Training Camp News, August 1 (It's August!)
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I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
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Funny item of the day (other than Holmgren being at TC today):
Some (unknown/unconfessed) Browns beat reporter today said that we should cut Phil Taylor because he's not very good . . .
Enjoy your Weekend all, maybe we'll get some more good bits from TC this Weekend.
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
89 cents for a senior coffee at McDonald's. Better than Starbucks. I have one sitting right in front of me
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
You know, with many good QBs, they do not look good when they first get to the league. Peyton, Elway, Brees etc. Some look great right away, but that is an exception to the rule. For most, at some point a year, year and a half, 2 years the light bulb comes on and they really take off. I hope that is what happens with Weeden.
Of course, for some that light bulb always stays off...see Brady Quinn. And for others, the light bulb comes on, but burns out very soon. See Derek Anderson.
Let's hope it comes on for BW3 and stays on a good long while.
LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
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I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
I think 7-9, 8-8 are the lowest he can go this year. 6-10 or lower and hes bye bye.
Who knows, Weeden could end up blazing and the D could end up sucking and give games away(doubtful, just saying anything can happen)
Its the Browns, 2008 was a year of absurd hope. 2011 also was a year of absurd hope with Hillis and McCoy. I can also say I've definetly gotten the vibe this is an absurdly hopeful year as well.
BUT the team's depth is insanely promising, better than any year since the franchise has returned. Weeden has the tools, what he doesn't have this year is excuses. He needs to show he can win consistently, especially in the division, or hes gone.
this team is absolutely capable of pulling of a 7-9,8-8 year.
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Not to mention, Weeden has an exceptional defensive unit to back him up when he throws picks....god forbid but that still will happen. Especially throwing the ball downfield as often as we will
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LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
Zombo said:
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
I've heard Mickey D's have stepped up their Coffee game a few years back, just haven't tried it for probably close to ten years myself (early early home brew).
Closing in on the Senior D myself quicker than I like, but not quite there yet myself
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I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
I think 7-9, 8-8 are the lowest he can go this year. 6-10 or lower and hes bye bye.
Who knows, Weeden could end up blazing and the D could end up sucking and give games away(doubtful, just saying anything can happen)
Its the Browns, 2008 was a year of absurd hope. 2011 also was a year of absurd hope with Hillis and McCoy. I can also say I've definetly gotten the vibe this is an absurdly hopeful year as well.
BUT the team's depth is insanely promising, better than any year since the franchise has returned. Weeden has the tools, what he doesn't have this year is excuses. He needs to show he can win consistently, especially in the division, or hes gone.
this team is absolutely capable of pulling of a 7-9,8-8 year.
I think 7-9, 8-8 are the lowest he can go this year. 6-10 or lower and hes bye bye.
Who knows, Weeden could end up blazing and the D could end up sucking and give games away(doubtful, just saying anything can happen)
Its the Browns, 2008 was a year of absurd hope. 2011 also was a year of absurd hope with Hillis and McCoy. I can also say I've definetly gotten the vibe this is an absurdly hopeful year as well.
BUT the team's depth is insanely promising, better than any year since the franchise has returned. Weeden has the tools, what he doesn't have this year is excuses. He needs to show he can win consistently, especially in the division, or hes gone.
this team is absolutely capable of pulling of a 7-9,8-8 year.
While I think as a combo we likely have the top O & D lines, I'm just not sure if our QB is going to take advantage of it.
The Shurmur gameplan experience has just really cast a pall over my view of Weeden's capabilities.
I saw improvement in Littles abilities the last half of the season, and it seems he's really stepped up his work ethic so far.
Then you have Gordon that has absolute HOF star abilities goofing off . . . I mean really, some of the catches he made last year he made just look like simple pass and catch pratice throws.
The kid has the absolute ability to be one of the best the League has seen in years, but I'm not sure he gets it, or is going to get it.
Bess is going to be a great acquistion, he's been catchin nearly everything thrown at him for the past several years.
Run D is a possible concern, as I mentioned on another thread.
Secondary is a weakness, but it may not be as bad as I was fearing it could be . . . Owens seems to be impressing in Camp so far, and Gipson is doing well at S if he can stay healthy.
I think our Coaching is multiple levels above what is has been the last few years, the Team has enormous potential, but I'm not sure if it's going to click yet or not.
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Top 3 IMO. Seriously Bro, Go ahead and name me 5 other runningbacks that you would rather have as the Starting Runningback or Face of the Franchise than Trent Richardson. The dude is a stud and in the prime of his career and will most likely only get better for the next 6 or 7 years or so...
Go ahead and try and sell me 5 other guys I'd rather have... Thinking about it I can only think of 1 other runningback that I'd really even consider... That's A.D. Peterson and he's been around awhile so he just oozes purple and gold.. Top 5 back in the NFL? You bet.
Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice, Doug Martin, Frank Gore
At this point and time, all five of those are better than T.Rich.
That said, I wouldn't want any other RB beside T.Rich (or AP or Gore).
But as it stands at this point and time, all are better backs than T.Rich.
Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice, Doug Martin, Frank Gore
At this point and time, all five of those are better than T.Rich.
That said, I wouldn't want any other RB beside T.Rich (or AP or Gore).
But as it stands at this point and time, all are better backs than T.Rich.
Arian Foster, Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson say hello!!! Alfred Morris isnt to shabby either..
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By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
By now we've all heard King didn't think much of Weeden's chances (mostly because he simply isn't accurate enough)... but Pat Kirwan was VERY bullish on the team and Weeden:
I think Mingo is gonna be a beast. In fact, I'd say our offensive line and defensive front 7, judged by both quality and depth, can and should be among the league's very best. Based on his draft position and talent, Trent Richardson should be among the league's best few running backs... which along with about $1.35 gets you a Venti at Starbucks these days. Rams have had Steven Jackson playing at a Pro Bowl level for a very long time, right?
Assuming health (physical and mental), Weeden should have way more than enough quality targets in Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, T-Rich, Dion Lewis, Cameron, and hopefully Nelson. He should have a top five line and a top five RB. He has an offense tailored to his comfort. He literally has ZERO excuses.
It's a one-year audition, maybe less.
I tend to follow Vic Carucci's comments on Weeden. As we all know, Carucci is a homer, but if one makes allowances for that, one can get an idea of how things are going. In general, Carucci tends to be quiet on days that Weeden struggles and reports the improvement when he has rebounded. There has been the one notable exception when, after the fourth practice, Carucci mentions that Weeden has been uneven and has gotten off to a slow start through most of the practices.
Maybe it depends on which day a reporter decides to visit and watch practice. In any case, it may be encouraging that Carucci has reported improvement the last couple of days in a row.
First Practice, Thursday, July 25
>>Weeden rebounded from a slow start. After being off the mark on some early throws, Weeden began looking fairly sharp and consistently connected with his receivers. He had some nice deep passes and also showed good touch on shorter ones. As is the case in Norv Turnerâs scheme, Weeden had a wide variety of targets and used them all â from receivers Josh Gordon and Greg Little and Travis Benjamin on the outside, to slot receiver Davone Bess and tight end Jordan Cameron in the middle, to running back Trent Richardson out of the backfield. And the routes were usually fairly deep. Very little dink-and-dunk stuff.
Third Practice, Saturday, July 27
>>Brandon Weeden rebounds. After a somewhat rough practice on Friday, Weeden rallied with a solid showing on Saturday. His throws were generally more accurate and he displayed better timing with his receivers. Weeden also spent some extra time after practice throwing passes to Greg Little. And Little continued his routine of watching numerous passes from the JUGGS machine well after the workout. If this is any reflection of the teamâs overall mindset toward striving for optimum performance, there is reason to be encouraged that the striving-for-excellence-in-everything-we-do culture being instilled from the very top of the organization is catching on.
Fourth Practice, Sunday, July 28
>>Weeden uneven. The quarterback has gotten off to slow starts through most of the practices, including Sundayâs. But he did manage to rebound again. Weeden does a good job of connecting on longer throws, but sometimes misses the mark on shorter ones. He does have the greatest velocity and tightest spiral of the Brownsâ three quarterbacks, and his release on deeper routes takes minimal effort. Itâs fair to say that some of Weedenâs inconsistency is due to dealing with the complexities and variables of the Brownsâ defense, so there is reason to think he can improve with time.
Seventh Practice, Thursday August 1
>>Brandon Weedenâs improvement. His performance showed a significant jump from Wednesday, when he mostly struggled through drills. Although Weeden got off to a somewhat slow start on Thursday, he wound up looking sharp on many of his throws the rest of the way. His biggest challenge is consistently making quick and accurate decisions of where to go with the ball. When Weeden is able to promptly determine the spot to where he is going to make a throw, he usually makes the completion. Itâs when he hesitates before releasing the ball that Weeden tends to run into trouble.
Eighth Practice, Friday, August 2
>>Itâs in the eyes. Brandon Weeden had another solid day of practice on Friday. He made some nice throws to Greg Little and even showed some decent mobility on designed runs. For the most part, it looks as if he is doing a better job of scanning the secondary (or, as scouts like to say, âmoving his eyesâ) for second and third options rather than being so quick to lock onto a single target.
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LOL
I'm glad someone else agrees that Starbucks is some nasty Coffee.
