he thinks Lexus stinks.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
And yet, one of the best players in the last decade that occupies the position that Austin will primarily occupy: kick returner, was an undrafted QB from a mid-size midwestern school.
So, who really knows.
I am not saying I don't like Austin...or that it would not have been nice to have him on the Browns....but the Browns needs were far away elsewhere....and clearly, clearly, the Browns hierarchy was drooling over Mingo the way you seem to be drooling over Austin.
And guess whose voice counts? Not yours.
And yet, one of the best players in the last decade that occupies the position that Austin will primarily occupy: kick returner, was an undrafted QB from a mid-size midwestern school.
So, who really knows.
I am not saying I don't like Austin...or that it would not have been nice to have him on the Browns....but the Browns needs were far away elsewhere....and clearly, clearly, the Browns hierarchy was drooling over Mingo the way you seem to be drooling over Austin.
And guess whose voice counts? Not yours.
Shows your lack of knowledge about Austin you have him type-cast as a kick returner. He's a great runner, he's a great receiver, he's a great kick off returner, he does it all.
And here's a really good part: Unlike many Browns draft picks past and present, Austin has never beeen injured, at all, in 8 years of playing.
I agree that my voice didn't count. I will tell you with great confidence that Austin will have a better NFL career than Mingo.
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Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
It's clear you don't watch players play. Anybody who has watched Austin play is awed by his explosiveness. He's going to be a great one, a better Percy Harvin.
And if you had actually watched Bacarri Rambo play, you might have a different view of him. But then again, maybe not. Some people have an eye for talent, others do not.
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I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
It's clear you don't watch players play. Anybody who has watched Austin play is awed by his explosiveness. He's going to be a great one, a better Percy Harvin.
And if you had actually watched Bacarri Rambo play, you might have a different view of him. But then again, maybe not. Some people have an eye for talent, others do not.
Skeptical2013 said:
It's clear you don't watch players play. Anybody who has watched Austin play is awed by his explosiveness. He's going to be a great one, a better Percy Harvin.
And if you had actually watched Bacarri Rambo play, you might have a different view of him. But then again, maybe not. Some people have an eye for talent, others do not.
I have seen thousands of players play in college that look like gangbusters...but when they turn pro.....not so much.
You are probably the kind of guy that would have raved about how great Brian Bosworth was compared to say, Chris Spielman.
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As for explosiveness....have you seen this:
As for explosiveness....have you seen this:
2nd one @ 2.15
back when Cleveland's 12 man had a legit voice. listen to that...truly a different time.
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Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
I see no substance in your reply. What does Austin do, what does he possess that Benjamin doesn't?
They are of similar height and weight...and speed...and do the same things reasonably equally.
What are the tangible traits....or intangible traits...that make you think Austin will be so far superior?
Skills? What are those "skills"?
ability to get open, ability to make plays after the catch(not go down because you might get a booboo), make defenders miss, run routes, come out of the backfield.. Just because a player has same dimensions doesnt mean they are the same type of football players. TB is a poor mans Daunte Hall..
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Travis Benjamin? Doesn't make defenders miss? Doesn't run routes, can't get open...can't make plays after the catch...not explosive?Seriously?The grass is not greener just because it's on the other side of the fence...It would have been foolish to draft Austin this year, when they already have Benjamin on the team.They NEEDED a dynamic pass rusher.
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