Browns V. Bills
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Here's a key: The Browns have proven they can win with Hoyer and no running game. The Bills have not proven the same with Manuel. Hoyer plays like a veteran, makes pre-snap reads and gets the ball out. I'm an EJ fan but he's a rookie and hasn't been asked to do much.
The Browns have proven they can barely win against a crappy Vikings team and can beat a Bengals team which is a rival.
That's not the same as proven to win.
hahalaughlaugh said:
The Browns have proven they can barely win against a crappy Vikings team and can beat a Bengals team which is a rival.
That's not the same as proven to win.
And who have the Bills defeated? A Ravens team that was rated less than the Bengals. And the Panthers by one point? No more impressive than what the Browns have done. They have been in every game...but so basically have the Browns.
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Hoyer's been really good. Not perfect... but really good. He's made some amazing throws. Has he missed a couple? Sure. But he HAS gone downfield very well on several occasions. Tough to knock him right now. Wheels could come off but haven't yet.
Do you just lie to make yourself feel better?
He has completed ONE pass over 40 yards. That's going downfield successfully on "several" occasions?
In fact, on passes over 10 yards, Hoyer is 9 of 19 (less than 50%).
hahalaughlaugh said:
Do you just lie to make yourself feel better?
He has completed ONE pass over 40 yards. That's going downfield successfully on "several" occasions?
In fact, on passes over 10 yards, Hoyer is 9 of 19 (less than 50%).
Joe Montana won multiple titles and almost never threw the ball over 40 yards. That is a complete specious argument.
And what Hoyer is with his 9-19 is : 2-0.
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I never did I just said the last 2 games we are a completely different team with Hoyer and Gordon. I just can't let people get away with stupid.
oh. because you were responding to someone trolling that was saying that the browns were going to get 'blowed out' (emmitt smith-style). gotcha
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We haven't been "blown out" all year. We have had 4 halftime leads...
We lost to the 3-1 Dolphins, and the defending champ Ravens. Without our best WR...
Bills have won 2 games by a combined 4 points, both at home... And, lost to the Jets... And, it only took 5 interceptions to win a game by 3 pts...
I'm optimistic... not overly, just optimistic...
Don't try to play the injury card. The Bills have played all 4 of their games thus far without their pro bowl free safety and their #1 cornerback.
2 games without their #2 cornerback.
Don't try to play the injury card. The Bills have played all 4 of their games thus far without their pro bowl free safety and their #1 cornerback.
2 games without their #2 cornerback.
You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
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Let me go on record saying this: I love the Bills. I love (most) Bills fans that I encounter. They're a blue collar team with a blue collar fan base.
But come on.
We're not going to blow them out just like they're not going to blow us out. It's going to be a fun game, but neither of our teams are elite juggernauts that can impose their will on another.
Jairus Byrd isn't even the best safety in the state of New York. He's oft injured and is very weak in the running game. He finished around 40th in the league in tackles last year. He's franchised so he has nothing to play for and he hasn't set foot onto the field all year. I'm not worried about him.
Stevie Johnson is a good wideout but Haden should have no problem with him. This year Haden has faced the likes of AJ Green, Greg Jennings, Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace and has given up 0 TDs and less than 300 yards.
Woods, on the other hand, may carve us up. He's been a very solid #2 and has developed a rapport with Manuel. I'm starting him in fantasy this week again. The way I see it, if the Bills do score against us, I would like it to benefit me.
Alonso has been playing well and it's likely that he'll pick off Hoyer. However, that shouldn't kill us. Hoyer had a 3 INT game in his first start and still won the game. If he's shown anything, it's that he can shake off mistakes.
Spiller is my nemesis. In Madden, I can't defend him. In real life, he tends to have the same effect against my teams. Of anybody on the Bills roster, I'm most scared of Spiller.
Historically, our run defense has been lacking. Lately, we've picked it up. This game could go either way but I'm confident we'll hold him to respectable numbers. After all, we did limit Ray Rice and AP, and they are both in a different league than Spiller.
Manuel is the guy I wanted us to get in the draft. He reminds me of McNabb. He can run if he needs to but he'll beat you by picking you apart through the air first.
But Manuel is a rookie.
He's shown that he can get confused by defenses and he hasn't quite acclimated to the speed of the game. He will, I'm sure of it. But it just hasn't happened yet. Horton likes to run multiple fronts. I think Manuel is going to have a hard time with it.
All in all, this isn't a game we should lose based on our last two performances. But anything can happen, especially on prime time.
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Man, I just don't agree. Both teams are vastly improved and had strong offseasons. The EJ pick was ballsy and smart... but nobody's looking to give back sack-a-game Keke, either.
Neither is an offensive juggernaut... but they both have players on that side of the ball, too. The winner of this game could launch toward a Wild Card.
The Browns have 0 chance at a wild card.
You guys blow.
I don't understand this confidence from Browns fans.
You get blown out by Miami. Get beat the Ravens (who the Bills beat). Almost give the game away to a horrible Vikings team, and then beat the Bengals and all of a sudden youre a good team.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Are you all on meth?
