Will Brian Hoyer be in Cleveland next season?
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I hope we pay very close attention through the off season to his recovery. If he is making a full recovery we should not trade up to get a QB. We should work on our o-line, add a db, wr and rb. A quarterback in the 3 or 4th round for project would be great. I am 100% convinced Hoyer can be a VERY good NFL starting QB.
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I hope we pay very close attention through the off season to his recovery. If he is making a full recovery we should not trade up to get a QB. We should work on our o-line, add a db, wr and rb. A quarterback in the 3 or 4th round for project would be great. I am 100% convinced Hoyer can be a VERY good NFL starting QB.
I hope we pay very close attention through the off season to his recovery. If he is making a full recovery we should not trade up to get a QB. We should work on our o-line, add a db, wr and rb. A quarterback in the 3 or 4th round for project would be great. I am 100% convinced Hoyer can be a VERY good NFL starting QB.
i don't care if we draft a QB. i just care that banner and lombardi don't do the trade 2 picks to move up one spot. it is the most Retarded thing to do period. if next year's draft is so QB deep then stand pat and pick the best QB available.
the question with hoyer is his injury and how it will affect him physically and mentally. i don't care how much lombardi loves him if he can't make the roster then see ya. same with anyone else.
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They won't trade the other first to move up one spot... but I could see using it to move from 10 to 5 to get the guy they really want (no idea yet who that might be... it's Boyd for me). It's the reason they added the other pick. They basically said so.
Sign from the top of the f/a pile at corner and WR. Draft a RB in round 2. Still have two third round picks, both pretty early (ours and the Steelers). Could easily move them for a mid-2nd round pick if we still need a right guard (Lauvao played well Thursday).
Tough to follow that plan and find weak spots... and we'll certainly sign more than 2 free agents with that 30 mill... and we have a pair of 4th round picks that could be combined into a third.
The Browns don't need to cling to that other first round pick at all. They have more draft and free agent assets than they can use, really. The primary need is at QB unless you already have a franchise guy.
However we do it, even after trading up with the other first round pick, this team could easily sign four upgrades and draft another three... and we don't have that many openings. Right now, we may not have ANY openings on defense.
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Hoys lost his composure on the run that may end up costing him his career. His top priority, and it really isn't a tough one, is to protect himself at all cost. Dude was gripping hard and forgot all about fundamentals with his half assed attempt at a slide. Coach Turner needs to take a large part of blame also. He did not prepare Hoyer properly and his fucked up incompetence will have significant short and long term implications...If he hasn't already been tuned up by Chuds, B and L he needs to be. I'd show the loser the door. Without accountability you have nothing.
ACL reconstruction is a heavy duty trauma to the body and psyche. Look how tough a time RG3 has had. The jury is still out on him. Hoyers market value took a major hit and there are going to be a lot of questions. Will he ever be the same guy he was before Thursday night? That's the million dollar question and odds are that he won't. I like the kid but he is facing a tough battle that most professional athletes don't win.
Really, this whole episode has troubled me. . Time for a Makers rocks.
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Hoys lost his composure on the run that may end up costing him his career. His top priority, and it really isn't a tough one, is to protect himself at all cost. Dude was gripping hard and forgot all about fundamentals with his half assed attempt at a slide. Coach Turner needs to take a large part of blame also. He did not prepare Hoyer properly and his fucked up incompetence will have significant short and long term implications...If he hasn't already been tuned up by Chuds, B and L he needs to be. I'd show the loser the door. Without accountability you have nothing.
ACL reconstruction is a heavy duty trauma to the body and psyche. Look how tough a time RG3 has had. The jury is still out on him. Hoyers market value took a major hit and there are going to be a lot of questions. Will he ever be the same guy he was before Thursday night? That's the million dollar question and odds are that he won't. I like the kid but he is facing a tough battle that most professional athletes don't win.
Really, this whole episode has troubled me. . Time for a Makers rocks.
Hoys lost his composure on the run that may end up costing him his career. His top priority, and it really isn't a tough one, is to protect himself at all cost. Dude was gripping hard and forgot all about fundamentals with his half assed attempt at a slide. Coach Turner needs to take a large part of blame also. He did not prepare Hoyer properly and his fucked up incompetence will have significant short and long term implications...If he hasn't already been tuned up by Chuds, B and L he needs to be. I'd show the loser the door. Without accountability you have nothing.
Put the bottle away...... -
They won't trade the other first to move up one spot... but I could see using it to move from 10 to 5 to get the guy they really want (no idea yet who that might be... it's Boyd for me). It's the reason they added the other pick. They basically said so.
Sign from the top of the f/a pile at corner and WR. Draft a RB in round 2. Still have two third round picks, both pretty early (ours and the Steelers). Could easily move them for a mid-2nd round pick if we still need a right guard (Lauvao played well Thursday).
Tough to follow that plan and find weak spots... and we'll certainly sign more than 2 free agents with that 30 mill... and we have a pair of 4th round picks that could be combined into a third.
