Preseason Opener Thursday Night!
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Well, I guess maybe we throw the word championship game around a little too liberally. Maybe we can call the first round the Wildcard championship game and the second round the Division Championship game.
While yes, I use that terminology too, in reality, the Championship Game is the Final Game. If you have to go on to play and try to win another game before getting your ring...then you haven't played in a real Championship Game.
You would not call the winner, say of the American League Pennant the "Champion" until and unless that team goes on to win the World Series.
The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
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Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
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Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
Yea, how about in the next 10 years, this city averages about 1 Finals appearance per year, that is only 3.3 for each team. Why not?
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The Indians were the American League champions in 95 and 97. Says so right on the pennant.
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
Symantics. I thought you were a lawyer or something. You're now saying THE championship game. But the other games are championship games or they wouldn't call them that would they? Is there a trophy for winning the AFC championship game? I think there is. I wouldnt know though. Despite our having played in three afc championship games since I've been around we lost all of them.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
It's well known among us oldsters- cities with at least 3 major professional sports teams, Cleveland has waited by FAR the longest to win a Championship in any sport. Of the Old School NFL teams, only the Lions and Cardinals have had a longer wait. Detroit had the Red Wings winning a slew of NHL Championships, and the Tigers and Pistons helping out. So Boo-hoo.Those poor Red Sox fans had the Celtics, Patriots, and Bruins to ease their pain. Long suffering Cubs fans had the Bulls, Bears, & Blackhawks. Even one team wonders (Portland, San Antonio) have fared better recently.
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I believe Cleveland is the only city to neither play in nor host a Superbowl.
It's a shame the Indians didn't win in the 90's, they were the cream of the crop for a good 5 years.. and when we think back on some of those teams they are legendary as if they were champs.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Yea, but, do you think the Indians were THE Champions in 1995 an 97?
Let's face it, Cleveland teams have competed in THE Championship Game....or Championship Series only 5 times since 1960 (long before most of you were probably born), which is about the time of my consciousness about sports began:
1964 Browns win NFL Championship game over Colts
1965 Browns lose NFL Championship game vs. Packers
1995 Indians lose World Series to Braves
1997 Indian lose World Series to Marlins
2007 Cavs lose NBA Finals to Spurs
Compare that to that pisspot town to the east in the same period:
1960 Won WS
1968 Won ABA
1971 Won WS
1974 Won SB
1974 Won SB
1978 Won SB
1979 Won WS
1979 Won SB
1991 Won NHL
1992 Won NHL
1995 Lost SB
2005 Won SB
2008 Lost NHL
2008 Won SB
2009 Won NHL
2010 Lost SB
16 appearances compared to our 5. Like one of them said, it is the town of good fortune, i.e. dumbass luck.
Even those yippers down in SW Ohio have had more "Championship appearances" than Cleveland:
1961 Lost WS
1970 Lost WS
1972 Lost WS
1975 Won WS
1976 Won WS
1981 Lost SB
1988 Lost SB
1990 Won WS
And the fuckfaces from crab city had these:
1964 Lost NFL (had won in 1959)
1966 Won WS
1968 Lost SB
1969 Lost WS
1970 Won WS
1970 Won SB
1971 Lost NBA
1971 Lost WS
1979 Lost WS
1983 Won WS
2000 Won SB
2012 Won SB
So, yes, these other towns, which are all similar in size and in the number of teams that play there have all had much better fortune than Cleveland has had.
Symantics. I thought you were a lawyer or something. You're now saying THE championship game. But the other games are championship games or they wouldn't call them that would they? Is there a trophy for winning the AFC championship game? I think there is. I wouldnt know though. Despite our having played in three afc championship games since I've been around we lost all of them.
Symantics. I thought you were a lawyer or something. You're now saying THE championship game. But the other games are championship games or they wouldn't call them that would they? Is there a trophy for winning the AFC championship game? I think there is. I wouldnt know though. Despite our having played in three afc championship games since I've been around we lost all of them.
Yea, I am an attorney. And I know style from substance. Yes, those are called championship games. But that is just a label.
But did you feel like the Indians had won the championship after they lost in extra innings of Game 7 of the World Series? I sure the fuck didn't.
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Wow Gipper...that is enlightening and very depressing at the same time
It's well known among us oldsters- cities with at least 3 major professional sports teams, Cleveland has waited by FAR the longest to win a Championship in any sport. Of the Old School NFL teams, only the Lions and Cardinals have had a longer wait. Detroit had the Red Wings winning a slew of NHL Championships, and the Tigers and Pistons helping out. So Boo-hoo.Those poor Red Sox fans had the Celtics, Patriots, and Bruins to ease their pain. Long suffering Cubs fans had the Bulls, Bears, & Blackhawks. Even one team wonders (Portland, San Antonio) have fared better recently.
