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    NATION


    PRISM by the Numbers: A Guide to the Government’s Secret Internet Data-Mining Program
    By Victor LuckersonJune 06, 201311 Comments







    • One day after The Guardian revealed that the U.S. government has been secretly collecting call log data from millions of Verizon customers, The Washington Post reported Thursday that the government’s monitoring of American’s data goes much, much deeper. The FBI and the National Security Agency are mining the servers of the country’s biggest technology companies for the purpose of hunting spies and terrorists. The program, code-named PRISM, is massive in scope and involves web services that many Americans use every day.


    To make all this shadowy surveillance easier to digest, here are the relevant data points about the massive data collection:


    (MORE: 7 Things to Know About the Government’s Secret Database of Telephone Data)



    9

    The number of tech companies involved in the PRISM program. Here’s a list, from an NSA slideshow, including the date when monitoring began:


    • Microsoft (September 2007)
    • Yahoo (March 2008)
    • Google (January 2009)
    • Facebook (June 2009)
    • PalTalk (December 2009)
    • YouTube (September 2010)
    • Skype (February 2011)
    • AOL (March 2011)
    • Apple (October 2012)

    So far Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Yahoo have flatly denied that they provide the government backdoor access to their services, according to a variety of news sources. Twitter, which says it has been particularly vigilant in protecting user data from government agencies, is notably absent from the list. Dropbox is next in line to be added to PRISM, according to the Post.



    10

    The number of different types of data that are collected through PRISM. E-mails, instant messages, videos, photos, stored data (likely items stored on cloud services like Google Drive), voice chats, file transfers, video conferences, log-in times, and social network profile details have all been monitored by the government. Through PRISM NSA officials can even conduct live surveillance of someone doing a Google search, according to the Post.


    (MORE: The NSA Snooping Scoop: Behind the Guardian‘s Risky Plans for Global Expansion)



    $20 million

    The annual cost of PRISM, according to NSA documents obtained by the Post



    2007

    The year PRISM was established. The Post describes an “exponential growth” in the program since President Obama took office. The government has snooped on other forms of communication in recent years as well. On Thursday, Senator Dianne Feinstein confirmed that the NSA phone log database has been in place for at least seven years.



    1,477

    The number of times PRISM data was cited in 2012 as part of President Obama’s daily briefing, a high-level intelligence presentation given to the president, the vice president and select cabinet members. According to the Post, at least 1 in 7 intelligence reports from the NSA make use of PRISM data.



    51%

    Confidence level intelligence officials are supposed to have of a target’s “foreignness” to make use of PRISM data. The massive database is aimed at surveilling spies and foreign terrorists, not Americans. However, large amounts of American user data is also picked up as officials hunt for threats. The NSA describes this as “incidental.”



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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
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        That was close.

        I always upload my terrorist plans on Drop box to colab with either terrorists about terror. And I post about the terror on Twitter while following other terrorists. Terror

        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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          Not to nit-pick with the whole Obama-second-coming-of-Hitler/Stalin/Mao agenda going on here, but this was started before he was in office. Hell, in your post you've said that Microsoft was the first to join, in 2007.

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            W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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            That's true Chris. I wonder if someone has that YouTube clip of candidate Obama railing about it then.

            Now? Not so much.

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              DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              Yes and it has expanded greatly under his Presidency.

              "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                This should be fun because I don't think anyone in here besides me objected to it at the time.

                I think these are gross and clear violations of the 4th Amendment, but that view has almost become quaint these days. But again, none of these revelations were new to me. They've been doing this stuff for years. We've known about it for years. This is more like a refresher course.

                I'm happy the country is learning - or re-learning - just how much they've traded in liberty for the promise of security. And my guess? It won't be dialed back one single bit.

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                  This should be fun because I don't think anyone in here besides me objected to it at the time.

                  I think these are gross and clear violations of the 4th Amendment, but that view has almost become quaint these days. But again, none of these revelations were new to me. They've been doing this stuff for years. We've known about it for years. This is more like a refresher course.

                  I'm happy the country is learning - or re-learning - just how much they've traded in liberty for the promise of security. And my guess? It won't be dialed back one single bit.