Bad thing is, I'm currently living in the Seattle area so I'm pretty much stuck with it (work Coffee supplier).
Give me some good ole Dunkin' Donuts Coffee, probably some of the best around.
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
Zombo said:
While I don't buy anything else at McDonalds and I don't qualify for the senior discount ... yet ... I drive through McDonalds every day for a large coffee ... $1.06 and as good as Starbucks or Dunkin IMO.
Zombo
I've got a year to go before I get what they call in Ohio the 'Golden Buckeye Card', which gives you discounts at various places. Then I buy my white velcro sneakers, hat and golf shirt, and sit in McDonalds and read my old fashioned newspaper every morning.
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i've neen getting the junk mail from AARP since '95. insurance, creditors and realtors prey on us daily for that 'sunshine on your shoulder' retirement plan every god-forsaken day i have left on this earth. don't even drink coffee but this kid is one of my biggest clients (sans retirement) i have:
we do his shirts and marketing. i have a cup of iced chai tea and it brings back the feelings of doing blow off the back of some black hooker's ass.
yummy.
yeah. 50 is the new 30 and coffee is the new crack.
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Funny item of the day (other than Holmgren being at TC today):
Some (unknown/unconfessed) Browns beat reporter today said that we should cut Phil Taylor because he's not very good . . .
Enjoy your Weekend all, maybe we'll get some more good bits from TC this Weekend.
Funny item of the day (other than Holmgren being at TC today):
Some (unknown/unconfessed) Browns beat reporter today said that we should cut Phil Taylor because he's not very good . . .
Enjoy your Weekend all, maybe we'll get some more good bits from TC this Weekend.
Who ever said that is an idiot
Ruining threads since 1897. -
Small minor injury that both T-Rich and Chud say wouldn't keep him out of a game if during the season.
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I haven't seen a topic on this yet, didn't want to start a new one, and since this thread is running a bit longer than usual I've got a question for you all:
What do you think the tipping point for Weeden is this year?
By this, I mean, how many wins would it take to negate the need to draft a QB #1 next year?
I think 7-9, 8-8 are the lowest he can go this year. 6-10 or lower and hes bye bye.
Who knows, Weeden could end up blazing and the D could end up sucking and give games away(doubtful, just saying anything can happen)
Its the Browns, 2008 was a year of absurd hope. 2011 also was a year of absurd hope with Hillis and McCoy. I can also say I've definetly gotten the vibe this is an absurdly hopeful year as well.
BUT the team's depth is insanely promising, better than any year since the franchise has returned. Weeden has the tools, what he doesn't have this year is excuses. He needs to show he can win consistently, especially in the division, or hes gone.
this team is absolutely capable of pulling of a 7-9,8-8 year.
I think 7-9, 8-8 are the lowest he can go this year. 6-10 or lower and hes bye bye.
Who knows, Weeden could end up blazing and the D could end up sucking and give games away(doubtful, just saying anything can happen)
Its the Browns, 2008 was a year of absurd hope. 2011 also was a year of absurd hope with Hillis and McCoy. I can also say I've definetly gotten the vibe this is an absurdly hopeful year as well.
BUT the team's depth is insanely promising, better than any year since the franchise has returned. Weeden has the tools, what he doesn't have this year is excuses. He needs to show he can win consistently, especially in the division, or hes gone.
this team is absolutely capable of pulling of a 7-9,8-8 year.
It also goes the other way. If the defense carries the team to a 7-9 or 8-8 record and Weeden is below average then he is gone. I think he is going to have to have somewhere around a 2:1 to 2.5:1 TD/Int ratio to keep his job.
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Funny item of the day (other than Holmgren being at TC today):
Some (unknown/unconfessed) Browns beat reporter today said that we should cut Phil Taylor because he's not very good . . .
Enjoy your Weekend all, maybe we'll get some more good bits from TC this Weekend.
Who ever said that is an idiot
Man... Wheezy's new nickname is gonna be "slow-start"...
Who ever said that is an idiot
Ya think? lol...
But I was concerned about Phil taking to the NT role... emphasis on "was" after reading reading this Mary Kay tidbit:
"Jousting linemen: Taylor said heâs enjoyed his move to nose tackle this season in the Browns reconfigured 3-4 defensive front. Center Alex Mack might not agree."
Zombo said:
But Trent Richardson was a can't miss talent available during a year where we had a top pick and nothing at RB.
The correct thing to do was to go all in for RG3 last year. You weren't around here then, but trust me, I wanted him badly. I was obnoxious about it. I was a "RG3 Fag" if you will ...
I know, I know ... you'd rather have Tannehill and Martin ... but I'm not that impressed with Tannehill, we'll see.
More or less in order...
