Training Camp News, August 1 (It's August!)
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Gordon practiced today so it must be really minor. He also apologized for his "attitude" early in camp and Little had a talk with him. That's right: Little, a mentor already. Gordon sounds pretty flaky.
David Nelson grabbed/rubbed his knee today. They said he was "fine," but he didn't practice anymore. Solid chance he just isn't ready to play football even though surgery was a full year ago. Team has to be fuming he didn't come to Cleveland to rehab.
Derek Anderson had one HALF of a good season, the first half. He really cooled down in the last half, ended with only an 82.6 PR. I have a shit memory but it was in the 70s in the second half, which is when I started thinking it was a mirage. As you know, the next year I was totally over him.
I love watching Weeds throw a football, which is what's so galling about him sometimes. His pocket presence seems horrible. He gets rattled. I, too, hope he's just getting comfortable in the offense. You know... the one custom built for him.
Derek Anderson had one HALF of a good season, the first half. He really cooled down in the last half, ended with only an 82.6 PR. I have a shit memory but it was in the 70s in the second half, which is when I started thinking it was a mirage. As you know, the next year I was totally over him.
That bad game against Cinci which blew them a playoff spot with all his ints. was his Waterloo really
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Gordon practiced today so it must be really minor. He also apologized for his "attitude" early in camp and Little had a talk with him. That's right: Little, a mentor already. Gordon sounds pretty flaky.
David Nelson grabbed/rubbed his knee today. They said he was "fine," but he didn't practice anymore. Solid chance he just isn't ready to play football even though surgery was a full year ago. Team has to be fuming he didn't come to Cleveland to rehab.
Derek Anderson had one HALF of a good season, the first half. He really cooled down in the last half, ended with only an 82.6 PR. I have a shit memory but it was in the 70s in the second half, which is when I started thinking it was a mirage. As you know, the next year I was totally over him.
I love watching Weeds throw a football, which is what's so galling about him sometimes. His pocket presence seems horrible. He gets rattled. I, too, hope he's just getting comfortable in the offense. You know... the one custom built for him.
Gordon practiced today so it must be really minor. He also apologized for his "attitude" early in camp and Little had a talk with him. That's right: Little, a mentor already. Gordon sounds pretty flaky.
I love watching Weeds throw a football, which is what's so galling about him sometimes. His pocket presence seems horrible. He gets rattled. I, too, hope he's just getting comfortable in the offense. You know... the one custom built for him.
Good on Little... IMO it was Little's turn to motivate. Gordon seemed to motivate Little last year... by example if not by word. Once Gordon started to emerge as the dependable WR by mid-season, Little's drops grew less frequent.
Wheezy throws a pretty ball, but until he improves his reads and quickens his release, he will only be average. All last year he looked more like a pitcher complete with his little mini-wind-up. Hopefully the staff can beat the baseball out of him this camp. A slow release and staring down WR's is a bad, bad combo.
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I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
But how many 6 ft plus receivers played in the 80s??
Dolphins
Hartline 6-2
Wallace 6-0
Ravens
Smith 6-0
Jones 6-2
Vikings
Jennings 5-11
Patterson 6-3
Bengals
Green 6-4
Sanu 6-2
Bills
Johnson 6-2
Woods 6-1
Lions
Megatron 6-5
Burleson 6-0
Packers
Nelson 6-1
Jones 6-3
Chiefs
Bowe 6-2
Baldwin 6-4
Jaguars
Shorts 6-0
Blackmon 6-1
Patriots
Amendola 5-11
Jenkins 6-4
Bears
Marshall 6-4
Jeffery 6-3
Jets
Edwards 6-3
Hill 6-4
Steelers
Brown 5-11
Sanders 5-11
gonna be a lot of tests for this short secondary this year..
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well if we don't blow the doors off this year and go 10 and 6 at least we are one or two players away from having a complete defense.
something i've been bitching about for years now.......complete the team on one side of the ball.....at least!!
imagine milner across from haden? ok. i still think the mingo pick was great and we'll have guys bum rushing QBs and knocking them on their ass. except for the good ones who know to get the ball out quick etc.
gotta get that #! CB or S next year and we are complete.......then we can talk about QBs and TEs etc. (i would say Gs but sounds to me like they are doing alright).
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I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
But how many 6 ft plus receivers played in the 80s??
Dolphins
Hartline 6-2
Wallace 6-0
Ravens
Smith 6-0
Jones 6-2
Vikings
Jennings 5-11
Patterson 6-3
Bengals
Green 6-4
Sanu 6-2
Bills
Johnson 6-2
Woods 6-1
Lions
Megatron 6-5
Burleson 6-0
Packers
Nelson 6-1
Jones 6-3
Chiefs
Bowe 6-2
Baldwin 6-4
Jaguars
Shorts 6-0
Blackmon 6-1
Patriots
Amendola 5-11
Jenkins 6-4
Bears
Marshall 6-4
Jeffery 6-3
Jets
Edwards 6-3
Hill 6-4
Steelers
Brown 5-11
Sanders 5-11
gonna be a lot of tests for this short secondary this year..