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                  @heckofajobbrownie said:

                  I'm happy the country is learning - or re-learning - just how much they've traded in liberty for the promise of security. And my guess? It won't be dialed back one single bit.

                  It's basically a direct trade-off. No security is great when you're talking about your freedom, constitutional rights etc. but when some fundamentalist (of any description) takes your head off with a gun/bomb/sword/potato peeler then people will start to ask questions.

                  Frankly, I have nothing to hide, no secrets that I desperately want to keep from the government, so it doesn't bother me one iota. Sure, I'm not going to share my internet history with my mother, but I'm not doing anything illegal.

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                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                    I agree with Chris here. Yeah yeah, slippery slope and all that, but I'm not doing anything illegal.

                    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                      That was close.

                      I always upload my terrorist plans on Drop box to colab with either terrorists about terror. And I post about the terror on Twitter while following other terrorists. Terror

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                      Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by Kosar_For_President
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                      @mld-woody said:

                      That was close.

                      I always upload my terrorist plans on Drop box to colab with either terrorists about terror. And I post about the terror on Twitter while following other terrorists. Terror

                      Ahhhh, the old, "well if I am not doing anything wrong, who cares" adage. Dude my father, brother, aunt, Die Hard and other people have been fighting this totalitarian bullshit for a century. It doesn't matter that you are doing nothing "wrong". Pure violation of OUR rights not just YOURS numb nuts.

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                        Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on last edited by
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                        http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html

                        More lies from this asshole.

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          That was close.

                          I always upload my terrorist plans on Drop box to colab with either terrorists about terror. And I post about the terror on Twitter while following other terrorists. Terror

                          Ahhhh, the old, "well if I am not doing anything wrong, who cares" adage. Dude my father, brother, aunt, Die Hard and other people have been fighting this totalitarian bullshit for a century. It doesn't matter that you are doing nothing "wrong". Pure violation of OUR rights not just YOURS numb nuts.

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @kosar_for_president said:

                          Ahhhh, the old, "well if I am not doing anything wrong, who cares" adage. Dude my father, brother, aunt, Die Hard and other people have been fighting this totalitarian bullshit for a century. It doesn't matter that you are doing nothing "wrong". Pure violation of OUR rights not just YOURS numb nuts.

                          Its not like they're removing freedom of speech or remote accessing everyone's computer.

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                            I'm with Kosar. "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care if the government records everything I do on the phone/internet?" Really? Yikes.

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                              http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html

                              More lies from this asshole.

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                              @kosar_for_president said:

                              http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html

                              More lies from this asshole.

                              Stay tuned for the "well, they all lie" defense.

                              The fact is that this fraud has a compilation of lies that far exceed his predecessors...and the media never calls him out on it.

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                                I'm with Kosar. "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care if the government records everything I do on the phone/internet?" Really? Yikes.

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                @heckofajobbrownie said:

                                I'm with Kosar. "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care if the government records everything I do on the phone/internet?" Really? Yikes.

                                Are they recording everything? I never said I don't care what they do, I just don't think this is a giant outrage. If it was expanded then we could talk.

                                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                  H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                                  How about this, fellas?

                                  "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care if the government records all of my phone conversations and every email, text, video I send, and keeps them in a database for future investigations."

                                  Sound good to you? Or would that sound more like East Germany?

                                  "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

                                  So forget the part about our houses and papers and effects. Forget the "unreasonable" part, the part about warrants, the part about probably cause, and the part where you have to get a judge to swear off on it, or the part about describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

                                  Other than everything is the goddamn 4th Amendment, this sounds perfectly legal.

                                  But hey, it's okay, because they're not "targeting" you.

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                                    H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                                    And come on, where are all you guys who heard about this last time and were furious ....at the New York Times for publishing the story?

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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      The article doesn't say they're recording phone conversations, just call logs.

                                      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                        H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                                        I know. I'm asking if you'd be okay with that. You're not doing anything wrong, after all.

                                        Would you?

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                                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                          If they were listening in on my calls? I'd be more upset about that. The chances would be slim there would be a reason to spy on me, but i wouldn't like the idea.

                                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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