Preseason Opener Thursday Night!
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well then educate me (no, really don't) because all that the rest of the nation saw mayor white yellin into microphones how the city of cleveland will not be held hostage by the owner of a nfl team that wants a new stadium.
maybe i was drunk and didn't see that on espn, nbc, abc, cbs, cnn etc. etc.
that sure as hell sounded like a threat to me.
and BTW any team modell fielded would kick the living shit out what we have had since he left. yeah maybe he only won one title, but they won championship games, division games and they were a whole hell of a lot more entertaining that what i even seen in one game since 1999. so yeah FUCK MODELL for ulimately making the decision to leave but FUCK CLEVELAND for letting it get that far.
here's to banner (hopefully) changing that.
No, I am not going to educate you....unless you want to pay me for my time.
As far as Modell doing better than what we have had since? Sure. Any idjit can see that.
But, the fact still remains that during his 35 year tenure with the Browns, they played in exactly 2 championship game...going 1-1 back to back in 1964-1965. (In other words, none, zero, zip, nil, in his last 30 years here) Overall record during his tenure was pretty good: 278-233-6.
But, the point you forget is that: A. Modell VOLUNTARILY opted out of the Gateway Project, and. B. He ran and controlled the stadium...and ran it into the ground. C. The ideas that the City went along with to improve the stadium situation were ALL Modell's ideas, and D. the vote to improve the stadium occurred the day after he said he was trying to leave.
And, by the way...YES, I do believe you were drunk....because never, ever did I ever hear Mike White say that he would not have the city held hostage to an owner that owned a new stadium.
The next time I hear that stated will be the first time I will have heard that stated.
Find the video, or the newspaper quote where that occurred....because I never heard it ever...and I lived here in the Cleveland area where this situation was on the news all the time.
(no doubt White had some choice words about Modell....after his announcement...but Never before. They were having day to day negotiations all along...until Modell sneaked off to Baltimore in Lerner's plane)
No, I am not going to educate you....unless you want to pay me for my time.
As far as Modell doing better than what we have had since? Sure. Any idjit can see that.
But, the fact still remains that during his 35 year tenure with the Browns, they played in exactly 2 championship game...going 1-1 back to back in 1964-1965. (In other words, none, zero, zip, nil, in his last 30 years here) Overall record during his tenure was pretty good: 278-233-6.
But, the point you forget is that: A. Modell VOLUNTARILY opted out of the Gateway Project, and. B. He ran and controlled the stadium...and ran it into the ground. C. The ideas that the City went along with to improve the stadium situation were ALL Modell's ideas, and D. the vote to improve the stadium occurred the day after he said he was trying to leave.
And, by the way...YES, I do believe you were drunk....because never, ever did I ever hear Mike White say that he would not have the city held hostage to an owner that owned a new stadium.
The next time I hear that stated will be the first time I will have heard that stated.
Find the video, or the newspaper quote where that occurred....because I never heard it ever...and I lived here in the Cleveland area where this situation was on the news all the time.
(no doubt White had some choice words about Modell....after his announcement...but Never before. They were having day to day negotiations all along...until Modell sneaked off to Baltimore in Lerner's plane)
Technically they played in at least five championship games. The AFC championship game is a championship game. It says so right in it's title: "AFC championship game"
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Preseason protocol. Don't want the starters to get hurt now
Preseason protocol. Don't want the starters to get hurt now
Idiot protocol. If guys are that fucking frasgile to get hurt in teh 4 game preseason, they why the fuck ever play them at all? Play the hit players until they all get hurt, and then bring the first team in around game 13. That way they won't have such a high probability of getting hurt.
Dumbest fucking philosophy ever.
Teams with guys like Brady, Ben, AJ Gren, James Harrison, that is to say, proven, superstars don't need to be played, but not for injury concerns, they can it back and let the young guys get seasoning.
But our team blows Honey Boo Boo ass. Play em!
Cinci looked great. All three offnsive units and QBs were banging on all cylinders.
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Zombo said:
Well, again, it's not passing versus running .. it's passing working with running.
Franco has four titles ... what do you know, so does Terry Bradshaw!
Emmit Smith has three titles ... hey, so does Troy Aikman!
John Elway didn't get two until he had a better balanced team around him around him, Dan Marino never got one because he didn't have enough of a team around him.
IF Weeden is the answer ... he is walking into a good situation with Thomas, Richardson, Gordon and Little in place and good coaches who understand balanced offense. IMO. Let's hope ... and pray .. Weeds is the one.
If not, there is always next year.
Zombo
What a stupid argument you are all having. Thank you Zombo for saying what many of us are thinking, and rightly so. It is a TEAM game. Those lists from Gipper are dumb but they do prove (if you read between the lines) that the best TEAMS win superbowls.
