Browns V. Bills
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Man, I just don't agree. Both teams are vastly improved and had strong offseasons. The EJ pick was ballsy and smart... but nobody's looking to give back sack-a-game Keke, either.
Neither is an offensive juggernaut... but they both have players on that side of the ball, too. The winner of this game could launch toward a Wild Card.
The Browns have 0 chance at a wild card.
You guys blow.
I don't understand this confidence from Browns fans.
You get blown out by Miami. Get beat the Ravens (who the Bills beat). Almost give the game away to a horrible Vikings team, and then beat the Bengals and all of a sudden youre a good team.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Are you all on meth?
Your. Team. BLOWS.
So does the Bills.
hahalaughlaugh said:
The Browns have 0 chance at a wild card.
You guys blow.
I don't understand this confidence from Browns fans.
You get blown out by Miami. Get beat the Ravens (who the Bills beat). Almost give the game away to a horrible Vikings team, and then beat the Bengals and all of a sudden youre a good team.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Are you all on meth?
Your. Team. BLOWS.
So does the Bills.
It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
And I'm not sure "lately we've picked it up" covers it: After 4 games, the Browns are the best run defense in the NFL (2.9 ypc).
And I'm not sure "lately we've picked it up" covers it: After 4 games, the Browns are the best run defense in the NFL (2.9 ypc).
That's through 4 games. If the season were over after 4 games we'd have a much better chance at winning a Super Bowl.
I'm not going to judge this team until I see sustained success. People are too quick to hype a player or coach or team after a few showings.
We've played very well defensively this season. If we continue to be playing as well after, oh, another 4 games, then I'd say we are a very good defensive team.
Right now, however, we're perennial bottom feeders who have strung together some good showings.
And also, Weeden and Flacco's stats were nearly identical in the a Ravens-Browns game, yet I've seen reports of a weak performance by him while nobody says anything about Flacco.
I'm just saying...he didn't play that bad against the Ravens.
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hahalaughlaugh said:
The Browns have 0 chance at a wild card.
You guys blow.
I don't understand this confidence from Browns fans.
You get blown out by Miami. Get beat the Ravens (who the Bills beat). Almost give the game away to a horrible Vikings team, and then beat the Bengals and all of a sudden youre a good team.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Are you all on meth?
Your. Team. BLOWS.
So does the Bills.
It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
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It's obvious you are troll but the Browns are tied for 1st place in their division, while the Bills are tied for last place in their division. The Browns aren't a great team, but they don't need to be to win the AFC North because there are no great teams in the AFC north. So what if they lost to Miami and the Ravens? The Browns beat the Patriots in 2010 after the Pats won the Super Bowl. Does that mean they should've won the Super Bowl in 2010?
No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
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No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
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No. We are not tied for 1st.
Ravens own the tiebreaker. We are in second, with the tiebreaker over Cincy.
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
Which, by record, we are. We are tied for having the best record in the AFC North.
But it doesn't mean we're in first. We're in second.
I know you guys need something to cling to, so you'll cling to anything remotely positive (even when it's not true). But the fact of the matter is, we're not in first, and if we were it still means nothing 4 games into the season.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
Which, by record, we are. We are tied for having the best record in the AFC North.
But it doesn't mean we're in first. We're in second.
I know you guys need something to cling to, so you'll cling to anything remotely positive (even when it's not true). But the fact of the matter is, we're not in first, and if we were it still means nothing 4 games into the season.
Which, by record, we are. We are tied for having the best record in the AFC North.
But it doesn't mean we're in first. We're in second.
I know you guys need something to cling to, so you'll cling to anything remotely positive (even when it's not true). But the fact of the matter is, we're not in first, and if we were it still means nothing 4 games into the season.
Well, they just need to break that tie on Thursday. Patriots play Bengals on Sunday and the Ravens play the Dolphins while the Squibs have a bye... pretty tough matchups for our division rivals.
By the way, I think Squibs is a very good moniker for the Steelers.
For those not Harry Potter fans a Squib is person born of magical parents but who is impotent and has no magic. So, the Steelers were once magical....but are now impotent.
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You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Zombo said:
You use tiebreakers when teams are tied.
Zombo
That doesn't negate the fact that he had a decent outing against the Ravens. In fact, that has nothing to do with that. That is just you pulling up an argument to counter mine, because you know as well as I do that I'm right.You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Listen, I don't want Weeden. He doesn't pass the eyeball test, he's too slow (mentally and physically), he has bad footwork, a long release and slow eyes. Hoyer, from what has been shown thus far, is the complete opposite. He's decisive and clutch. That's the guy you want at the helm.