The Browns don't need to cling to that other first round pick at all. They have more draft and free agent assets than they can use, really. The primary need is at QB unless you already have a franchise guy.
However we do it, even after trading up with the other first round pick, this team could easily sign four upgrades and draft another three... and we don't have that many openings. Right now, we may not have ANY openings on defense.
They won't trade the other first to move up one spot... but I could see using it to move from 10 to 5 to get the guy they really want (no idea yet who that might be... it's Boyd for me). It's the reason they added the other pick. They basically said so.
Maybe, or maybe they like a qb and a wr or interior lineman. No single college qb has pulled away from the pack yet, I'm liking Bridgewater more but his small frame and low release is an issue.
Sign from the top of the f/a pile at corner and WR. Draft a RB in round 2. Still have two third round picks, both pretty early (ours and the Steelers). Could easily move them for a mid-2nd round pick if we still need a right guard (Lauvao played well Thursday).
I don't think spending huge in FA is a good idea. Building through the draft is the most economical way to go. Sooner or later you will have yourself in salary cap hell.
Tough to follow that plan and find weak spots... and we'll certainly sign more than 2 free agents with that 30 mill... and we have a pair of 4th round picks that could be combined into a third.
The Browns don't need to cling to that other first round pick at all. They have more draft and free agent assets than they can use, really. The primary need is at QB unless you already have a franchise guy.we are far from deep at any position on either side of the ball. Pissing away quality midround picks just to make a big splash makes no sense. We have no rb's O-line has holes and needs depth. Need depth at LB, S, CB, TE. Another WR either at the 1 or 2 spot, PK is something that will be addressed with a late round pick. And the obvious qb position. So that's nine picks right there at positions of need.
However we do it, even after trading up with the other first round pick, this team could easily sign four upgrades and draft another three... and we don't have that many openings. Right now, we may not have ANY openings on defense.again build through the draft and we have openings on both sides of the ball. This team isn't completely ready for a deep run at the playoffs yet.
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Hoys lost his composure on the run that may end up costing him his career. His top priority, and it really isn't a tough one, is to protect himself at all cost. Dude was gripping hard and forgot all about fundamentals with his half assed attempt at a slide. Coach Turner needs to take a large part of blame also. He did not prepare Hoyer properly and his fucked up incompetence will have significant short and long term implications...If he hasn't already been tuned up by Chuds, B and L he needs to be. I'd show the loser the door. Without accountability you have nothing.
ACL reconstruction is a heavy duty trauma to the body and psyche. Look how tough a time RG3 has had. The jury is still out on him. Hoyers market value took a major hit and there are going to be a lot of questions. Will he ever be the same guy he was before Thursday night? That's the million dollar question and odds are that he won't. I like the kid but he is facing a tough battle that most professional athletes don't win.
Really, this whole episode has troubled me. . Time for a Makers rocks.
Hoys lost his composure on the run that may end up costing him his career. His top priority, and it really isn't a tough one, is to protect himself at all cost. Dude was gripping hard and forgot all about fundamentals with his half assed attempt at a slide. Coach Turner needs to take a large part of blame also. He did not prepare Hoyer properly and his fucked up incompetence will have significant short and long term implications...If he hasn't already been tuned up by Chuds, B and L he needs to be. I'd show the loser the door. Without accountability you have nothing.
ACL reconstruction is a heavy duty trauma to the body and psyche. Look how tough a time RG3 has had. The jury is still out on him. Hoyers market value took a major hit and there are going to be a lot of questions. Will he ever be the same guy he was before Thursday night? That's the million dollar question and odds are that he won't. I like the kid but he is facing a tough battle that most professional athletes don't win.
Really, this whole episode has troubled me. Life can be so unfair. Time for a Makers rocks.
Rg3's was completely fucked and it happened in a huge playoff game. Hoyer will have a minimum 3 months longer than rg3 to heal and he doesn't have the mental pressure of having let the team down at the worst time possible.
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Totally disagree, Erie. I think this team is a great quarterback from 10-6 today, right now. Dead solid guarantee you we'll sign 3-4 fairly prominent young free agents. We did last year and next year we're almost compelled by the CBA. If we also drafted in the high first, second, two thirds, two fourths and a fifth all expected to make the team? That's almost more youth than this team can stand, frankly.
You put a top tier QB, a 2nd round RB, and a serious free agent #2 WR (Gordon is a #1) on this team? With this defense? 12-4. Depth? That's what the 4ths, 5th, and 6th are for, and UDFAs. And lower-tier f/a.
You gotta get the quarterback. There are no shortcuts.
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Hoyer will be back next year because he has fans in the FO and can mentor the qb we pick up in the draft. Weeden is back only if he leads the team to the playoffs. Campbell is out if he does, maybe he stays if weeden fails.
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Hoyer will be back next year because he has fans in the FO and can mentor the qb we pick up in the draft. Weeden is back only if he leads the team to the playoffs. Campbell is out if he does, maybe he stays if weeden fails.
