Laurinatis, Curry not participating in Senior Bowl
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And as I said in another thread, the practices are more important than the game. So I wouldn't make much out of Frye being MVP of the game.
And I never said that a player's Senior Bowl performance completely determines his draft stock. But it definitely plays a big role.
Wimbley finished his senior season with 7.5 sacks, 17 quarterback pressures and 4 pass breakups. He missed two games late in the year with a knee sprain, but came back to play in the Orange Bowl and the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., at the end of January.
By then, every Browns coach and scout knew to watch him. But he was still playing as a 4-3 defensive end, so there was still some guesswork involved.
The NFL game is different; it's faster, the schemes are more complex, the individual demands placed upon each player -- both on and off the field -- are more intense. Every NFL draft pick is a projection, and the projection of a college defensive end to a 3-4 outside linebacker might be the most difficult of them all.
"Until you sit down and get to know the player, see him in an individual workout, you really don't know," Rees said.
McCreight spends most of his year working with pro personnel and doesn't see most draft prospects in person until the Senior Bowl. When he saw Wimbley there, he saw an impressive physical specimen who not only looked the part, but looked like he belonged with the top-flight athletes in Mobile that week.
A Senior Bowl-record 15 players from the '06 game became first-round selections.
"He did a great job against great competition," McCreight said. "That's when I thought he could be our pick."
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Saturday, but the practices begin tomorrow.
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The rosters were just released, and Curry isn't on them.
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A few other notable non-attendees:
- Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
- Brian Orakpo, DE-OLB, Texas
- Tyson Jackson, DE-DT, LSU
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Think about it. What does a high first round draft pick have to gain? Isn't there a bigger chance he could slide then move up. Jenkins and Curry have nothing else to prove. What they need more is to get in the weight room and work with a personal trainer and also work on some speed and agility drills for the combine and their pro days.
Guys looking to move from the second round to the first or the second day to the first are guys that will benefit from bowl games not guys that will already be top 20 picks. Their grades will go up based on the combine and their pro days.
Top first rounders would be fools to play in a all star game. their are too many downsides to it. Injury and also maybe being outplayed by some nobody.
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Was he a Senior?? I thought he was some sort of redshirt status??
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@shepwrite said:
Heck would tell you that Senior Bowl Practice Week is probably the biggest week in draft season... and he has an inside source. Sure, the Combine is big on a lot of levels, including interviews and isolating them from variables, but SBPW shows them in context with future NFL players.I don't like when guys skip it, honestly, although I understand the tack. I hope Rey blows it up, looks great all week, and really thrives in the game.
I take it he's playing, Alo?
He's listed on the South roster, but it's possible that he'll back out.
It'd be smart for him to participate. Jacksonville is coaching the South squad; if he makes a great impression on the coaching staff, it's possible they could pick him at 8.
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Completely disagree, 'peen.
I don't see how....but that's cool. That is what message boards are about.
Like I said earlier.....guys can move up, and for some of them, they need to play. For some, they really can only move down.
On that subject, i have never really agreed with guys shooting up boards.
What can be learned in watching guys in shorts that couldn't be learned watching them during the season??
This is where I think scouts screw things up and talk themselves out of things or in to things that aren't there....using the cookie cutter...well...he runs 1/10th slower than we thought....or more on point, he runs 1/10th faster.....so what???
If they didn't impress you enough 4-5 weeks ago, why in the hell should they be all that impressive now......unless your scouting has been somewhat suspect all along??
I can understand guys moving a few slots one way or the other, but unless something really bad comes out, I don't understand big drops, and I don't understand big gains even more.
JMO
If it isn't in the film, some practice or 40 time isn't going to change my mind much.
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Think about it. What does a high first round draft pick have to gain? Isn't there a bigger chance he could slide then move up. Jenkins and Curry have nothing else to prove. What they need more is to get in the weight room and work with a personal trainer and also work on some speed and agility drills for the combine and their pro days.
Guys looking to move from the second round to the first or the second day to the first are guys that will benefit from bowl games not guys that will already be top 20 picks. Their grades will go up based on the combine and their pro days.
Top first rounders would be fools to play in a all star game. their are too many downsides to it. Injury and also maybe being outplayed by some nobody.
