Training Camp News, August 1 (It's August!)
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Browns RG Shawn Lauvao carted off field with ankle injury
Aug 05, 2013 -- 7:36pm
By Tony Grossi | ESPNCleveland.com
Reid/Cleveland Browns
Observations, notes, quotes and some facts on Day 10 of Browns training camp …
* At the tail end of practice, starting right guard was carted off the field after turning an ankle in a one-on-one blocking drill against nose tackle Phil Taylor.
Coach Rob Chudzinski said he won’t know the extent of the injury until Tuesday. Teammate Jason Pinkston said he didn’t think it was severe and the Browns were just being cautious.
If Lauvao is held out of Thursday’s exhibition opener against St. Louis, Pinkston would be the likely replacement on the first team. He has been alternating at left and right guard all camp.
Pinkston lost his starting left guard spot last when he developed a blood clot that traveled from his leg to a lung and missed the final 10 games.
“I’m still getting there (to regaining his form),” Pinkston said. “I’ve been out of the game for like 6-7 months. It’s still gonna take some time to get used to moving my feet again, moving my hips.
Whether or not he starts in Lauvao’s place against the Rams, it will be a big night for Pinkston. He has not played in a game in FirstEnergy Stadium since Oct. 14.
* As expected, Trent Richardson was back working with the team after missing two practices because of a kick to the right shin he originally injured in May OTAs. Richardson did participate in some team drills, but was given a lighter work load than usual.
Afterwards, Chudzinski would not say if Richardson would play on Thursday. ESPN Cleveland reported Saturday that Richardson has been told he would be held out, per the precautionary plan the Browns have mapped out for him.
“We’re going to be smart,” the coach said. “We have a plan for him, in a general sense. We want him to work to get better and be out here on a daily basis.”
* The biggest revelation of Chudzinski’s first official depth chart was that Chris Ogbonnaya was listed as the first-team fullback ahead of incumbent Owen Marecic. Ogbonnaya, who said his weight fluctuates between 225 and 235 pounds, was used as the lead blocker in goal-line drills on Monday.
“I think it’s fun,” Ogbonnaya said. “It’s a great challenge and I’m trying to accept that.”
With the team’s cautious approach to Richardson and Montario Hardesty still out with a hamstring tendon injury, Ogbonnaya’s versatility is being appreciated by the coaching staff. Dion Lewis and Brandon Jackson shared the reps at tailback on Monday, but Ogbonnaya lined up in several spots required by the fullback.
Chudzinski said, “He’s a guy that can play multiple positions. Sometimes it’s hard to put those guys in two different spots. The thing about depth charts, they don’t always tell the story of roles. There’s a lot of roles on teams that you need that aren’t necessarily covered on a depth chart. A guy that appears sometimes as a third teamer on a depth chart is the first teamer in some sort of role in some situation for a game. Certainly, Oby is a very valuable part of what we’re doing.”
* In one-on-one passing drills, cornerbacks Joe Haden and Chris Owensgot the better of Josh Gordon and Greg Little.
* The Browns did a lot of work on goal line plays. In 14 plays originating inside the 10-yard line, the offense reached the end zone nine times – three through the air, including a reception by Marecic. On the last play, reserve safety Josh Aubrey made the defensive play of the drill, shooting around right end and tackling running back Miguel Maysonet short of the goal line.
* At the end of two-minute drills, the kickers each made field goals of 52 yards.
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Nobody listens to polka, you fat sack of worthless shit.
Go back to slamming Rich's puddhole
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I am waiting for the "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of eldeberries" line. Who will be first?
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Ghoolie's list was mostly right... until he got to "no deep threat." Josh Gordon averaged like 17 yards a catch because that's exactly what he is and Travis Benjamin runs like a 3.2 40!! We have two fantastic deep threats.
And Little, while kind of a "bully" by WR standards, can definitely run. When you weigh 220 but jump 41", you can explode. He's a 4.5s guy technically, but a guy who does 27 reps can carry his pads.
Man, I wish David Nelson could get right. We'd have some awesome red zone packages. They all deal with fades to a bunch of big WRs who can leap... then throw the slant to Bess (!).
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Gordon practiced today so it must be really minor. He also apologized for his "attitude" early in camp and Little had a talk with him. That's right: Little, a mentor already. Gordon sounds pretty flaky.
I love watching Weeds throw a football, which is what's so galling about him sometimes. His pocket presence seems horrible. He gets rattled. I, too, hope he's just getting comfortable in the offense. You know... the one custom built for him.
