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There isn't a franchise QB in the upcoming draft

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  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #14

    Here's a list of WRs:

    Top Tier: Marqise Lee, USC; Mike Evans, A&M (underclassman); Sammy Watkins, Clemson

    Other talent: Donte Moncrief, Ole Miss; Kasen Williams, Washington; Odell Beckham, LSU; Jordan Matthews, Vandy; Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    If you don't have anything better to do on Saturdays, keep an eye on these guys:

    Obviously - Teddy Twatwater, Louisville; Tajh Boyd, Clemson; Johnny Manziel, Tex A&M

    Also - Derek Carr, Fresno State; A.J. McCarron, Alabama; Zach Mettenberger, LSU; Aaron Murray, Georiga; Bryn Renner, UNC

    The underclassmen - Brett Hundley, UCLA; Marcus mariota, Oregon; Kevin Hogan, Stanford

    Not that ALL of these guys are potential franchise QBs, but they are all talented and are creating their resumes this year to try and be the next NFL QB. They all have the potential, but it will be interesting to see which of these guys shine as the season progresses and we near the draft...

    Cbus BrownieC Cbus Brownie wrote on
    #15

    @thenew23 said:

    If you don't have anything better to do on Saturdays, keep an eye on these guys:

    Obviously - Teddy Twatwater, Louisville; Tajh Boyd, Clemson; Johnny Manziel, Tex A&M

    Also - Derek Carr, Fresno State; A.J. McCarron, Alabama; Zach Mettenberger, LSU; Aaron Murray, Georiga; Bryn Renner, UNC

    The underclassmen - Brett Hundley, UCLA; Marcus mariota, Oregon; Kevin Hogan, Stanford

    Not that ALL of these guys are potential franchise QBs, but they are all talented and are creating their resumes this year to try and be the next NFL QB. They all have the potential, but it will be interesting to see which of these guys shine as the season progresses and we near the draft...

    Bridgewater is the only relistic chance and I don't like the odds. Anyone that thinks Manziel is going to be a franchise qb in the league is delusional

  • Cbus BrownieC Cbus Brownie

    @thenew23 said:

    If you don't have anything better to do on Saturdays, keep an eye on these guys:

    Obviously - Teddy Twatwater, Louisville; Tajh Boyd, Clemson; Johnny Manziel, Tex A&M

    Also - Derek Carr, Fresno State; A.J. McCarron, Alabama; Zach Mettenberger, LSU; Aaron Murray, Georiga; Bryn Renner, UNC

    The underclassmen - Brett Hundley, UCLA; Marcus mariota, Oregon; Kevin Hogan, Stanford

    Not that ALL of these guys are potential franchise QBs, but they are all talented and are creating their resumes this year to try and be the next NFL QB. They all have the potential, but it will be interesting to see which of these guys shine as the season progresses and we near the draft...

    Bridgewater is the only relistic chance and I don't like the odds. Anyone that thinks Manziel is going to be a franchise qb in the league is delusional

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #16

    @cbus-brownie said:

    Bridgewater is the only relistic chance and I don't like the odds. Anyone that thinks Manziel is going to be a franchise qb in the league is delusional

    He puts up great numbers against the best competetion in college football. I haven't watched enough of him to trully say either way, but how can you be so sure? He has had 2 great games in his career against Alabama whose D is chalk-full of NFL talent... I don't know, too soon for me to tell...

    #Justsayin'
    DieHardBrownsFanD 1 Reply
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #17

    College talent is nothing compared to NFL talent as evidenced by recent picks Colt McCoy, Trent Richardson and Weeden.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    College talent is nothing compared to NFL talent as evidenced by recent picks Colt McCoy, Trent Richardson and Weeden.

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #18

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    College talent is nothing compared to NFL talent as evidenced by recent picks Colt McCoy, Trent Richardson and Weeden.

    Luck had college talent. So did Peterson, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Drew Brees... So, what's your point?

    #Justsayin'
    Cbus BrownieC 1 Reply
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #19

    Point is that college talent is not guarantee of NFL talent dimwit.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
    thenew23T 1 Reply
  • slowburnS slowburn wrote on
    #20

    think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Canton MikeC 2 Replies
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  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    Point is that college talent is not guarantee of NFL talent dimwit.

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #21

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Point is that college talent is not guarantee of NFL talent dimwit.

    Never said it did, but I'm pretty sure you can't draft guys based on what they are "going" to do in the NFL. So, you kinda have to go off what they did in college, right?... who's the dimwit?

    #Justsayin'
  • slowburnS slowburn

    think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #22

    @slowburn said:

    think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept

    I don't think anyone is making picks now. That's just a list of people to keep your eye on, as evidenced by the line "players to keep your eye on".

