Minicamp Reports, 5-23
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Yeah, Jeremiah just listed T.Y. Hilton and Gordon has "buys" in fantasy. Expects Gordon to have 80+ catches, Hilton 70+. If Gordon has 80 catches at 15, that's 1,200 yards... and that draws coverage which opens up others like Little, Bess, Cameron, et al. It's the first domino to fall, something we haven't had in quite some time.
I don't think Gordon will reach 80 catches. That's way too optimistic.
Skeptical2013 said:
I don't think Gordon will reach 80 catches. That's way too optimistic.
He may not, but IMO the biggest reason is we may have 4 players with over 50 catces each. Little, Bess, and Cameron are going to be factors.
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Skeptical2013 said:
I don't think Gordon will reach 80 catches. That's way too optimistic.
He may not, but IMO the biggest reason is we may have 4 players with over 50 catces each. Little, Bess, and Cameron are going to be factors.
He may not, but IMO the biggest reason is we may have 4 players with over 50 catces each. Little, Bess, and Cameron are going to be factors.
That's possible. But don't you worry about the fragile Cameron staying healthy?
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Skeptical2013 said:
That's possible. But don't you worry about the fragile Cameron staying healthy?
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
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Curious about Barnidge. He's an under the radar pickup but Chud told people all he needs is looks and experience because, like Cameron, he's an athletic guy who can catch. Makes me think of Jacob Tamme. Sometimes guys are as good as you let them be. A lot of media guys tweeted Thursday that Barnidge indeed looks fluid and athletic and catches everything.
We'll see. We have a lot of guys who can make plays in the passing game, especially assuming David Nelson gets right by camp.
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Skeptical2013 said:
That's possible. But don't you worry about the fragile Cameron staying healthy?
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
If you did your homework you'd learn that Kellen Davis was practically run out of town in Chicago, he was so bad. The fans called him "Stone Hands." Maybe he can block, but the guy can't catch very well, maybe one of the worst pass catching TE's in the league. Browns need blcoking TEs but they also need TEs who can catch the damn ball! Davis is not one of them.
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Curious about Barnidge. He's an under the radar pickup but Chud told people all he needs is looks and experience because, like Cameron, he's an athletic guy who can catch. Makes me think of Jacob Tamme. Sometimes guys are as good as you let them be. A lot of media guys tweeted Thursday that Barnidge indeed looks fluid and athletic and catches everything.
We'll see. We have a lot of guys who can make plays in the passing game, especially assuming David Nelson gets right by camp.
Curious about Barnidge. He's an under the radar pickup but Chud told people all he needs is looks and experience because, like Cameron, he's an athletic guy who can catch. Makes me think of Jacob Tamme. Sometimes guys are as good as you let them be. A lot of media guys tweeted Thursday that Barnidge indeed looks fluid and athletic and catches everything.
We'll see. We have a lot of guys who can make plays in the passing game, especially assuming David Nelson gets right by camp.
Barnidge played for Chud in Carolina and accomplished nothing in the receiving game for a team that had Cam Newton as QB and an explosive offense. He may be able to block, but don't expect much in the receiving game from him.
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Zombo said:
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
If you did your homework you'd learn that Kellen Davis was practically run out of town in Chicago, he was so bad. The fans called him "Stone Hands." Maybe he can block, but the guy can't catch very well, maybe one of the worst pass catching TE's in the league. Browns need blcoking TEs but they also need TEs who can catch the damn ball! Davis is not one of them.
Skeptical2013 said:
If you did your homework you'd learn that Kellen Davis was practically run out of town in Chicago, he was so bad. The fans called him "Stone Hands." Maybe he can block, but the guy can't catch very well, maybe one of the worst pass catching TE's in the league. Browns need blcoking TEs but they also need TEs who can catch the damn ball! Davis is not one of them.
I did my homework, assfuck, read it again. I talked about the failures, the drops and getting run out of town.
As a Browns fan, I am hoping he can get it together in Cleveland.
Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
I'm not sure what is other than extreme backup free safety scouting.
Zombo
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Skeptical2013 said:
If you did your homework you'd learn that Kellen Davis was practically run out of town in Chicago, he was so bad. The fans called him "Stone Hands." Maybe he can block, but the guy can't catch very well, maybe one of the worst pass catching TE's in the league. Browns need blcoking TEs but they also need TEs who can catch the damn ball! Davis is not one of them.
I did my homework, assfuck, read it again. I talked about the failures, the drops and getting run out of town.
As a Browns fan, I am hoping he can get it together in Cleveland.
Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
I'm not sure what is other than extreme backup free safety scouting.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I did my homework, assfuck, read it again. I talked about the failures, the drops and getting run out of town.