What I want is for people on this forum to stop being blind homers and to be able to rationally discuss the Browns and other teams. It brings down the credibility of this place when everyone changes their default position from "this guy is amazing" to "this guy blows" in a matter of one week (see: Richardson).
Weeden was one dropped TD pass away from having an identical stat line as Flacco. 21-33 0 TD 0 INT vs 22-33 1 TD 0 INT. But one sucked while the other was great? Come on.
It's just annoying when you sign on and have to log through 10 pages of "Richardson sucks and is the worst RB in football" or "Every player on the Browns should be in the Pro Bowl". There are very few people who even post anything of merit anymore, namely you, Zombo, and a few others.
This board has become a joke and I hate it. This is the first place I went when my father died. The first place I go when anything sports related happens. It's a lot different than what it was even a year ago.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
We're tied for first. Which is why you'd need a tiebreaker. Which only matters when the season is over, of course.
So we're tied for first.
We're tied for first. Which is why you'd need a tiebreaker. Which only matters when the season is over, of course.
So we're tied for first.
If the season were over today, we'd be in second.
So we're in second.
Grow up and stop being a child.
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Don't try to play the injury card. The Bills have played all 4 of their games thus far without their pro bowl free safety and their #1 cornerback.
2 games without their #2 cornerback.
You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
the only reason i mentioned those injured players was to emphasize the fact that more teams than the browns deal with players being out.
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Fuck yeah boys. Bitching over tied for 1st... Only in Cleveland.
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You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
the only reason i mentioned those injured players was to emphasize the fact that more teams than the browns deal with players being out.
You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
the only reason i mentioned those injured players was to emphasize the fact that more teams than the browns deal with players being out.
I left you speechless I see.
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That doesn't negate the fact that he had a decent outing against the Ravens. In fact, that has nothing to do with that. That is just you pulling up an argument to counter mine, because you know as well as I do that I'm right.You beat me to it.
Somebody said Weeden's problem wasn't accuracy? It's one of his problems for sure. He was the least accurate passer over 20 yards in the NFL last year. Not a good thing when your calling card is your "big arm."
Listen, I don't want Weeden. He doesn't pass the eyeball test, he's too slow (mentally and physically), he has bad footwork, a long release and slow eyes. Hoyer, from what has been shown thus far, is the complete opposite. He's decisive and clutch. That's the guy you want at the helm.
What I want is for people on this forum to stop being blind homers and to be able to rationally discuss the Browns and other teams. It brings down the credibility of this place when everyone changes their default position from "this guy is amazing" to "this guy blows" in a matter of one week (see: Richardson).
Weeden was one dropped TD pass away from having an identical stat line as Flacco. 21-33 0 TD 0 INT vs 22-33 1 TD 0 INT. But one sucked while the other was great? Come on.
It's just annoying when you sign on and have to log through 10 pages of "Richardson sucks and is the worst RB in football" or "Every player on the Browns should be in the Pro Bowl". There are very few people who even post anything of merit anymore, namely you, Zombo, and a few others.
This board has become a joke and I hate it. This is the first place I went when my father died. The first place I go when anything sports related happens. It's a lot different than what it was even a year ago.
That doesn't negate the fact that he had a decent outing against the Ravens. In fact, that has nothing to do with that. That is just you pulling up an argument to counter mine, because you know as well as I do that I'm right.
Listen, I don't want Weeden. He doesn't pass the eyeball test, he's too slow (mentally and physically), he has bad footwork, a long release and slow eyes. Hoyer, from what has been shown thus far, is the complete opposite. He's decisive and clutch. That's the guy you want at the helm.
What I want is for people on this forum to stop being blind homers and to be able to rationally discuss the Browns and other teams. It brings down the credibility of this place when everyone changes their default position from "this guy is amazing" to "this guy blows" in a matter of one week (see: Richardson).
Weeden was one dropped TD pass away from having an identical stat line as Flacco. 21-33 0 TD 0 INT vs 22-33 1 TD 0 INT. But one sucked while the other was great? Come on.
It's just annoying when you sign on and have to log through 10 pages of "Richardson sucks and is the worst RB in football" or "Every player on the Browns should be in the Pro Bowl". There are very few people who even post anything of merit anymore, namely you, Zombo, and a few others.
This board has become a joke and I hate it. This is the first place I went when my father died. The first place I go when anything sports related happens. It's a lot different than what it was even a year ago.
