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  • Whence...as is where/how did each team acquire its projected starting QB for this season:

    1. Over Half of all projected starting QBs in 2013 were that team's own pick in the First round of the draft:

    Buffalo Emmanuel 2013

    Miami Tannehill 2012

    Jets Sanchez 2009

    Baltimore Flacco 2008

    Cleveland Weeden 2012

    Pittsburgh Roethlisberger 2004

    Indy Luck 2012

    Jacksonville Gabbert 2011

    Tennesse Locker 2011

    Washington Griffin 2012

    Detroit Stafford 2009

    Green Bay Rodger 2005

    Minnesota Ponder 2011

    Atlanta Ryan 2008

    Carolina Newton 2011

    Tampa Bay Freeman 2009

    St. Louis Bradford 2010

    2. Two teams have starting QBs that theyChose in the Second round of the draft:

    Cincinnati Dalton 2011

    San Francisco Kaepernick 2011

    3. One team selected its starting QB in the Third round of the draft:

    Seattle Wilson 2012

    4. One team selected its starting QB in the Sixth round of the draft:

    New England Tom Brady 2000

    5. One team got its QB as an Undrafted College Free Agent after the draft:

    Dallas Tony Romo 2003

    6. Two teams got their QBs by trading their first round picks for each other on draft day:

    (you could almost put these in category 1 above

    San Diego E. Manning 2004

    NY Giants Rivers 2004

    7. Five other teams got their QB through a trade:

    Houston Schaub in a trade with Atlanta in 2007 (Schaub an original 3rd round pick in 2004)

    Kansas City Alex Smith in a trade with San Fran in 2013 (Smith originally 1st round pick 2005)

    Oakland Matt Flynn in a trade with Seattle in 2013 (Flynn originally a 7th round pick in 2008)

    Chicago Jay Cutler in a trade with Denver in 2009 (Cutler originally a 1st round pick in 2006)

    Arizona Carson Palmer in a trade with Oakland in 2013 (Palmer originally a 1st rd. pick in 2003)

    8. Three teams got their QB as Veteran Free Agents:

    Denver Peyton Manning 2012 (Manning 1st round pick in 1998)

    Philadelphia Michael Vick 2009 (Vick originally 1st round pick in 2001)

    New Orleans Drew Brees 2009 (Brees originally a 2d round pick in 2001)

  • Here also is the order of seniority of all projected starting QBs...in terms of when they entered the league:

    1998 Peyton Manning

    2000 Tom Brady

    2001 Michael Vick

    ------ Drew Brees

    2003 Carson Palmer

    ------ Tony Romo

    2004 Ben Roethlisberger

    ------ Phillip Rivers

    ------ Eli Manning

    ------ Matt Schaub

    2005 Alex Smith

    ------ Aaron Rodgers

    2006 Jay Cutler

    2008 Joe Flacco

    ------ Matt Ryan

    ------ Matt Flynn

    2009 Josh Freeman

    ------ Matt Stafford

    ------ Mark Sanchez

    2010 Sam Bradford

    2011 Colin Kaepernick

    ------ Cam Newton

    ------ Christian Ponder

    ------ Jake Locker

    ------ Blaine Gabbert

    ------ Andy Dalton

    2012 Russell Wilson

    ------ Robert Griffin III

    ------ Andrew Luck

    ------ Brandon Weeden

    ------ Ryan Tannehill

    2013 EJ Manuel

  • Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

  • Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

  • @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    Did not realise that. Jeff Tuel vs Tom Brady...honestly, it could go either way.

  • Apart and aside from all the guys listed above, here are the other QBs taken in the first round of the draft since Peyton Manning's year, and the categories I place them in:

    Good:

    Donovan McNabb

    Chad Pennington

    Dante Culpepper

    Average:

    Tim Couch

    Rex Grossman

    Byron Leftwich

    Jason Campbell

    David Carr

    Bad News Bears:

    Ryan Leaf

    Cade McNown

    Akili Smith

    Patrick Ramsey

    Joey Harrington

    Kyle Boller

    JP Losman

    Matt Leinert

    Vince Young

    Brady Quinn

    Jamarcus Russell

    Tim Tebow.

  • 2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

  • Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.

  • @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?

  • @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.

    @the-gipper said:

    If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.

    Nope, not a clue - my NFL knowledge stretches back about a year!

  • 2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

    @jrb12711 said:

    2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    1983: Elway, Marino, Kelly, OBrien, Eason

    1984: Steve Young, Esiason, Hostetler, Schroeder

    1985: Kosar, Cunningham, Bono

    1986: Jim Everett, Rypien, Brister

    1987: Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Majkowski

    1988: Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries

    1989: Aikman, Rodney Peete

    1990: O'Donnell, Jeff George

    1991: Favre, Craig Erickson

    1992: Maddox, Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson

    1993: Bledsoe, Brunell, Grbac, Trent Green

    1994: Dilfer, Frerotte

    1995: McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart

    1996: Tony Banks

    1997: Jake Plummer

    1998: P. Manning, M. Hasselbeck, Charlie Batch, Brian Griese

    1999: McNabb, Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Couch

    2000: Brady, Pennington, Bulger

    2001: Vick, Brees

    2002: Carr, Harrington, David Garrard

    2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman

    2004: E. Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Schaub

    2005: Alex Smith, Rodgers, J. Campbell, Orton

    2006: Cutler, Vince Young

    2007: Kolb, Trent Edward

    2008: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Chud Henne

    2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Josh Freeman

    2010: Bradford.... Tebow, McCoy? (they are the next best two in terms of production)

    2011: Newton, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

  • Zombo said:

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?