As a Browns fan, I am hoping he can get it together in Cleveland.
Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
I'm not sure what is other than extreme backup free safety scouting.
Zombo
Davis flat out stinks. That is why no one wanted him but the Browns. Browns fans have been hoping that stiffs produce for 14 years now and it hasn't happened. Your hoping that a guy who was the laughing stock of Chicago Bears football and run out of town will produce in Cleveland is a joke in itself!
No pressure on Davis? Thee will be big time pressure on Davis because Cameron, the starting TE who has proven nothing in two years with the Browns, gets hurt all the time, even though he hardly plays. Say "boo" and Cameron is hurt. So "Stone Hands" Davis will play a lot, drop a lot of passes, and take Little's place as the Browns' Mr. Dropsy and drive killer.
Browns need some playmakers at TE. They were available in free agency and the draft, and Lombardi decided to go with Mr. always hurt proven nothing as his starter, add a FA called "stone hands," and another TE who has only caught 18 passes in 5 years of professional football. It's a pathetic display of inept management.
Meanwhile, good reports coming in about safeties Philip Thomas and Bacari Rambo in Washington, both of whom were available for the Browns to draft in later rounds. Thomas and Rambo are intercepting passes, recovering fumbles, all over the field. Meanwhile, the Browns' safety selection, the aptly named Slaughter, contrinues to sit on the sidelines nursing his injury. Nice job Lombardi and Zombo!
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Wow, this is such a strange dynamic. Skeptical posts that anybody the Browns take/sign is doomed to suckage and anybody they don't take/sign is destined for imminent greatness. He's also the most prolific poster so the overall thesis here is that the Browns suck and following them is going to be a horrible experience forever and ever.
Again, tough to understand how that's fun.
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Skeptical2013 said:
That's possible. But don't you worry about the fragile Cameron staying healthy?
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
Gotta love Zombo's optimism about Kellen Davis. He thinks that Chud is going to wave his magic wand and Davis, a total failure in Chicago, will suddenly transform (we've heard that Gary Barnidge, a zero in 5 years in Carolina, is going to suddenly blossom into a great TE receiver, too!).
Below are two stories about Davis among dozens of negative articles about him.
While Zombo tells us Davis is a great blocker, as noted in the article, Davis was heavily critizied by Chicago fans for his poor blocking and falling down. Some of the Bears fans comments in this first article about Davis's terrible receiving and poor blocking are priceless! They are so happy to see him out!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000150316/article/kellen-davis-released-by-chicago-bears
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Wow, this is such a strange dynamic. Skeptical posts that anybody the Browns take/sign is doomed to suckage and anybody they don't take/sign is destined for imminent greatness. He's also the most prolific poster so the overall thesis here is that the Browns suck and following them is going to be a horrible experience forever and ever.
Again, tough to understand how that's fun.
Wow, this is such a strange dynamic. Skeptical posts that anybody the Browns take/sign is doomed to suckage and anybody they don't take/sign is destined for imminent greatness. He's also the most prolific poster so the overall thesis here is that the Browns suck and following them is going to be a horrible experience forever and ever.
Again, tough to understand how that's fun.
Some of the quality signings by the Browns this off season:
Dion Lewis -- really excited about having him on the roster, a dynamic player.
Desmond Bryant -- he'll be a real force up front if he can stay off the police blotter
Bess and Nelson -- Quality receivers will add important depth to the receiving corps with ability to make plays in the clutch
Draft and UDFA -- OG Gilkey a real value in round 7 and UDFA Chris Faulk from LSU is a potential NFL star
LB Groves -- Adds quality depth at OLB
Meanwhile, players like Kruger, Davis and Owens among those rated very low in ESPN's comprehensive ratings of all the free agents. In fact, players the Browns let go, like MoMass and Cribbs, are rated almost as high as Kruger.
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Skeptical2013 said:
That's possible. But don't you worry about the fragile Cameron staying healthy?
Not really, or at least any more than any other player on the team. The only guys I worry about are the players who always seem to have pulled muscles. Those seem to be chronic with some players. Guys who simply get injured don't worry me much since past injuries don't predict future injuries.
Some guys never get hurt, but that doesn't mean they won't or can't on the next snap, so just because a player has missed time in the past doesn't preclude him from playing out the rest of his career injury free.
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Seems to me that our Browns had a pretty fair LB named Clay Matthews Jr who blew a knee out in about his 4th season, yet played just a FEW healthy years following that.
Mike
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Dion Lewis, the next shady McCoy, will be our starting tailback at some point this season. Mark it
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uh, no. bowe sucks. he's just a beneficiary of being the only target on that team. on any other team he'd be the #3.
i'd take gordon or little any day over him.