Good on Little... IMO it was Little's turn to motivate. Gordon seemed to motivate Little last year... by example if not by word. Once Gordon started to emerge as the dependable WR by mid-season, Little's drops grew less frequent.
Wheezy throws a pretty ball, but until he improves his reads and quickens his release, he will only be average. All last year he looked more like a pitcher complete with his little mini-wind-up. Hopefully the staff can beat the baseball out of him this camp. A slow release and staring down WR's is a bad, bad combo.
Wheezy throws a pretty ball, but until he improves his reads and quickens his release, he will only be average. All last year he looked more like a pitcher complete with his little mini-wind-up. Hopefully the staff can beat the baseball out of him this camp. A slow release and staring down WR's is a bad, bad combo.
Weeds is known to often throw without the laces, choosing speed over accuracy. possible this is why he throws innacurate balls at times.
he claims to have worked on eliminating padding the ball before windup--we shall see. but his release, arm mechanics, and speed he gets uncorked are some of his strengths i feel, and better footwork and decision-making quality and quickness can fix a lot of last year's problems.
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I'm thinking shitty musician/ internet troll tops the list. If you look at college degrees, offensive lineman are some of the smartest guys in football.
Where to start dissecting this nonsense? Shitty musician? Ah, credentials say otherwise, but really, thanks for playing. Maybe try again sometime? Give West Side Steve a holler, you guys likehim, he's played with me, you can get a reference form him.
Internet Troll? Not at all. While my posts indeed to piss Browns fans off, let's be honest, what really pisses people off about me is that much more often than anyone here, I am dead on. Well, perhaps #1 on the piss-off list is that I keep pounding it in way past the point of nosebleeds.This much, I agree with. I get it, it is bad enough that I am right all the time, but continually urinating on your pennant-of-annual-Brown-hope before it can ever dry out between pee-pee trips can alienate folks. I get it. I am going to not repeat this post again, although at the end of the year, you guys will again have to feast on it, since I will save it. Trust me, even not hearing it all year? LMAO, you will hear the echos as the team locks itself into last place.
But let me go on the record and tell you how I see it.
- There was nothing wrong with the Browns OL last year. Skilled players are what enable an OL to rise to the top. When defenses have to cover many possibilities, the OL hs the edge and the DL gets tired and beat up. Most SBs in the past 20 years have been won with a high % of jorneymen, has-beens and second and third string OL players.
- Our D will play too many downs because the O, just like last year will sputter and be a short dump and dink offense. Oh, don't get all worked up because early on, the Browns will have some success only because they don't have a rep for going verticle, but defenses will pass the word and this O will be as shitty as Shurmurs.
- All 32 playbooks look the same. Skill players are what wear defenses out. We have nobody to threaten deep in any meaningful capacity.
- Richardson is a good back, but not a great back, and he is the wrong fit for the Browns. Defenses will again jam the line and TR is going to get hit a lot at the line. He isn't built for that, and just like I told you
- HIllis would be shit in his second year, TR is NOT going to have a good year running. You guys will scratch your balls in confusion wondering how this could happen with such a great new O plan, a great new line, and blah blah blah........... but the reason it will happen is because the Browns scare nobody deep. We aren't going to turn screen passes into 50 yard touchdowns too often. Richardson has been hurt twice, and pounding him up the middle isn't going to allow him to play healthy for the entire season.
- Weeden takes too fucking long to get rid of the ball, so no matter what fucking plays you call, he is going to throw a lot of shit TOO EARLY. In regular season Chud may indeed call more downfield shit, and by doing so he will allow Weeden to get sacked more than ever before. You think Shurmur was a moron? You think he was devoid of knowing the team needed to get downfield? Good grief you guys can be fucking idiots.
So lets summarize okay? Then I won't have to explain why 3-12 might have been a stretch.
1)Nobody to threaten deep
2)Weeden holds the fucking ball too long, even longer than McCoy, Anderson, Frye, and Couch, He's gonna get killed.
3)The OL will get decimated. NO FIVE HOF OL can block 8-9 defensive players who know what is coming at them.
4) Richardson will be less productive this year than last, and there is no way he won't get fucked up, maybe for good! The guy the Steelers drafted will do better, TR needs a big fullback and WRs who can take pressure of the LOS.
Sorry man, but I see this the same way I saw it with Crennel, Shurmur, and now this latest Bozo. Our material is very, and I mean VERY low on the NFL totem pole. Be enthusiastic, but you cannot win games with shit. We have shit.