Think about it. What does a high first round draft pick have to gain? Isn't there a bigger chance he could slide then move up. Jenkins and Curry have nothing else to prove. What they need more is to get in the weight room and work with a personal trainer and also work on some speed and agility drills for the combine and their pro days.
Guys looking to move from the second round to the first or the second day to the first are guys that will benefit from bowl games not guys that will already be top 20 picks. Their grades will go up based on the combine and their pro days.
Top first rounders would be fools to play in a all star game. their are too many downsides to it. Injury and also maybe being outplayed by some nobody.
I agree with you about Jenkins & Curry - they're pretty much consensus top 10 picks.
But look at a guy like Maualuga. Mocks now have him being taken at 12, but the Senior Bowl gives him a chance to convince the Jags to take him, who pick at 8. Last year, the 8th pick (Derrick Harvey) signed a 5 year, $23.8M deal. The 12th pick (Ryan Clady) signed a 6 year, $14.75M contract. So moving up those four spots could almost double the value of Rey's rookie deal.
That's why it makes sense for Rey to participate. And that's why a guy like Laurinaitis is making a big mistake in not showing up.
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Wow, what a dud of a game. (East vs West)
I just looked at the box score and I'm not even sure the East team showed up to play.
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Wow, what a dud of a game. (East vs West)
I just looked at the box score and I'm not even sure the East team showed up to play.
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Laryngitis has nothing to worry about. Some poorly-managed team will buy into the hype and over-reach for him by a friggin' mile, just to see him become a serviceable (at best) LB in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (copyright Ron Jaworski.)
I just pray to God that it isn't us.
Laryngitis has nothing to worry about. Some poorly-managed team will buy into the hype and over-reach for him by a friggin' mile, just to see him become a serviceable (at best) LB in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (copyright Ron Jaworski.)
I just pray to God that it isn't us.
Coaches from other teams usually know their business and are not in the business of "Hyping" players. Two years in a row 11 coaches in the Big Ten voted this guy as the Big Ten's best defensive player. That alone says so much. The people who's job it is to teach football has said two years in a row that this guy is the best at that trade.
Saying what his future will be is anyone's guess and can be dabated until he goes out proves someone right or wrong.
But to say that it just hype that has got him all these awards and generally known as one of the top, if not the top MLB in the game is ridiculous.
I like him as a Will Linebacker in a 4-3 cover two type of defense. His speed which will run below 4.5 at the combines, cover skills, ability to move laterally as well as any LB and good hands (9INT's in college) will make him a good LB in the right system.
I think too often people judge him purely on what they see on TV. They don't break down tape like college and NFL coaches do. They don't take into consideration the system in which he was used in college as NFL coaches will.
I watched the Michigan game over and over and isolated on him. It was one of the greatest games I have ever seen played by a linebacker. His explosion and pursuit was something special.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin" -
Wow, what a dud of a game. (East vs West)
I just looked at the box score and I'm not even sure the East team showed up to play.
Wow, what a dud of a game.
I just looked at the box score and I'm not even sure the East team showed up to play.
I know he has the game wrong. He's refering to the East-West Shrine game. But as far as that all star game, I thought it was one of the best East-West Shrine games I've seen.
Plus, if you watch one of these games for pure entertainment purposes you are going to be very disappointed. These games are interesting only if you want to watch certain prospects. For that reason I loved that game yesterday.
For me the fun part is to use the DVR and watch plays in slow mo while isolating on various players.
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Laryngitis has nothing to worry about. Some poorly-managed team will buy into the hype and over-reach for him by a friggin' mile, just to see him become a serviceable (at best) LB in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (copyright Ron Jaworski.)
I just pray to God that it isn't us.
Coaches from other teams usually know their business and are not in the business of "Hyping" players. Two years in a row 11 coaches in the Big Ten voted this guy as the Big Ten's best defensive player. That alone says so much. The people who's job it is to teach football has said two years in a row that this guy is the best at that trade.
Saying what his future will be is anyone's guess and can be dabated until he goes out proves someone right or wrong.
But to say that it just hype that has got him all these awards and generally known as one of the top, if not the top MLB in the game is ridiculous.