First, setting aside the obvious elevated injury risk associated with labelling any RB "can't miss", TR was hardly a league consensus can't miss RB.
Second, the RG-knee debate is still open... but I will grant you that the "obnoxious" is not.
Third, any attempted Wheeden/ Richardson vs. Tannehill/ Martin argument is a herring red enough to make calfox proud. Have to throw at least two second round picks onto the Tannehill/ Martin side of that equation.
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Third, any attempted Wheeden/ Richardson vs. Tannehill/ Martin argument is a herring red enough to make calfox proud. Tour
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(GGG)anyways... anybody goin to the family night tonight? Canton Mike and I are going to be there....
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Here's the blurb on cutting Phil Taylor :
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Don't get me started on Tanny/Martin combo. Still ticks me off. That was my prescribed draft, over and over... like Aaron Rodgers and Vincent Jackson. I think Tannehill seems like he was built in a lab to play QB in 2013: Extremely smart, great athlete, big arm, terrific work ethic. And 23. I'm trying so hard to let it go, but drafting a tailback at #3???
Cliff, thanks for the great "trending" on Weeden. Makes me feel a lot better. I LOVE going to games and seeing the ball going downfield. It's a blast. I loved getting a quarterback with an arm (I was in favor of Tannehill but also liked the Weeden idea). I think he's getting A+ coaching and now he's in the ideal offense. It's his golden opportunity.
As far as age, I really don't care. In Weeden's 7th season starting with this one (8th overall), he'll turn 36 in October. Which Brady just turned today... and nobody's talking about Brady retiring anytime soon. Barring a big injury, you expect a really good quarterback to keep starting until he's edging close to 40 (Favre, Brady, Manning, etc.).
So if Weeden's last year has a starter is the one he turns 38, we have 9 years of him including this one. But it'll be someone else unless we win about 7 games or more and he posts a PR no lower than the high 80s.
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Don't get me started on Tanny/Martin combo. Still ticks me off. That was my prescribed draft, over and over... like Aaron Rodgers and Vincent Jackson. I think Tannehill seems like he was built in a lab to play QB in 2013: Extremely smart, great athlete, big arm, terrific work ethic. And 23. I'm trying so hard to let it go, but drafting a tailback at #3???
Cliff, thanks for the great "trending" on Weeden. Makes me feel a lot better. I LOVE going to games and seeing the ball going downfield. It's a blast. I loved getting a quarterback with an arm (I was in favor of Tannehill but also liked the Weeden idea). I think he's getting A+ coaching and now he's in the ideal offense. It's his golden opportunity.
As far as age, I really don't care. In Weeden's 7th season starting with this one (8th overall), he'll turn 36 in October. Which Brady just turned today... and nobody's talking about Brady retiring anytime soon. Barring a big injury, you expect a really good quarterback to keep starting until he's edging close to 40 (Favre, Brady, Manning, etc.).
So if Weeden's last year has a starter is the one he turns 38, we have 9 years of him including this one. But it'll be someone else unless we win about 7 games or more and he posts a PR no lower than the high 80s.
Don't get me started on Tanny/Martin combo. Still ticks me off. That was my prescribed draft, over and over... like Aaron Rodgers and Vincent Jackson. I think Tannehill seems like he was built in a lab to play QB in 2013: Extremely smart, great athlete, big arm, terrific work ethic. And 23. I'm trying so hard to let it go, but drafting a tailback at #3???
Cliff, thanks for the great "trending" on Weeden. Makes me feel a lot better. I LOVE going to games and seeing the ball going downfield. It's a blast. I loved getting a quarterback with an arm (I was in favor of Tannehill but also liked the Weeden idea). I think he's getting A+ coaching and now he's in the ideal offense. It's his golden opportunity.
As far as age, I really don't care. In Weeden's 7th season starting with this one (8th overall), he'll turn 36 in October. Which Brady just turned today... and nobody's talking about Brady retiring anytime soon. Barring a big injury, you expect a really good quarterback to keep starting until he's edging close to 40 (Favre, Brady, Manning, etc.).
So if Weeden's last year has a starter is the one he turns 38, we have 9 years of him including this one. But it'll be someone else unless we win about 7 games or more and he posts a PR no lower than the high 80s.
Funny you should bring this up.
Not that I'm sold on Weeden (not sure he has the mental skills), but in a similar vein:
In a cover story for the September issue of Menâs Health magazine, Brady said he would entertain the notion of playing football into his 50s. âI would love it,ââ he told Menâs Health. âIf I think I can do it, then I probably will.ââ
Crazy stuff, but something to think about.
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Here's the blurb on cutting Phil Taylor :
Here's the blurb on cutting Phil Taylor :
Whoever said that should be cut from their reporting job.
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