It's well known among us oldsters- cities with at least 3 major professional sports teams, Cleveland has waited by FAR the longest to win a Championship in any sport. Of the Old School NFL teams, only the Lions and Cardinals have had a longer wait. Detroit had the Red Wings winning a slew of NHL Championships, and the Tigers and Pistons helping out. So Boo-hoo.Those poor Red Sox fans had the Celtics, Patriots, and Bruins to ease their pain. Long suffering Cubs fans had the Bulls, Bears, & Blackhawks. Even one team wonders (Portland, San Antonio) have fared better recently.
Larry: add Eagles to that list: last title was in 1960. Plus Vikings, founded in 1960, Oilers/Tits last title in '61, Chargers, last title in '63 have waited longer....but I am not sure if you want to count them as "Old School NFL". I would as, along with the Lions and Cards, all of these have been around since I personally became a sports sceintient being and have not won titles in that time. (I do remember Browns '64, and Chargers '63...but not Eagles '60 title or Oilers AFL titles)
You are right about the 3-team town though. As I can gather it, the next town that has waited "the longest" since Cleveland that currently has a least 3 teams in the 4 major sports is Minneapolis/St. Paul. And they have only waited since 1991. (they would also be the longest wait for a 4 team town...as they have hockey too.).
I am not counting Seattle, as they have been reduced to 2 teams. ...1979 when the Sonics won was that town's last title.
Two town team with longest wait is San Diego...longer than Cleveland: 1963 when Charger won.
One team town: Vancouver: won a Stanley Cup in 1915, waiting ever since. That was pre-NHL. They had a 3 games to 2 lead in the NHL finals and blew it just a couple of years ago. (Ottawa right behind with last title in NHL in 1927).
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I believe Cleveland is the only city to neither play in nor host a Superbowl.
It's a shame the Indians didn't win in the 90's, they were the cream of the crop for a good 5 years.. and when we think back on some of those teams they are legendary as if they were champs.
I believe Cleveland is the only city to neither play in nor host a Superbowl.
It's a shame the Indians didn't win in the 90's, they were the cream of the crop for a good 5 years.. and when we think back on some of those teams they are legendary as if they were champs.
I personally don't care about the "hosting a Superbowl". It has never been a desire of mine to have Cleveland host a Super Bowl....but yea, lets win about 3-4 of them here sometime soon. They can be held in New Orleans, or Phoenix or wherever.
And yes, 2 outs away from a WS win.....pisses one off everytime you think about it.
(The only team that had worse luck were the Rangers a couple of years ago, being 1 strike away from winning it....only to blow it.)
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copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)-
AAFC Championships (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 -
NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
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AAFC Championships (4)
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copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)-
AAFC Championships (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949 -
NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)- AAFC Championships (4)
- NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
Yea, my point.....you can call just winning your division a "championship'. There are only 4 teams in each division. You can have 8 champions per year? Nyet. One champion.
That being said....lets add a pile of those "Divsion Championships" to the Browns resume.
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AAFC Championships (4)
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Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
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Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
Utterly disagree with Forbes- they can cram that list where the sun don't shine. Braves have won a couple World Series in the last 20 years, The Broncos a couple SBs. Sonics? How about the Browns on hiatus for a few years, and the #1 current player in the NBA (LeBum) giving Cleveland the finger on National TV? You'd probably have to be around 60 to remember the last Browns Championship, or (like my Mom) 80+ to remember Bob Feller & the Tribe winning the World Series.
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copied from wiKi cuz no, i don't like to type:
CLEVELAND BROWNS:
Championships League championships (8)- AAFC Championships (4)
- NFL Championships (pre-1970 AFL–NFL merger) (4)
- AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
- NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
- AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NITE!
Yea, my point.....you can call just winning your division a "championship'. There are only 4 teams in each division. You can have 8 champions per year? Nyet. One champion.
That being said....lets add a pile of those "Divsion Championships" to the Browns resume.
Yea, my point.....you can call just winning your division a "championship'. There are only 4 teams in each division. You can have 8 champions per year? Nyet. One champion.
That being said....lets add a pile of those "Divsion Championships" to the Browns resume.
don't want to banter on this much longer (because it is off topic) BUT IMHO i think there are different degrees or levels of the term champion in the world of sports. super bowl champion. afc champion. afc central champ.
sort like the world series champion. american league champion. american league central champ etc. when it comes down to it though i agree. it's sorta childish in a way. letting the kids feel good about something they achieved only to get their asses handed to them the next week. or the next day.
but then again when the world gets together and has the ultimate competition would you call an athlete from the USA who wins a bronze medal at the olympics a loser? and you can't call the super bowl winner 'world champions' because the people up north play the same game, albeit a little different. and the world series champion is kind of an impromptu name considering half the world could kick our teams' asses.
in the eye of the beholder type of thing.