I like him as a Will Linebacker in a 4-3 cover two type of defense. His speed which will run below 4.5 at the combines, cover skills, ability to move laterally as well as any LB and good hands (9INT's in college) will make him a good LB in the right system.
I think too often people judge him purely on what they see on TV. They don't break down tape like college and NFL coaches do. They don't take into consideration the system in which he was used in college as NFL coaches will.
I watched the Michigan game over and over and isolated on him. It was one of the greatest games I have ever seen played by a linebacker. His explosion and pursuit was something special.
oldcow1945 said:
I like him as a Will Linebacker in a 4-3 cover two type of defense. His speed which will run below 4.5 at the combines, cover skills, ability to move laterally as well as any LB and good hands (9INT's in college) will make him a good LB in the right system.I think too often people judge him purely on what they see on TV. They don't break down tape like college and NFL coaches do. They don't take into consideration the system in which he was used in college as NFL coaches will.
I watched the Michigan game over and over and isolated on him. It was one of the greatest games I have ever seen played by a linebacker. His explosion and pursuit was something special.
I think he's more of a 4.6 guy, though he may run sub-4.5 on OSU's crazy fast track.
And I somewhat agree with your analysis of his play. OLB in Tampa 2 could be a position where he'll flourish. But like Lance Briggs, people will say he's just a product of the system.
Still, there are worse things than drafting a semi-productive linebacker who won't make a lot of mental mistakes.
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If people have illussions of Lauranitis being Ray Lewis, then he'll be flop. If the expectaion is of him to be a solid starting LB for 10-12, he's probably gonna live up to that.
Masters said:
If people have illussions of Lauranitis being Ray Lewis, then he'll be flop. If the expectaion is of him to be a solid starting LB for 10-12, he's probably gonna live up to that.Right. There is only one Ray Lewis.
I don't even think JL is a middle guy. I think he's a future Will LB because he is wonderful in open space and a great tackler.
His weakness is shedding blockers. Not good for a Mike or Sam.
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Or he could become a 5th rounder if he gets hurt....for every reason they make sense, they don't make sense for as many reasons.
If you can move up, you can move down.
First round locks should avoid these games.
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Or he could become a 5th rounder if he gets hurt....for every reason they make sense, they don't make sense for as many reasons.
If you can move up, you can move down.
First round locks should avoid these games.
Or he could become a 5th rounder if he gets hurt....for every reason they make sense, they don't make sense for as many reasons.
Or he could get hurt during the arduous pre-Combine training, as Wisconsin CB Jack Ikegwuonu did last year. But I don't think players are going to stop trying to shave that hundredth of a second off their 40 times.
Basically, the whole draft process is about being getting as much possible money as you can. If Rey's got a chance to double his (and his agent's) earnings, he's going to go for it.
After all, how many players are going to buy, "You shouldn't play because you might suck"?
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oldcow1945 said:
I like him as a Will Linebacker in a 4-3 cover two type of defense. His speed which will run below 4.5 at the combines, cover skills, ability to move laterally as well as any LB and good hands (9INT's in college) will make him a good LB in the right system.I think too often people judge him purely on what they see on TV. They don't break down tape like college and NFL coaches do. They don't take into consideration the system in which he was used in college as NFL coaches will.
I watched the Michigan game over and over and isolated on him. It was one of the greatest games I have ever seen played by a linebacker. His explosion and pursuit was something special.
I think he's more of a 4.6 guy, though he may run sub-4.5 on OSU's crazy fast track.
And I somewhat agree with your analysis of his play. OLB in Tampa 2 could be a position where he'll flourish. But like Lance Briggs, people will say he's just a product of the system.
Still, there are worse things than drafting a semi-productive linebacker who won't make a lot of mental mistakes.
Aloysius said:
I think he's more of a 4.6 guy, though he may run sub-4.5 on OSU's crazy fast track.And I somewhat agree with your analysis of his play. OLB in Tampa 2 could be a position where he'll flourish. But like Lance Briggs, people will say he's just a product of the system.
Still, there are worse things than drafting a semi-productive linebacker who won't make a lot of mental mistakes.
I'm sorry. You are right. If he was running a sub 4.5 he'd truly be a freak.
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