While my posts indeed to piss Browns fans off, let's be honest, what really pisses people off about me is that much more often than anyone here, I am dead on.
Dude your dead OFF. You have been proven time and time again WRONG. Biggest bullshitter on the board. You suck ass.
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BTW, I was perusing 2014 mocks just for fun... and couldn't find one that DIDN'T have the Browns taking a quarterback. Keep in mind that Peter King knows Lombardi very, very well... and I wouldn't take his "Weeden Isn't the Answer" proclamation as based completely on the eyeball test (!).
I've seen a lot of Tajh Boyd and Walter has us taking Manziel. Both seem to suggest the Browns working in some RO next year. Point of it all? Weeden can't just "show progress." He has to blow some minds, baby.
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Here's the blurb on cutting Phil Taylor :
Here's the blurb on cutting Phil Taylor :
haha idiot!! who do you think it was??
i'd go w that one lady--not Mary Kay.
and after that probably Mary Kay. haha!
not being sexist just how it see it. them b4 i'd accuse Grossi. he deserves a bit more cred than that...unless the statement was knowingly and rudely taken out of context.
if playing by those rules i could see quite a few more possibilities, about every Doug filled minute there's the low hanging fruit of off-air obtuse Dieken-esque statements that could be easily convoluted into something treacherously unrecognizable. personally i love the guy, but lets just say someone had an axe to grind with an opportunity to generate some draw...
but if that were the case the would probably come forth. and if that's the case im going w my first choice of that lady. the one with the heavy Great Lakes accent that typically asks all of the ridiculous questions.
i could just hear her asking someone like Pat Kirwin something like that. did i mention she annoys me?
fwiw i really like that one guy. you know who I mean. that one guy. he got in frame quite a lot last year. at first i see a guy like him and i think "omg i think he's going to ask something" full attention like im staring at a train wreck. and irony at its best the dude shatters doubts instantly asking quality questions that pulls out some the most insightful and detailed answers of the interview...and often capping off with a smooth follow up. ok im rambling. but this is the shit inside Browns fans. we notice these things. and we all have our favorites. hell my sisters was Dawson. and my Moms was Cribbs. (of course they were!) they are having their worst offseason in a decade! all perspectives.
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We had a ball. I agree with all Cal said about players.
Side notes:
1) My one 7 yr old twin Granddaughter Lexi is fast. When she went through that inflatable, the guy working it laughed & commented on how fast she blew through it. At the game, she said,"Grampy, that #51 (Mingo) is FAST...He's even faster than ME!" High praise from a 7 year old girl.
2) The 3 Granddaughters all had their pics taken with Joe Thomas' Aunt ...She (sporting her orange Mohawk) & her husband are real fun people.
3) I believe my Grandkids have adopted Cal & his Bride, Pat.
4) Kids also loved the laser & fireworks show too.
BTW, most impressive?......#1 running that ball!!
Mike
4) Kids also loved the laser & fireworks show too.
BTW, most impressive?......#1 running that ball!!
Mike
i didnt attend but from all ive heard sounds like a home run for fan experience thus far. that took minimal effort to set-up, emotionally moved everyone in the crowd and anyone who even read about it, and gave that family an experience and memory they will never forget. a special moment i wish i had seen in person. good job by the Browns PR. they really aren't fucking around.
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Wheezy throws a pretty ball, but until he improves his reads and quickens his release, he will only be average. All last year he looked more like a pitcher complete with his little mini-wind-up. Hopefully the staff can beat the baseball out of him this camp. A slow release and staring down WR's is a bad, bad combo.
Weeds is known to often throw without the laces, choosing speed over accuracy. possible this is why he throws innacurate balls at times.
he claims to have worked on eliminating padding the ball before windup--we shall see. but his release, arm mechanics, and speed he gets uncorked are some of his strengths i feel, and better footwork and decision-making quality and quickness can fix a lot of last year's problems.
Weeds is known to often throw without the laces, choosing speed over accuracy. possible this is why he throws innacurate balls at times.
he claims to have worked on eliminating padding the ball before windup--we shall see. but his release, arm mechanics, and speed he gets uncorked are some of his strengths i feel, and better footwork and decision-making quality and quickness can fix a lot of last year's problems.
I think his release is just fine. I have to differ here. He doesn't have a big windup.
He has the dreaded "slow eyes" though. So they say.