That's interesting because Bowe was named the 65th best player in the NFL for 2013 by the players themselves in the in-depth NFL Network listing being featured heavily on NFL Network right now. They've identified players 41-100 on the list so far and I haven't heard Josh Gordon's name called, Clearly the players have a mich higher opinoin of Bowe than you do!
The only Browns player onthe list so far is Trent Richardson, at #71. I suspect Joe Thomas will make the list and maybe Joe Haden.
Skeptical2013 said:
That's interesting because Bowe was named the 65th best player in the NFL for 2013 by the players themselves in the in-depth NFL Network listing being featured heavily on NFL Network right now. They've identified players 41-100 on the list so far and I haven't heard Josh Gordon's name called, Clearly the players have a mich higher opinoin of Bowe than you do!
yeah, and so?
if you feel soooo strongly about bowe being some top tier receiver as i feel gordon will be this year, how about put your money where your mouth is, puss boy/girl?
six of my fave beverage against six of yours? the final stats all combined to who was a better receiver of this upcoming year (time warp...). suspended or injured, doesn't matter, all stats combined at end of year.
how 'bout it puss boy? do ya got it in ya?
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Oh, dear God. Paul Kruger's back gets well and he goes on a tear, 12 sacks in his last 12 games through the championship... and he's of lesser value than Massoqoui who has done slightly more than I have as an NFL player.
You have officially outed yourself as some kind of macabre performance art with an underlying message about the Internet's corrosive effect on truth. You've jumped the shark, though.
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Oh, dear God. Paul Kruger's back gets well and he goes on a tear, 12 sacks in his last 12 games through the championship... and he's of lesser value than Massoqoui who has done slightly more than I have as an NFL player.
You have officially outed yourself as some kind of macabre performance art with an underlying message about the Internet's corrosive effect on truth. You've jumped the shark, though.
Oh, dear God. Paul Kruger's back gets well and he goes on a tear, 12 sacks in his last 12 games through the championship... and he's of lesser value than Massoqoui who has done slightly more than I have as an NFL player.
You have officially outed yourself as some kind of macabre performance art with an underlying message about the Internet's corrosive effect on truth. You've jumped the shark, though.
I'm only reporting what ESPN Insider reported and the analysis work was completed for them by the well known and credible Scouts, Inc.
Actually, Kruger is rated ahead of MoMass, with a rating of 75 vs. 72. But Sheldon Browns (76) and Phil Dawson (77) are rated ahead of Kruger. Ben Watson is at 73.
In all, Kruger is in a tie with a bunch of players, including Payton HIllis, as the 90th best free agent. Jake Long was rated the best free agent.
Now, I personally rate Kruger much higher than 90th best FA, but this is another indicator that a lot of people think Kruger's stats last year were vastly inflated by the presence of Terrell Suggs and the fact that Kruger is really a part-time player, so bad against tthe run he was only in the Super Bowl game for one-third of the plays.
I like the idea of having Kruger on the Browns as a part-time pass rusher, it's just that we way overpaid for him in the opinion of many experts. Kruger can't play the run, according to his own defensive coaches in Baltimore and other observers around the league. I also am miffed that Lombardi paid so much attention to Kruger and didn't make it an equal priority to acquire quality FAs at tight end and in the secondary.
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Zombo said:
Well, yes ... but let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment.
Kellen Davis is a massive target and, by all reports, a good athlete.
The knock on him was his work ethic.
In 2011, he was a victim of a Mike Martz offense that forgot they had a tight end.
In 2012, he had a bad case of the dropsies, which secured his ticket out of town.
But maybe, just maybe, in Chud's tight-end friendly system, with no pressure coming in as the projected backup, this kid will pull his head out of his ass and salvage his NFL career.
I mean ... Norv Turner and a 6'7 athletic tight end ... it can happen, right?
Nevermind ... carry on with the skeptical stuff.
Zombo
Gotta love Zombo's optimism about Kellen Davis. He thinks that Chud is going to wave his magic wand and Davis, a total failure in Chicago, will suddenly transform (we've heard that Gary Barnidge, a zero in 5 years in Carolina, is going to suddenly blossom into a great TE receiver, too!).
Below are two stories about Davis among dozens of negative articles about him.
While Zombo tells us Davis is a great blocker, as noted in the article, Davis was heavily critizied by Chicago fans for his poor blocking and falling down. Some of the Bears fans comments in this first article about Davis's terrible receiving and poor blocking are priceless! They are so happy to see him out!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000150316/article/kellen-davis-released-by-chicago-bears
Skeptical2013 said:
While Zombo tells us Davis is a great blocker,
Jeezus H. Fuck, Dicktits, You have quoted me three times, but still have not actually read, or comprehended what I said.