    @the-gipper said:

    But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?

    Yes ... But Teul starts if Manuel doesn't.

    Zombo

  • 27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.

    But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.

    Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.

  • 27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.

    But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.

    Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.

    @shep said:

    27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.

    But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.

    Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.

    I don't think Pryor starting is absolutely determined yet. He was a supplemental draft pick...but I can't recall the round. It wasn't first...second?

  • @jrb12711 said:

    2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    1983: Elway, Marino, Kelly, OBrien, Eason

    1984: Steve Young, Esiason, Hostetler, Schroeder

    1985: Kosar, Cunningham, Bono

    1986: Jim Everett, Rypien, Brister

    1987: Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Majkowski

    1988: Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries

    1989: Aikman, Rodney Peete

    1990: O'Donnell, Jeff George

    1991: Favre, Craig Erickson

    1992: Maddox, Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson

    1993: Bledsoe, Brunell, Grbac, Trent Green

    1994: Dilfer, Frerotte

    1995: McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart

    1996: Tony Banks

    1997: Jake Plummer

    1998: P. Manning, M. Hasselbeck, Charlie Batch, Brian Griese

    1999: McNabb, Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Couch

    2000: Brady, Pennington, Bulger

    2001: Vick, Brees

    2002: Carr, Harrington, David Garrard

    2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman

    2004: E. Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Schaub

    2005: Alex Smith, Rodgers, J. Campbell, Orton

    2006: Cutler, Vince Young

    2007: Kolb, Trent Edward

    2008: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Chud Henne

    2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Josh Freeman

    2010: Bradford.... Tebow, McCoy? (they are the next best two in terms of production)

    2011: Newton, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

    Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

    Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.

    Well, if you recall, there was a long time thought that the vaunted class of 1983 could end up without any SB rings. Those guys had all fallen short: Eason lost one, Kelly 4, Elway 3, Marino 1....until Elway's final hurrah in the late 90s that got him his rings. But, for 15 years...1983-1998 they had none.

    That class of 2004 has already doubled 1983 ring total.

  • OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:

    1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms

    1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw

    2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger

    1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman

    1989: 3 3 for Aikman

    2000: 3 3 for Brady

    1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB

    1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese

    1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach

    1983: 2 2 for John Elway

    1955: 1 1 for John Unitas

    1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson

    1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath

    1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler

    1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams

    1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon

    1984: 1 1 for Steve Young

    1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien

    1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre

    1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson

    1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer

    1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning

    2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees

    2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers

    2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco

  • OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:

    1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms

    1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw

    2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger

    1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman

    1989: 3 3 for Aikman

    2000: 3 3 for Brady

    1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB

    1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese

    1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach

    1983: 2 2 for John Elway

    1955: 1 1 for John Unitas

    1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson

    1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath

    1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler

    1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams

    1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon

    1984: 1 1 for Steve Young

    1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien

    1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre

    1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson

    1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer

    1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning

    2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees

    2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers

    2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:

    I am going to make some additions to this chart to include all draft classes going back to 1936, and to add some additional matters to some of these current stats:

    1944: 9 7 for Otto Graham, 2 for Bob Waterfield

    1956: 5.5 5 for Bart Starr, 1.5 for Morrall who started for Dolphins regular season but not postseason

    1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms

    1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw

    2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger

    1957: 4 2 for Len Dawson, 2 for Jack Kemp

    1939: 4 4 for Sid Luckman

    1955: 3 3 for John Unitas

    1949: 3 2 for George Blanda, 1 for Norm Van Brocklin

    1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman

    1989: 3 3 for Aikman

    2000: 3 3 for Brady

    1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB

    1950: 2 2 for Tobin Rote

    1948: 2 2 for Bobby Layne

    1952: 2 1 for Bill Wade 1 for Don Heinrich

    1937: 2 2 for Sammy Baugh

    1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese

    1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach

    1983: 2 2 for John Elway

    1940: 2 2 for Tommy Thompson (though he was undrafted)

    1994: 2 1 for Trent Dilfer, 1 for Kurt Warner (undrafted)

    1955: 1 1 for John Unitas

    1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson

    1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath

    1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler

    1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams

    1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon

    1984: 1 1 for Steve Young

    1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien

    1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre

    1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson

    1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer

    1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning

    2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees

    2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers

    2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco

    1958: 1 1 for Frank Ryan

    1943: 1 1 for Irv Comp

    1941: 1 1 for Paul Christman

  • WOW over load On QBs great job thou

  • WOW over load On QBs great job thou

    @tampadawgs said:

    WOW over load On QBs great job thou

    You will be tested on all this 😎