What a stupid argument you are all having. Thank you Zombo for saying what many of us are thinking, and rightly so. It is a TEAM game. Those lists from Gipper are dumb but they do prove (if you read between the lines) that the best TEAMS win superbowls.
Then I guess they are not dumb are they?
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No, I am not going to educate you....unless you want to pay me for my time.
As far as Modell doing better than what we have had since? Sure. Any idjit can see that.
But, the fact still remains that during his 35 year tenure with the Browns, they played in exactly 2 championship game...going 1-1 back to back in 1964-1965. (In other words, none, zero, zip, nil, in his last 30 years here) Overall record during his tenure was pretty good: 278-233-6.
But, the point you forget is that: A. Modell VOLUNTARILY opted out of the Gateway Project, and. B. He ran and controlled the stadium...and ran it into the ground. C. The ideas that the City went along with to improve the stadium situation were ALL Modell's ideas, and D. the vote to improve the stadium occurred the day after he said he was trying to leave.
And, by the way...YES, I do believe you were drunk....because never, ever did I ever hear Mike White say that he would not have the city held hostage to an owner that owned a new stadium.
The next time I hear that stated will be the first time I will have heard that stated.
Find the video, or the newspaper quote where that occurred....because I never heard it ever...and I lived here in the Cleveland area where this situation was on the news all the time.
(no doubt White had some choice words about Modell....after his announcement...but Never before. They were having day to day negotiations all along...until Modell sneaked off to Baltimore in Lerner's plane)
Technically they played in at least five championship games. The AFC championship game is a championship game. It says so right in it's title: "AFC championship game"
Technically they played in at least five championship games. The AFC championship game is a championship game. It says so right in it's title: "AFC championship game"
Well, I guess maybe we throw the word championship game around a little too liberally. Maybe we can call the first round the Wildcard championship game and the second round the Division Championship game.
While yes, I use that terminology too, in reality, the Championship Game is the Final Game. If you have to go on to play and try to win another game before getting your ring...then you haven't played in a real Championship Game.
You would not call the winner, say of the American League Pennant the "Champion" until and unless that team goes on to win the World Series.
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Except the wild card game is the wild card game. The divisional round is the divisional round. The AFC championship game is the AFC championship game. You'd have to take that up with the NFL
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Technically they played in at least five championship games. The AFC championship game is a championship game. It says so right in it's title: "AFC championship game"
Well, I guess maybe we throw the word championship game around a little too liberally. Maybe we can call the first round the Wildcard championship game and the second round the Division Championship game.
While yes, I use that terminology too, in reality, the Championship Game is the Final Game. If you have to go on to play and try to win another game before getting your ring...then you haven't played in a real Championship Game.
You would not call the winner, say of the American League Pennant the "Champion" until and unless that team goes on to win the World Series.
Well, I guess maybe we throw the word championship game around a little too liberally. Maybe we can call the first round the Wildcard championship game and the second round the Division Championship game.
While yes, I use that terminology too, in reality, the Championship Game is the Final Game. If you have to go on to play and try to win another game before getting your ring...then you haven't played in a real Championship Game.
You would not call the winner, say of the American League Pennant the "Champion" until and unless that team goes on to win the World Series.
The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
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Well, I guess maybe we throw the word championship game around a little too liberally. Maybe we can call the first round the Wildcard championship game and the second round the Division Championship game.
While yes, I use that terminology too, in reality, the Championship Game is the Final Game. If you have to go on to play and try to win another game before getting your ring...then you haven't played in a real Championship Game.
You would not call the winner, say of the American League Pennant the "Champion" until and unless that team goes on to win the World Series.
The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
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Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
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Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
Yea, how about in the next 10 years, this city averages about 1 Finals appearance per year, that is only 3.3 for each team. Why not?
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The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
Symantics. I thought you were a lawyer or something. You're now saying THE championship game. But the other games are championship games or they wouldn't call them that would they? Is there a trophy for winning the AFC championship game? I think there is. I wouldnt know though. Despite our having played in three afc championship games since I've been around we lost all of them.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
It's well known among us oldsters- cities with at least 3 major professional sports teams, Cleveland has waited by FAR the longest to win a Championship in any sport. Of the Old School NFL teams, only the Lions and Cardinals have had a longer wait. Detroit had the Red Wings winning a slew of NHL Championships, and the Tigers and Pistons helping out. So Boo-hoo.Those poor Red Sox fans had the Celtics, Patriots, and Bruins to ease their pain. Long suffering Cubs fans had the Bulls, Bears, & Blackhawks. Even one team wonders (Portland, San Antonio) have fared better recently.
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I believe Cleveland is the only city to neither play in nor host a Superbowl.