First of all, I never mentioned his blocking. Never alluded to it, have never spoken of it, or judged it, in my entire live-long life.
Second of all, the post begins "Let's put on the rose-colored glasses for a moment ..."
It actually says that.
And I know your cognitive abilities are lacking, you prove that over and over, but every assfuck that has made it past the fifth grade knows what the fuck that phrase means.
But not "Skeptical", he has to tell us how he knows how this guy has dropped passes and failed in his last opportunity. We already know that, penislicker, that was a given and implied.
But as Browns FANS, I was offering some hope ... I was saying "wouldn't it be a great surprise if this huge athletic kid got his shit together in Cleveland with this coaching staff?"
I don't expect it. I imagine Kellen Davis will continue to be Kellen Davis and we'll be looking for another backup tight end next year. But you never know, the staff may get him turned around and that would be good for everybody ... I thought ... then I met you.
That would be bad for you, because Mike Lombardi was our GM when this kid was brought in, and, as we all know, you think the experienced, articulate Lombardi is the dumbest fuck who ever walked planet earth and he has to fail miserably in Cleveland for you to to feel good about yourself and your cloud of gloom that you have brought to our board.
But this is no normal man hate, this is personal isn't it? Because when Mike Lombardi was in Cleveland in the early 90's ... he fucked your wife.
He had to.
There is no other reason for this angst, and bitterness and constant vilification for everything that this administration does, that you have brought to our board.
He fucked her, and he fucked her hard. He stuck his Italian salami in places you only dreamed about going in with your pencil dick. And he made her scream like you never have or never will. And sometimes at night, your wife still moans out his name.
"Mike ... Mike ... give Mommy her meat snake"
That is the only possible explanation for your vile hatred for the organization that the rest of us hope for, root for, and invest our hard-earned Sundays into.
Fuck off. This board isn't for you. We're Browns fans. And we're allowed to get mad at our team, criticize our team, and even dislike certain players or administrators. But to just shit on the team night and day ... we can get that from the Steeler fans.
But at least they have some integrity. They are on a mission, representing their team
You're just a bitter, old, assfuck who wants to make everybody miserable. That's your mission. Accomplish it somewhere else.
Zombo
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Meanwhile, good reports coming in about safeties Philip Thomas and Bacari Rambo in Washington, both of whom were available for the Browns to draft in later rounds. Thomas and Rambo are intercepting passes, recovering fumbles, all over the field. Meanwhile, the Browns' safety selection, the aptly named Slaughter, contrinues to sit on the sidelines nursing his injury. Nice job Lombardi and Zombo!
So? If these meager rookies are doing all that in practice against that Redskins offense, the tells me more about that offense than about these rookie DBs....i.e. that RGIII and Kirk Cousins must be having some kind of a suckass training camp.
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Wow, this is such a strange dynamic. Skeptical posts that anybody the Browns take/sign is doomed to suckage and anybody they don't take/sign is destined for imminent greatness. He's also the most prolific poster so the overall thesis here is that the Browns suck and following them is going to be a horrible experience forever and ever.
Again, tough to understand how that's fun.
Some of the quality signings by the Browns this off season:
Dion Lewis -- really excited about having him on the roster, a dynamic player.
Desmond Bryant -- he'll be a real force up front if he can stay off the police blotter
Bess and Nelson -- Quality receivers will add important depth to the receiving corps with ability to make plays in the clutch
Draft and UDFA -- OG Gilkey a real value in round 7 and UDFA Chris Faulk from LSU is a potential NFL star
LB Groves -- Adds quality depth at OLB
Meanwhile, players like Kruger, Davis and Owens among those rated very low in ESPN's comprehensive ratings of all the free agents. In fact, players the Browns let go, like MoMass and Cribbs, are rated almost as high as Kruger.
Skeptical2013 said:
Some of the quality signings by the Browns this off season:
Dion Lewis -- really excited about having him on the roster, a dynamic player.
Desmond Bryant -- he'll be a real force up front if he can stay off the police blotter
Bess and Nelson -- Quality receivers will add important depth to the receiving corps with ability to make plays in the clutch
Draft and UDFA -- OG Gilkey a real value in round 7 and UDFA Chris Faulk from LSU is a potential NFL star
LB Groves -- Adds quality depth at OLB
Meanwhile, players like Kruger, Davis and Owens among those rated very low in ESPN's comprehensive ratings of all the free agents. In fact, players the Browns let go, like MoMass and Cribbs, are rated almost as high as Kruger.
And yet, others....like Bill Polian, who works for ESPN, rated Michael Wallace and Paul Kruger the #1 and #2 FAs available.
Now, I don't know who is doing ESPNs rankings on this.....but if anyone has talent scouting credibility it is Bill Polian.
So much for that bit of dumbassery.
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