Your. Team. BLOWS.
So does the Bills.
hahalaughlaugh said:
The Browns have 0 chance at a wild card.
You guys blow.
I don't understand this confidence from Browns fans.
You get blown out by Miami. Get beat the Ravens (who the Bills beat). Almost give the game away to a horrible Vikings team, and then beat the Bengals and all of a sudden youre a good team.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Are you all on meth?
Your. Team. BLOWS.
So does the Bills.
It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
And I'm not sure "lately we've picked it up" covers it: After 4 games, the Browns are the best run defense in the NFL (2.9 ypc).
And I'm not sure "lately we've picked it up" covers it: After 4 games, the Browns are the best run defense in the NFL (2.9 ypc).
That's through 4 games. If the season were over after 4 games we'd have a much better chance at winning a Super Bowl.
I'm not going to judge this team until I see sustained success. People are too quick to hype a player or coach or team after a few showings.
We've played very well defensively this season. If we continue to be playing as well after, oh, another 4 games, then I'd say we are a very good defensive team.
Right now, however, we're perennial bottom feeders who have strung together some good showings.
And also, Weeden and Flacco's stats were nearly identical in the a Ravens-Browns game, yet I've seen reports of a weak performance by him while nobody says anything about Flacco.
I'm just saying...he didn't play that bad against the Ravens.
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hahalaughlaugh said:
The Browns have 0 chance at a wild card.
You guys blow.
I don't understand this confidence from Browns fans.
You get blown out by Miami. Get beat the Ravens (who the Bills beat). Almost give the game away to a horrible Vikings team, and then beat the Bengals and all of a sudden youre a good team.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Are you all on meth?
Your. Team. BLOWS.
So does the Bills.
It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
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It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
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No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
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No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
Which, by record, we are. We are tied for having the best record in the AFC North.
But it doesn't mean we're in first. We're in second.
I know you guys need something to cling to, so you'll cling to anything remotely positive (even when it's not true). But the fact of the matter is, we're not in first, and if we were it still means nothing 4 games into the season.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
Which, by record, we are. We are tied for having the best record in the AFC North.
But it doesn't mean we're in first. We're in second.
I know you guys need something to cling to, so you'll cling to anything remotely positive (even when it's not true). But the fact of the matter is, we're not in first, and if we were it still means nothing 4 games into the season.
Which, by record, we are. We are tied for having the best record in the AFC North.
But it doesn't mean we're in first. We're in second.
I know you guys need something to cling to, so you'll cling to anything remotely positive (even when it's not true). But the fact of the matter is, we're not in first, and if we were it still means nothing 4 games into the season.
Well, they just need to break that tie on Thursday. Patriots play Bengals on Sunday and the Ravens play the Dolphins while the Squibs have a bye... pretty tough matchups for our division rivals.
By the way, I think Squibs is a very good moniker for the Steelers.
For those not Harry Potter fans a Squib is person born of magical parents but who is impotent and has no magic. So, the Steelers were once magical....but are now impotent.
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You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
That doesn't negate the fact that he had a decent outing against the Ravens. In fact, that has nothing to do with that. That is just you pulling up an argument to counter mine, because you know as well as I do that I'm right.You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Listen, I don't want Weeden. He doesn't pass the eyeball test, he's too slow (mentally and physically), he has bad footwork, a long release and slow eyes. Hoyer, from what has been shown thus far, is the complete opposite. He's decisive and clutch. That's the guy you want at the helm.
What I want is for people on this forum to stop being blind homers and to be able to rationally discuss the Browns and other teams. It brings down the credibility of this place when everyone changes their default position from "this guy is amazing" to "this guy blows" in a matter of one week (see: Richardson).
Weeden was one dropped TD pass away from having an identical stat line as Flacco. 21-33 0 TD 0 INT vs 22-33 1 TD 0 INT. But one sucked while the other was great? Come on.
It's just annoying when you sign on and have to log through 10 pages of "Richardson sucks and is the worst RB in football" or "Every player on the Browns should be in the Pro Bowl". There are very few people who even post anything of merit anymore, namely you, Zombo, and a few others.
This board has become a joke and I hate it. This is the first place I went when my father died. The first place I go when anything sports related happens. It's a lot different than what it was even a year ago.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
We're tied for first. Which is why you'd need a tiebreaker. Which only matters when the season is over, of course.
So we're tied for first.
We're tied for first. Which is why you'd need a tiebreaker. Which only matters when the season is over, of course.
So we're tied for first.
If the season were over today, we'd be in second.
So we're in second.
Grow up and stop being a child.
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Don't try to play the injury card. The Bills have played all 4 of their games thus far without their pro bowl free safety and their #1 cornerback.
2 games without their #2 cornerback.
You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
the only reason i mentioned those injured players was to emphasize the fact that more teams than the browns deal with players being out.
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Fuck yeah boys. Bitching over tied for 1st... Only in Cleveland.
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