But how many 6 ft plus receivers played in the 80s??
Dolphins
Hartline 6-2
Wallace 6-0
Ravens
Smith 6-0
Jones 6-2
Vikings
Jennings 5-11
Patterson 6-3
Bengals
Green 6-4
Sanu 6-2
Bills
Johnson 6-2
Woods 6-1
Lions
Megatron 6-5
Burleson 6-0
Packers
Nelson 6-1
Jones 6-3
Chiefs
Bowe 6-2
Baldwin 6-4
Jaguars
Shorts 6-0
Blackmon 6-1
Patriots
Amendola 5-11
Jenkins 6-4
Bears
Marshall 6-4
Jeffery 6-3
Jets
Edwards 6-3
Hill 6-4
Steelers
Brown 5-11
Sanders 5-11
gonna be a lot of tests for this short secondary this year..
Wow... Haden has to cover possibly 3 of the top 5 best receivers in the game this year (Green, C.Johnson, Marshall... Fitzgerald and JuJones would round out my top 5). He's got a great opportunity to show off what he's got. He's always struggled against AJ Green, so hopefully we can get him some help in those Bengals game, and hopefully the pass rush helps. That's really going to be the difference maker, whether or not we can get consistent pressure on opposing QBs. The secondary just has to prevent the big play, and I think they'll be fine, despite any height concerns. It's all about disrupting routes and being in the right position. If these guys can press receivers and stay in good position long enough for the pass rush to get there, we will be good. Redzone is where height comes into play, that's where guys like Gipson and Bademosi can be used to man-up against a bigger WR. It's all about scheme, and I think Horton will prove he knows what he's doing with these guys.
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Gordon practiced today so it must be really minor. He also apologized for his "attitude" early in camp and Little had a talk with him. That's right: Little, a mentor already. Gordon sounds pretty flaky.
I love watching Weeds throw a football, which is what's so galling about him sometimes. His pocket presence seems horrible. He gets rattled. I, too, hope he's just getting comfortable in the offense. You know... the one custom built for him.
Good on Little... IMO it was Little's turn to motivate. Gordon seemed to motivate Little last year... by example if not by word. Once Gordon started to emerge as the dependable WR by mid-season, Little's drops grew less frequent.
Wheezy throws a pretty ball, but until he improves his reads and quickens his release, he will only be average. All last year he looked more like a pitcher complete with his little mini-wind-up. Hopefully the staff can beat the baseball out of him this camp. A slow release and staring down WR's is a bad, bad combo.
Good on Little... IMO it was Little's turn to motivate. Gordon seemed to motivate Little last year... by example if not by word. Once Gordon started to emerge as the dependable WR by mid-season, Little's drops grew less frequent.
Wheezy throws a pretty ball, but until he improves his reads and quickens his release, he will only be average. All last year he looked more like a pitcher complete with his little mini-wind-up. Hopefully the staff can beat the baseball out of him this camp. A slow release and staring down WR's is a bad, bad combo.
Someone posted an article on here on how Chud and Norv are trying to get him away from patting the ball before he throws it. I would think that would help on his release. The guy with the quickest release ever was probably Marino. No patting the ball for him. It was just up at his ear level and whooosh, it was gone. Nice to think that BW3 could come close to that.
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I do not think, overall that our DBs are really any shorter than most any other team in the league. Do you have info that says otherwise? Seattle is known for tall DBs, but they are the exception.
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I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
But how many 6 ft plus receivers played in the 80s??
Dolphins
Hartline 6-2
Wallace 6-0
Ravens
Smith 6-0
Jones 6-2
Vikings
Jennings 5-11
Patterson 6-3
Bengals
Green 6-4
Sanu 6-2
Bills
Johnson 6-2
Woods 6-1
Lions
Megatron 6-5
Burleson 6-0
Packers
Nelson 6-1
Jones 6-3
Chiefs
Bowe 6-2
Baldwin 6-4
Jaguars
Shorts 6-0
Blackmon 6-1
Patriots
Amendola 5-11
Jenkins 6-4
Bears
Marshall 6-4
Jeffery 6-3
Jets
Edwards 6-3
Hill 6-4
Steelers
Brown 5-11
Sanders 5-11
gonna be a lot of tests for this short secondary this year..
But how many 6 ft plus receivers played in the 80s??
Tons!
Among the NFL's top 40 recievers, these ones played in the 80's:
Chris Carter 6'3
Tim Brown 6'0
Andre Reed 6'2
Art Monk 6'3
Irving Fryar 6'0
Steve Largent 5'11
Henry Ellard 5'11
James Loften 6'3
Charlie joiner 5'11
Michael irvin 6'2
Andre Rison 6'1
In our division: Stallworth 6'2, Collinsworth 6'5, Tim Smith (Oilers) 6'2
Other than the Smurfs (Washington), the Marx Brothers (Miami) and those little run-n-shoot guys on the Oilers, I think receivers were just as big, or bigger in the 80's.