It's a shame the Indians didn't win in the 90's, they were the cream of the crop for a good 5 years.. and when we think back on some of those teams they are legendary as if they were champs.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
Symantics. I thought you were a lawyer or something. You're now saying THE championship game. But the other games are championship games or they wouldn't call them that would they? Is there a trophy for winning the AFC championship game? I think there is. I wouldnt know though. Despite our having played in three afc championship games since I've been around we lost all of them.
Symantics. I thought you were a lawyer or something. You're now saying THE championship game. But the other games are championship games or they wouldn't call them that would they? Is there a trophy for winning the AFC championship game? I think there is. I wouldnt know though. Despite our having played in three afc championship games since I've been around we lost all of them.
Yea, I am an attorney. And I know style from substance. Yes, those are called championship games. But that is just a label.
But did you feel like the Indians had won the championship after they lost in extra innings of Game 7 of the World Series? I sure the fuck didn't.
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Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
It's well known among us oldsters- cities with at least 3 major professional sports teams, Cleveland has waited by FAR the longest to win a Championship in any sport. Of the Old School NFL teams, only the Lions and Cardinals have had a longer wait. Detroit had the Red Wings winning a slew of NHL Championships, and the Tigers and Pistons helping out. So Boo-hoo.Those poor Red Sox fans had the Celtics, Patriots, and Bruins to ease their pain. Long suffering Cubs fans had the Bulls, Bears, & Blackhawks. Even one team wonders (Portland, San Antonio) have fared better recently.
It's well known among us oldsters- cities with at least 3 major professional sports teams, Cleveland has waited by FAR the longest to win a Championship in any sport. Of the Old School NFL teams, only the Lions and Cardinals have had a longer wait. Detroit had the Red Wings winning a slew of NHL Championships, and the Tigers and Pistons helping out. So Boo-hoo.Those poor Red Sox fans had the Celtics, Patriots, and Bruins to ease their pain. Long suffering Cubs fans had the Bulls, Bears, & Blackhawks. Even one team wonders (Portland, San Antonio) have fared better recently.
Larry: add Eagles to that list: last title was in 1960. Plus Vikings, founded in 1960, Oilers/Tits last title in '61, Chargers, last title in '63 have waited longer....but I am not sure if you want to count them as "Old School NFL". I would as, along with the Lions and Cards, all of these have been around since I personally became a sports sceintient being and have not won titles in that time. (I do remember Browns '64, and Chargers '63...but not Eagles '60 title or Oilers AFL titles)
You are right about the 3-team town though. As I can gather it, the next town that has waited "the longest" since Cleveland that currently has a least 3 teams in the 4 major sports is Minneapolis/St. Paul. And they have only waited since 1991. (they would also be the longest wait for a 4 team town...as they have hockey too.).
I am not counting Seattle, as they have been reduced to 2 teams. ...1979 when the Sonics won was that town's last title.
Two town team with longest wait is San Diego...longer than Cleveland: 1963 when Charger won.
One team town: Vancouver: won a Stanley Cup in 1915, waiting ever since. That was pre-NHL. They had a 3 games to 2 lead in the NHL finals and blew it just a couple of years ago. (Ottawa right behind with last title in NHL in 1927).
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I believe Cleveland is the only city to neither play in nor host a Superbowl.
It's a shame the Indians didn't win in the 90's, they were the cream of the crop for a good 5 years.. and when we think back on some of those teams they are legendary as if they were champs.
I believe Cleveland is the only city to neither play in nor host a Superbowl.
It's a shame the Indians didn't win in the 90's, they were the cream of the crop for a good 5 years.. and when we think back on some of those teams they are legendary as if they were champs.
I personally don't care about the "hosting a Superbowl". It has never been a desire of mine to have Cleveland host a Super Bowl....but yea, lets win about 3-4 of them here sometime soon. They can be held in New Orleans, or Phoenix or wherever.
And yes, 2 outs away from a WS win.....pisses one off everytime you think about it.
(The only team that had worse luck were the Rangers a couple of years ago, being 1 strike away from winning it....only to blow it.)
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copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)-
AAFC Championships (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 -
NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
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AAFC Championships (4)
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copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)-
AAFC Championships (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 -
NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)- AAFC Championships (4)
- NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
Yea, my point.....you can call just winning your division a "championship'. There are only 4 teams in each division. You can have 8 champions per year? Nyet. One champion.
That being said....lets add a pile of those "Divsion Championships" to the Browns resume.
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AAFC Championships (4)
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Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
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Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
Utterly disagree with Forbes- they can cram that list where the sun don't shine. Braves have won a couple World Series in the last 20 years, The Broncos a couple SBs. Sonics? How about the Browns on hiatus for a few years, and the #1 current player in the NBA (LeBum) giving Cleveland the finger on National TV? You'd probably have to be around 60 to remember the last Browns Championship, or (like my Mom) 80+ to remember Bob Feller & the Tribe winning the World Series.
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