We'll see Thursday nite.... but I know what I saw time after time last year... and just now at NFL.com. It's not "a big wind-up"... just a wind-up... but it's there. One week 15 throw vs WSH he's holding the ball mid-chest... obscurring all of the #3 on the front of his jersey. At first move the top half of the 3 is uncovered and the ball still blocks the bottom half of the 3. In other words at first move the ball went down...
Can't recover from a first move like that...
Here's what a quick release looks like... straight to the right shoulder from chest high and then gone...
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Weeds is known to often throw without the laces, choosing speed over accuracy. possible this is why he throws innacurate balls at times.
he claims to have worked on eliminating padding the ball before windup--we shall see. but his release, arm mechanics, and speed he gets uncorked are some of his strengths i feel, and better footwork and decision-making quality and quickness can fix a lot of last year's problems.
I think his release is just fine. I have to differ here. He doesn't have a big windup.
He has the dreaded "slow eyes" though. So they say.
We'll see Thursday nite.... but I know what I saw time after time last year... and just now at NFL.com. It's not "a big wind-up"... just a wind-up... but it's there. One week 15 throw vs WSH he's holding the ball mid-chest... obscurring all of the #3 on the front of his jersey. At first move the top half of the 3 is uncovered and the ball still blocks the bottom half of the 3. In other words at first move the ball went down...
Can't recover from a first move like that...
Here's what a quick release looks like... straight to the right shoulder from chest high and then gone...
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Weeds is known to often throw without the laces, choosing speed over accuracy. possible this is why he throws innacurate balls at times.
he claims to have worked on eliminating padding the ball before windup--we shall see. but his release, arm mechanics, and speed he gets uncorked are some of his strengths i feel, and better footwork and decision-making quality and quickness can fix a lot of last year's problems.
I think his release is just fine. I have to differ here. He doesn't have a big windup.
He has the dreaded "slow eyes" though. So they say.
We'll see Thursday nite.... but I know what I saw time after time last year... and just now at NFL.com. It's not "a big wind-up"... just a wind-up... but it's there. One week 15 throw vs WSH he's holding the ball mid-chest... obscurring all of the #3 on the front of his jersey. At first move the top half of the 3 is uncovered and the ball still blocks the bottom half of the 3. In other words at first move the ball went down...
Can't recover from a first move like that...
Here's what a quick release looks like... straight to the right shoulder from chest high and then gone...
We'll see Thursday nite.... but I know what I saw time after time last year... and just now at NFL.com. It's not "a big wind-up"... just a wind-up... but it's there. One week 15 throw vs WSH he's holding the ball mid-chest... obscurring all of the #3 on the front of his jersey. At first move the top half of the 3 is uncovered and the ball still blocks the bottom half of the 3. In other words at first move the ball went down...
Can't recover from a first move like that...
Here's what a quick release looks like... straight to the right shoulder from chest high and then gone...
Well, it has always been well known that between Namath and Marino they had the quickest release in the game....though, I do notice on a few occasions on that video that Namath also gives a little tap to the ball before he throws it.
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I am waiting for the "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of eldeberries" line. Who will be first?
I am waiting for the "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of eldeberries" line. Who will be first?
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We'll see Thursday nite.... but I know what I saw time after time last year... and just now at NFL.com. It's not "a big wind-up"... just a wind-up... but it's there. One week 15 throw vs WSH he's holding the ball mid-chest... obscurring all of the #3 on the front of his jersey. At first move the top half of the 3 is uncovered and the ball still blocks the bottom half of the 3. In other words at first move the ball went down...
Can't recover from a first move like that...
Here's what a quick release looks like... straight to the right shoulder from chest high and then gone...
Well, it has always been well known that between Namath and Marino they had the quickest release in the game....though, I do notice on a few occasions on that video that Namath also gives a little tap to the ball before he throws it.
Well, it has always been well known that between Namath and Marino they had the quickest release in the game....though, I do notice on a few occasions on that video that Namath also gives a little tap to the ball before he throws it.
Joe was the fastest I've seen. By contrast even Marino drew the ball back after raising it to his right shoulder.
And yup... a lot of great QB's tap the ball. Brady is a ball tapper. Not a desirable trait, but not a killer, if not compounded by an elongated route to the throwing position.
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Well, it has always been well known that between Namath and Marino they had the quickest release in the game....though, I do notice on a few occasions on that video that Namath also gives a little tap to the ball before he throws it.
Joe was the fastest I've seen. By contrast even Marino drew the ball back after raising it to his right shoulder.
And yup... a lot of great QB's tap the ball. Brady is a ball tapper. Not a desirable trait, but not a killer, if not compounded by an elongated route to the throwing position.
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