There isn't a franchise QB in the upcoming draft
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think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept
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Point is that college talent is not guarantee of NFL talent dimwit.
Point is that college talent is not guarantee of NFL talent dimwit.
Never said it did, but I'm pretty sure you can't draft guys based on what they are "going" to do in the NFL. So, you kinda have to go off what they did in college, right?... who's the dimwit?
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think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept
I don't think anyone is making picks now. That's just a list of people to keep your eye on, as evidenced by the line "players to keep your eye on".
I swear, some people on the forum would bitch if we signed Peyton Manning and AP because they weren't born in Cleveland.
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think i'll make my pick when the college season is over. what a concept
I don't think anyone is making picks now. That's just a list of people to keep your eye on, as evidenced by the line "players to keep your eye on".
I swear, some people on the forum would bitch if we signed Peyton Manning and AP because they weren't born in Cleveland.
I don't think anyone is making picks now. That's just a list of people to keep your eye on, as evidenced by the line "players to keep your eye on".
Exactly. If you watch a lot of College Football, like I do, I was just throwing some names out to possibly breed some excitement for our big moment in next year's draft. Watching the Browns this year, you can only hope to see improvement from our key young players like Skrine, Mingo, Gipson, Benjamin, Cameron, and maybe Rainey if he gets to play... Can't expect to many "W"s this year. So, you might enjoy scouting who our next QB and WR are going to be...
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what yall think about ala qb a.j
Seems to have subpar arm strength and accuracy. He REALLY needs to have a great year to show he is a starter. Looks more like a Quinn/McCoy kind of guy right now... a backup
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Bridgewater is the only relistic chance and I don't like the odds. Anyone that thinks Manziel is going to be a franchise qb in the league is delusional
He puts up great numbers against the best competetion in college football. I haven't watched enough of him to trully say either way, but how can you be so sure? He has had 2 great games in his career against Alabama whose D is chalk-full of NFL talent... I don't know, too soon for me to tell...
He puts up great numbers against the best competetion in college football. I haven't watched enough of him to trully say either way, but how can you be so sure? He has had 2 great games in his career against Alabama whose D is chalk-full of NFL talent... I don't know, too soon for me to tell...
No, I replied because you insinuated that Alabama has a D that is "chalk-full" of NFL talent. Which is horseshit.
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Orange85 said:
If you guys think QB is our biggest problem you are crazy! Payton Manning could not win behind this line and with this skillet handed slow recievers.
my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.
i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.
sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.
i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?
our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.
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Orange85 said:
If you guys think QB is our biggest problem you are crazy! Payton Manning could not win behind this line and with this skillet handed slow recievers.
my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.
i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.
sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.
i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?
our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.
my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.
i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.
sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.
i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?
our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.
I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
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my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.
i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.
sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.
i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?
our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.
I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
oh i agree weapons are necessary but having the smarts is the main reason those QBs are successful.
also now that denver has lost their start LT lets see how it plays out for manning the rest of the year. i know he gets the ball out fast, but i guarantee you he'll be taking some shots.
it's not that i don't know we need a franchise QB and a top notch WR, it's that we've had these 2 other GLARING fucking holes for god knows how long (well since haden became a shut down corner) that it seems like these dopes will never plug those holes. if we had another stand out corner and maybe another safety the defense would be complete. finute. you wouldn't have to worry about anything else on that side of the ball except maybe depth which you can fill in with FAs or even UDFAs.
just give me that lord and a right guard and you guys can have a field day drafting every offensive diva from here to mars.
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jonny football is nasty, just dont know if he would be good in the NFL
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I want nothing to do with manziel.
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What I call "jitterbug" running QBs, ie Tarkenton (remember him?), Vick, RG3, etc scare me injury wise & aren't proven in taking a team to a high level & maintaining success. While that type QB seems to be what teams like now, I'm still a little leary (but I'm OLD too! LOL). I still like pocket passers, but they need more athleticism in todays' NFL. To me, the most important qualities in a QB are intelligence & accuracy...the other stuff is nice to have, but those 2 are mandatory.
I guess we'll see what the Browns hierarchy likes soon enough.
Mike
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College talent is nothing compared to NFL talent as evidenced by recent picks Colt McCoy, Trent Richardson and Weeden.
Luck had college talent. So did Peterson, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Drew Brees... So, what's your point?
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my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.
i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.
sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.
i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?
our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.
I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
We already have a serviceable Oline? Have you been watching the games? I know you meant WITH lauvao and Pinkston, and that's what I'm referring to, not the abomination combination of Greco and Cousins. Oh ya and btw, Mitchell Schwartz is statistically the worst OLINEMAN in the NFL through 2 weeks. We're "solid"?
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I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
We already have a serviceable Oline? Have you been watching the games? I know you meant WITH lauvao and Pinkston, and that's what I'm referring to, not the abomination combination of Greco and Cousins. Oh ya and btw, Mitchell Schwartz is statistically the worst OLINEMAN in the NFL through 2 weeks. We're "solid"?
We already have a serviceable Oline? Have you been watching the games? I know you meant WITH lauvao and Pinkston, and that's what I'm referring to, not the abomination combination of Greco and Cousins. Oh ya and btw, Mitchell Schwartz is statistically the worst OLINEMAN in the NFL through 2 weeks. We're "solid"?
Even when the oline was all together last year they really weren't that special.