Point taken TCPO I do wish some guys would be a little more objective & less smack talking. But regarding Weeden \ Ravens he almost pulled it out despite his deficiencies. I'll grant him he didnt have Gordon, and was targeting Stonehands Little instead. Doesn't make up for the fact he took a truckload of unnecessary sacks because he's slower than molasses reading a defense.
It's a moot point if Hoyer keeps playing as he has anyway.
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You just played the injury card you told us not to.
2. The fact is: A. The Browns starting QB HAS been out because of injury (Weeden). Now maybe his is not the starting QB when he returns healthy, but he is still unofficially the starting QB.
3. The Browns were without their #1 receiver for 2 games (though not due to injury)
4. The Browns have been playing with their 3rd string ROG...and it showed in a couple of games, especially the Dolphins game.
5. The Browns gave up their #1 RB....ok, to trade, not injury. But the guy we all counted on to be the Browns #1 offensive weapon is not now playing for them.
6. The Browns have played without one of their starting LBs---Sheard, and one of their rotational linemen---Winn
So, you shuffled and dealt, all I did was take the action to the flop.
the only reason i mentioned those injured players was to emphasize the fact that more teams than the browns deal with players being out.
I left you speechless I see.
I left you speechless I see.
that was weird. my response went inside your quote instead of below. but my point still stands. he holds several things against the bills despite being without the players i listed and he says 'we did this without xxxx and xxxx' about the browns.
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Please God, give us a Victory Friday to welcome in the weekend!
I think that we can beat the Bills despite the fact that they are playing pretty well. We'll need to scratch and fight for every win and this one will be no different. We have to win the winnable ones to become relevant again, that has to start this Thursday against the Bills. Win now and we'll be locked into first place in the AFCN at least until Sunday. What a turn-a-round from worst to first in two weeks.
This turnaround has nothing to do with the Richardson trade either. It has everything to do with Hoyer and Gordon starting in the game. Our running game leaves something to be desired and I think the FO got ahead of themselves with Richardson. They should have waited to make a move at least until they saw what could have been... that's a top 5 offensive unit with TR in the HB spot right now.
Oh well, that ship has sailed as so many have stated... They better make good on draft day is all I can say. Now it's the next man up and they need to keep pressing the holes that are there and help to lighten Hoyer's load. The kid is letting it fly right now and that ball has wings and a target finder on it. Those are some of the cleanest passes I've seen a QB throw in a while. Like I said about McCoy, it's not how hard or far you can throw it but the placement and timing that matters most.
Anyways, let's beat the Bills and stake a claim for first place, at home and against all odds. We can do this! Go Browns!
Please God, give us a Victory Friday to welcome in the weekend!
Day late and a dollar short there, G....
Bills 3
Browns 2
When does the blizzard hit???
What I do not understand is that some Bills fans think they can run on the Browns. Some say because Spiller has speed.
Wrong runner.... EJ is the "runner" to worry about...
And at least we'll have the follwing to remember haha by... his most intelligent post....
hahalaughlaugh said:
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Sat amongst a group of very knowledgeable Bills fans at last year's Bills game (how did we end up with two home games in a row?)
Great convo with one gent who works the player parking area at Rich Stadium (whose name now escapes me)... if you're here... Howdy...
To my eye this looks like a very scary game for us...
Short week...
Facing completely different Offensive and Defensive schemes...
While presenting very similar Offensive and Defensive looks...
As alluded to above, I think EJ is the difference maker this week... with his legs...
Gotta go do me some Tribe rooting now... later...
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Spiller is a superstar, even though he is hurt he is still dangerous. Contain him and keep EJ from making plays with his legs and we should be good, not really worried about the pass. Browns 27-20. Kiko is looking like an absolute beast thus far though, he's one to watch
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Definitely the right move. #HoyerTheDestroyer has the locker room, the city, and the FO on his side.
He gets it done on the field too.
80*F in Virginia today. I abso-damn-lutely wore my Browns hoodie into clinic. 2 Victory Monday's in a row.
Definitely the right move. #HoyerTheDestroyer has the locker room, the city, and the FO on his side.
He gets it done on the field too.
80*F in Virginia today. I abso-damn-lutely wore my Browns hoodie into clinic. 2 Victory Monday's in a row.
LOL - My Victory Friday was meant to replicate the 2 Victory Mondays. That is what I meant, to give us a "Victory Friday", yes- we will need to achieve the victory on Thursday to have a Victory Friday. LOL about the confusion!
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