    I swear, some people on the forum would bitch if we signed Peyton Manning and AP because they weren't born in Cleveland.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @slowburn said:

    think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept

    I don't think anyone is making picks now. That's just a list of people to keep your eye on, as evidenced by the line "players to keep your eye on".

    I swear, some people on the forum would bitch if we signed Peyton Manning and AP because they weren't born in Cleveland.

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #23

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I don't think anyone is making picks now. That's just a list of people to keep your eye on, as evidenced by the line "players to keep your eye on".

    Exactly. If you watch a lot of College Football, like I do, I was just throwing some names out to possibly breed some excitement for our big moment in next year's draft. Watching the Browns this year, you can only hope to see improvement from our key young players like Skrine, Mingo, Gipson, Benjamin, Cameron, and maybe Rainey if he gets to play... Can't expect to many "W"s this year. So, you might enjoy scouting who our next QB and WR are going to be...

    #Justsayin'
  • B badbone83 wrote on
    #24

    what yall think about ala qb a.j

  • B badbone83

    what yall think about ala qb a.j

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #25

    @badbone83 said:

    what yall think about ala qb a.j

    Seems to have subpar arm strength and accuracy. He REALLY needs to have a great year to show he is a starter. Looks more like a Quinn/McCoy kind of guy right now... a backup

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    @cbus-brownie said:

    Bridgewater is the only relistic chance and I don't like the odds. Anyone that thinks Manziel is going to be a franchise qb in the league is delusional

    He puts up great numbers against the best competetion in college football. I haven't watched enough of him to trully say either way, but how can you be so sure? He has had 2 great games in his career against Alabama whose D is chalk-full of NFL talent... I don't know, too soon for me to tell...

    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on
    #26

    @thenew23 said:

    He puts up great numbers against the best competetion in college football. I haven't watched enough of him to trully say either way, but how can you be so sure? He has had 2 great games in his career against Alabama whose D is chalk-full of NFL talent... I don't know, too soon for me to tell...

    No, I replied because you insinuated that Alabama has a D that is "chalk-full" of NFL talent. Which is horseshit.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #27

    Orange85 said:

    If you guys think QB is our biggest problem you are crazy! Payton Manning could not win behind this line and with this skillet handed slow recievers.

    my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.

    i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.

    sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.

    i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?

    our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    Orange85 said:

    If you guys think QB is our biggest problem you are crazy! Payton Manning could not win behind this line and with this skillet handed slow recievers.

    my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.

    i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.

    sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.

    i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?

    our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #28

    @miktoxic said:

    my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.

    i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.

    sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.

    i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?

    our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.

    I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.

    Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...

    #Justsayin'
    miktoxicM Cbus BrownieC Tour2maT 3 Replies
  • thenew23T thenew23

    @miktoxic said:

    my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.

    i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.

    sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.

    i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?

    our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.

    I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.

    Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #29

    @thenew23 said:

    I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.

    Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...

    oh i agree weapons are necessary but having the smarts is the main reason those QBs are successful.

    also now that denver has lost their start LT lets see how it plays out for manning the rest of the year. i know he gets the ball out fast, but i guarantee you he'll be taking some shots.

    it's not that i don't know we need a franchise QB and a top notch WR, it's that we've had these 2 other GLARING fucking holes for god knows how long (well since haden became a shut down corner) that it seems like these dopes will never plug those holes. if we had another stand out corner and maybe another safety the defense would be complete. finute. you wouldn't have to worry about anything else on that side of the ball except maybe depth which you can fill in with FAs or even UDFAs.

    just give me that lord and a right guard and you guys can have a field day drafting every offensive diva from here to mars.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT 1 Reply
  • slowburnS slowburn

    think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #30

    @slowburn said:

    think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept

    Agreed. I always like to watch some of the guys who aren't yet garnering the media hype. I find Hundley & Hogan interesting.

    We'll see.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
  • tampadawgsT tampadawgs wrote on
    #31

    jonny football is nasty, just dont know if he would be good in the NFL

    C 1 Reply
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on
    #32

    I want nothing to do with manziel.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
  • Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #33

    What I call "jitterbug" running QBs, ie Tarkenton (remember him?), Vick, RG3, etc scare me injury wise & aren't proven in taking a team to a high level & maintaining success. While that type QB seems to be what teams like now, I'm still a little leary (but I'm OLD too! LOL). I still like pocket passers, but they need more athleticism in todays' NFL. To me, the most important qualities in a QB are intelligence & accuracy...the other stuff is nice to have, but those 2 are mandatory.

    I guess we'll see what the Browns hierarchy likes soon enough.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
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