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my man. hit it right on the nose. fix the OL give haden and ward help then focus on these flashy divas that everyone is lining up to give blow jobs to even before the 3rd week of the NFL let alone the 3rd week of a 10 game schedule in college football.
i could care less if your were born in timbukfukin2 just block the defensive threat to the QB open holes for a running back and be able to shut down the opposing teams offense.
sound familiar. super bowl winning giants. super bowl winning ravens (even with dilfer). giants did it once with hostettlar (go ahead yungins go google it) ravens with dilfer. it was all about opposing will on both lines, pass rush, shut down corners and a solid offensive attack led by the run and no cough-up turnovers.
i mean we were more than 3/4 of the way after free agency last year and we couldn't pick a corner or a fucking guard that can actually play?
our FO(s) plural since our return will go down in history as the most inept bunch of dumbasses in history.
I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy).
You also have to have a solid line ... which we already have...
Adequate = Solid? Not in my book, but does not matter since I disagree.
Even if I agreed that our best five are "adequate" (which I do not), lines rarely make it through a season intact.
You really have to be seven deep with a spare interior OL and spare OT... And your starting RT has to be at least an adequate LT... and no way we have an adequate back up LT.
You don't have to spend 1's on any OL except LT, but spending 3's and the occasional 2 are a wise investment. Your stud QB throwing to his "weapons" will thank you...
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I disagree. Solid front 7, and good secondary are important. O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy). The most important is having guys who can get open by either running good routes, creating mismatches, or just having a knack for being in the right spot in the defense. The QB has to be on the same page as those guys who run option routes and have to be able to anticipate the WRs next move. We need a QB who can anticipate and throw WRs open, and we also need WRs who are smart and sure-handed. These 2 skills are now being taught in college more than ever before. We also may still need a Big Play threat, but I think Gordon can be that guy... if he keeps his nose clean. A CB and G would not have lead to 2-0 this year... we need weapons.
Remember Brady wins when he has weapons. Rodgers wins with great weapons around him. Flacco got lucky b/c he had good weapons around him. Peyton Manning has always had weapons. Big Ben always had weapons. Drew Brees, Joe Montana, Kosar... and on and on and on... without offensive weapons, you are in the tank. The reality of the NFL today. You also have to have a solid line and front 7, which we already have...
oh i agree weapons are necessary but having the smarts is the main reason those QBs are successful.
also now that denver has lost their start LT lets see how it plays out for manning the rest of the year. i know he gets the ball out fast, but i guarantee you he'll be taking some shots.
it's not that i don't know we need a franchise QB and a top notch WR, it's that we've had these 2 other GLARING fucking holes for god knows how long (well since haden became a shut down corner) that it seems like these dopes will never plug those holes. if we had another stand out corner and maybe another safety the defense would be complete. finute. you wouldn't have to worry about anything else on that side of the ball except maybe depth which you can fill in with FAs or even UDFAs.
just give me that lord and a right guard and you guys can have a field day drafting every offensive diva from here to mars.
oh i agree weapons are necessary but having the smarts is the main reason those QBs are successful.
also now that denver has lost their start LT lets see how it plays out for manning the rest of the year. i know he gets the ball out fast, but i guarantee you he'll be taking some shots.
it's not that i don't know we need a franchise QB and a top notch WR, it's that we've had these 2 other GLARING fucking holes for god knows how long (well since haden became a shut down corner) that it seems like these dopes will never plug those holes. if we had another stand out corner and maybe another safety the defense would be complete. finute. you wouldn't have to worry about anything else on that side of the ball except maybe depth which you can fill in with FAs or even UDFAs.
just give me that lord and a right guard and you guys can have a field day drafting every offensive diva from here to mars.
You don't take a RG with a first round pick unless he is truly something special. Like a once in a lifetime talent with 200 pancakes a season and 0 sacks type player.
The talent differential between a 1st round OG and a mid round OG is a lot different than that of, say, WR or CB or QB. It's much more common to see mid round prospects at OG have solid careers than it is for mid round QBs and CBs.
I do agree, we need a OG. A real OG. But I think we can find a good one in rounds 2-4, if our scouts are worth their salt.
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O-line is important, but our guys are adequate (when healthy).
You also have to have a solid line ... which we already have...
Adequate = Solid? Not in my book, but does not matter since I disagree.
Even if I agreed that our best five are "adequate" (which I do not), lines rarely make it through a season intact.
You really have to be seven deep with a spare interior OL and spare OT... And your starting RT has to be at least an adequate LT... and no way we have an adequate back up LT.
You don't have to spend 1's on any OL except LT, but spending 3's and the occasional 2 are a wise investment. Your stud QB throwing to his "weapons" will thank you...
Adequate = Solid? Not in my book, but does not matter since I disagree.
Even if I agreed that our best five are "adequate" (which I do not), lines rarely make it through a season intact.
You really have to be seven deep with a spare interior OL and spare OT... And your starting RT has to be at least an adequate LT... and no way we have an adequate back up LT.
You don't have to spend 1's on any OL except LT, but spending 3's and the occasional 2 are a wise investment. Your stud QB throwing to his "weapons" will thank you...
The problem is:
We have two first rounders, a second rounder and two third rounders already starting for us if we ever get Greco and Lauvao together and ditch Cousins.
What say you to that?
I also believe we have shoddy line play as well, but I don't think it's because the talent isn't there. The offensive line is a cohesive unit, more than any other positional groupings on the field. They have to play together and learn how the person next to him thinks and what he sees.
Thomas has to know whether his guard is scraping to get to the second level or when the blitzing ROLB is his priority. Mack needs to know his teammates abilities in order to call out assignments. For instance, it may be easier for Lauvao to peel when he's uncovered than it is for Greco or Pinkston. So when there's no 3 technique and an edge blitz is detected, Mack's call might be a slide with Pinkston in but a peel and fill when Lauvao is in.
All of these things have to be determined in a split second and relayed to the other four OL. People like to just pile on the hog mollies and say that it's the easiest job in football but nobody realizes whst really goes into it. I'd take an OL on my trivia team before any other position on the field.
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