Z
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I was asking "The Experts" about Weeden and they said he has been wildly inconsistent, great one play and horrible the next. If it continues for another 7-10 days, concern will set in and it might well become a competition. Which means Bridgewater, Mallett, or Boyd next year... or Lombardi earns the genius hat for saying Brian Hoyer will be a quality NFL starter.
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Trent is a top 5 HB?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I was asking "The Experts" about Weeden and they said he has been wildly inconsistent, great one play and horrible the next. If it continues for another 7-10 days, concern will set in and it might well become a competition. Which means Bridgewater, Mallett, or Boyd next year... or Lombardi earns the genius hat for saying Brian Hoyer will be a quality NFL starter.
I was asking "The Experts" about Weeden and they said he has been wildly inconsistent, great one play and horrible the next. If it continues for another 7-10 days, concern will set in and it might well become a competition. Which means Bridgewater, Mallett, or Boyd next year... or Lombardi earns the genius hat for saying Brian Hoyer will be a quality NFL starter.
I don't know... I'm okay with a 2nd year QB looking "inconsistent" in a new offensive system one week into training camp... He should improve. I'd imagine Hoyer hasn't looked much better or he might have gotten a couple 1st team reps, but so far Weeden has gotten all of them...
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I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
Are you going too? We usually go up with the family every year and it's like a vacation to us. We are actually getting ready to head up there in a few hours. We're going to ride up tonight. What would be better to do with the kids, The Great Lakes Science Center or The Cleveland Zoo?.. Or is there a better option that you know of. We went to the Cleveland Aquarium last year before Family Night.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Trent is a top 5 HB?
Let's do some math... there was a 5 week stretch when TRich got 20+ carries and looked fairly healthy, week 8 - week 12, against nos. 4, 5, and 8 ranked YPA rush defenses...
In those 5 games, he gained 479 yds, 95.8 yds/gm, 3.8 YPA, 3 TDs on the ground, and 142 yds, 28.4 yds/gm, 7.1 YPC, 0 TDs through the air.
Average those out over a healthy 16 game season... 1,533 rushing yards, 454 receiving yards, 10 rushing TDs...
I'd say, if healthy, there is no doubt he is a top 5 RB in 2013...
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Trent is a top 5 HB?
Top 3 IMO. Seriously Bro, Go ahead and name me 5 other runningbacks that you would rather have as the Starting Runningback or Face of the Franchise than Trent Richardson. The dude is a stud and in the prime of his career and will most likely only get better for the next 6 or 7 years or so...
Go ahead and try and sell me 5 other guys I'd rather have... Thinking about it I can only think of 1 other runningback that I'd really even consider... That's A.D. Peterson and he's been around awhile so he just oozes purple and gold.. Top 5 back in the NFL? You bet.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Look, I like Trent. I hope he is a beast for years to come. But I'm going to take just one injury prone season and extrapolate it into "Top 5" or Top 3" back.
I'm also talking about the best right now. No bonus points for the young HBs with more time left in their careers.
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
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I think the only concern I have on defense is the height of the cb's. Then, I remember Minnifield, who did a nice job.
Well, when he wasn't getting penalties....those few? games never left me....
This team is going to shock the heck out of their opponents. I can see it.
I think Weeden will roll. But if he chokes and doesn't get it - he had every chance in the book of football life
with all the talent around him, real, clever coaches, and a system that helps them succeed.
Family Day at Browns practice will be great.
Are you going too? We usually go up with the family every year and it's like a vacation to us. We are actually getting ready to head up there in a few hours. We're going to ride up tonight. What would be better to do with the kids, The Great Lakes Science Center or The Cleveland Zoo?.. Or is there a better option that you know of. We went to the Cleveland Aquarium last year before Family Night.
Are you going too? We usually go up with the family every year and it's like a vacation to us. We are actually getting ready to head up there in a few hours. We're going to ride up tonight. What would be better to do with the kids, The Great Lakes Science Center or The Cleveland Zoo?.. Or is there a better option that you know of. We went to the Cleveland Aquarium last year before Family Night.
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kids will love the MEGLALODON
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nice recap, shep
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
You know, with many good QBs, they do not look good when they first get to the league. Peyton, Elway, Brees etc. Some look great right away, but that is an exception to the rule. For most, at some point a year, year and a half, 2 years the light bulb comes on and they really take off. I hope that is what happens with Weeden.
Of course, for some that light bulb always stays off...see Brady Quinn. And for others, the light bulb comes on, but burns out very soon. See Derek Anderson.
Let's hope it comes on for BW3 and stays on a good long while.
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89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
back in the day McD's was the gourmet blend
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