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Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
Utterly disagree with Forbes- they can cram that list where the sun don't shine. Braves have won a couple World Series in the last 20 years, The Broncos a couple SBs. Sonics? How about the Browns on hiatus for a few years, and the #1 current player in the NBA (LeBum) giving Cleveland the finger on National TV? You'd probably have to be around 60 to remember the last Browns Championship, or (like my Mom) 80+ to remember Bob Feller & the Tribe winning the World Series.
Braves have won a couple World Series in the last 20 years,
Well. it was just one. The one I couldn't root for them because I was rooting for the Indians. I couldn't even celebrate that.
Atlanta is 100 miles down the road. Over the last 35 years I have watched a lot of Braves games, on TV and in person. I will always be a Indian fan, but the Braves are a fairly close second. They are my National League team.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Braves have won a couple World Series in the last 20 years,
Well. it was just one. The one I couldn't root for them because I was rooting for the Indians. I couldn't even celebrate that.
Atlanta is 100 miles down the road. Over the last 35 years I have watched a lot of Braves games, on TV and in person. I will always be a Indian fan, but the Braves are a fairly close second. They are my National League team.
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Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
Hate to break to you all, but Cleveland is only number 8 on this list :
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eddf45gdeg/the-most-miserable-sports-cities-2/#gallerycontent
I'm not sure how this works out, because there are some that have had SuperBowl appearances . . .
They put Cleveland that low because this town did have quite a bit of success in the 40s/50s.
If you just go by the total history of a town, OK sure. But if you want to go by the memory of anyone under the age of 65-70, I think Cleveland has had the worst of it.
They talk about Houston/Atlanta/Seattle being worse...but they have had titles much more recently. Though, I understand that the losing of teams, like the Thrashers leaving and the Sonics leaving. Sure that hurts. But Phoenix? They just won a title in 2001, and were in the Super Bowl as well. And putting Denver ahead of Cleveland is definitely a fucking joke.
I can see Buffalo and San Diego as being right up there...but certainly not Denver.
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Yea, my point.....you can call just winning your division a "championship'. There are only 4 teams in each division. You can have 8 champions per year? Nyet. One champion.
That being said....lets add a pile of those "Divsion Championships" to the Browns resume.
don't want to banter on this much longer (because it is off topic) BUT IMHO i think there are different degrees or levels of the term champion in the world of sports. super bowl champion. afc champion. afc central champ.
sort like the world series champion. american league champion. american league central champ etc. when it comes down to it though i agree. it's sorta childish in a way. letting the kids feel good about something they achieved only to get their asses handed to them the next week. or the next day.
but then again when the world gets together and has the ultimate competition would you call an athlete from the USA who wins a bronze medal at the olympics a loser? and you can't call the super bowl winner 'world champions' because the people up north play the same game, albeit a little different. and the world series champion is kind of an impromptu name considering half the world could kick our teams' asses.
in the eye of the beholder type of thing.
don't want to banter on this much longer (because it is off topic) BUT IMHO i think there are different degrees or levels of the term champion in the world of sports. super bowl champion. afc champion. afc central champ.
sort like the world series champion. american league champion. american league central champ etc. when it comes down to it though i agree. it's sorta childish in a way. letting the kids feel good about something they achieved only to get their asses handed to them the next week. or the next day.
but then again when the world gets together and has the ultimate competition would you call an athlete from the USA who wins a bronze medal at the olympics a loser? and you can't call the super bowl winner 'world champions' because the people up north play the same game, albeit a little different. and the world series champion is kind of an impromptu name considering half the world could kick our teams' asses.
in the eye of the beholder type of thing.
Bottom line: The "Champion" is the team that wins that last game....and carries off the final trophy.
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Braves have won a couple World Series in the last 20 years,
Well. it was just one. The one I couldn't root for them because I was rooting for the Indians. I couldn't even celebrate that.
Atlanta is 100 miles down the road. Over the last 35 years I have watched a lot of Braves games, on TV and in person. I will always be a Indian fan, but the Braves are a fairly close second. They are my National League team.
Well. it was just one. The one I couldn't root for them because I was rooting for the Indians. I couldn't even celebrate that.
Atlanta is 100 miles down the road. Over the last 35 years I have watched a lot of Braves games, on TV and in person. I will always be a Indian fan, but the Braves are a fairly close second. They are my National League team.
They have been the bridesmaid quite a few time. It just sucks that the one and only time they had to win was against us. Why couldn't they have lost to the Tribe, but beat the Yankees, or Blue Jays, or whoever else they had played.
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