Hoyer will be back next year because he has fans in the FO and can mentor the qb we pick up in the draft. Weeden is back only if he leads the team to the playoffs. Campbell is out if he does, maybe he stays if weeden fails.
don't know how much faith I'd have in a teammate with a whole three starts under his belt "mentoring" me. there is no substitution for live game experience. you either hit the numbers or you don't. The Browns need to dump the concept of "mentoring" and qb "development". It's just a smokescreen they hide behind when they realize they picked the wrong guy. And, as we all know, they've got plenty of success at that.
every fucking year we have the endless drivel of who and how we should pick the "guy" for QB. that's all well and good but does it always have to be four or five games into the season when the imprudent speculation begins? don't get me wrong, if you enjoy the banter and discussions more power to you. But for me, I'd rather watch a banana turn brown.
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Hoys lost his composure on the run that may end up costing him his career. His top priority, and it really isn't a tough one, is to protect himself at all cost. Dude was gripping hard and forgot all about fundamentals with his half assed attempt at a slide. Coach Turner needs to take a large part of blame also. He did not prepare Hoyer properly and his fucked up incompetence will have significant short and long term implications...If he hasn't already been tuned up by Chuds, B and L he needs to be. I'd show the loser the door. Without accountability you have nothing.
Put the bottle away...... Put the bottle away......I'll be the reincarnation of E Hemmingway after a few more. But, I doubt if you know who that is.
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We're screwed either way it seems. But the whole idea of just throwing away picks to move up because we're a "deep" team is Retarded.
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The Browns won't trade picks to move up. This qb class doesn't have qb's that are that elite from
the rest of the class.
Mariotta is #1 one place, Bridgewater is #1 someplace else, a couple of others are spoken of as
having the ability to surge ahead of them.
I just want them to draft a qb, and they will, who sees the field in the pros, like a Kosar, Peyton....
he doesn't have to be the fastest dual threat, the biggest arm. He just has to be the guy. If he had
a stronger arm, I'd draft Minnion and let him learn behind Hoyer for a year, or part of it. Minnion
so far, would probly be a second rounder. But he sees the field perhaps the best of any other qb
talked about as going in the high first round. We'll see.
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Totally disagree, Erie. I think this team is a great quarterback from 10-6 today, right now. Dead solid guarantee you we'll sign 3-4 fairly prominent young free agents. We did last year and next year we're almost compelled by the CBA. If we also drafted in the high first, second, two thirds, two fourths and a fifth all expected to make the team? That's almost more youth than this team can stand, frankly.
You put a top tier QB, a 2nd round RB, and a serious free agent #2 WR (Gordon is a #1) on this team? With this defense? 12-4. Depth? That's what the 4ths, 5th, and 6th are for, and UDFAs. And lower-tier f/a.
You gotta get the quarterback. There are no shortcuts.
Totally disagree, Erie. I think this team is a great quarterback from 10-6 today, right now. Dead solid guarantee you we'll sign 3-4 fairly prominent young free agents. We did last year and next year we're almost compelled by the CBA. If we also drafted in the high first, second, two thirds, two fourths and a fifth all expected to make the team? That's almost more youth than this team can stand, frankly.
You put a top tier QB, a 2nd round RB, and a serious free agent #2 WR (Gordon is a #1) on this team? With this defense? 12-4. Depth? That's what the 4ths, 5th, and 6th are for, and UDFAs. And lower-tier f/a.
You gotta get the quarterback. There are no shortcuts.
Gee, too many draft picks? Then we rinse wash and repeat what we did this spring, turn a second into a future first, and third into a second. The Patriots made a living off this scenario.
1\2 these stud 2014 qbs are going to bust, and bust hard in the pros- history says so.
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Totally disagree, Erie. I think this team is a great quarterback from 10-6 today, right now. Dead solid guarantee you we'll sign 3-4 fairly prominent young free agents. We did last year and next year we're almost compelled by the CBA. If we also drafted in the high first, second, two thirds, two fourths and a fifth all expected to make the team? That's almost more youth than this team can stand, frankly.
You put a top tier QB, a 2nd round RB, and a serious free agent #2 WR (Gordon is a #1) on this team? With this defense? 12-4. Depth? That's what the 4ths, 5th, and 6th are for, and UDFAs. And lower-tier f/a.
You gotta get the quarterback. There are no shortcuts.
Gee, too many draft picks? Then we rinse wash and repeat what we did this spring, turn a second into a future first, and third into a second. The Patriots made a living off this scenario.
1\2 these stud 2014 qbs are going to bust, and bust hard in the pros- history says so.
Gee, too many draft picks? Then we rinse wash and repeat what we did this spring, turn a second into a future first, and third into a second. The Patriots made a living off this scenario.
1\2 these stud 2014 qbs are going to bust, and bust hard in the pros- history says so.
agreed.
but it's like live by the sword or die by it. what're gonna do? if weeden plays his ass off and looks like a pro the rest of the year and we go 8 and 8 then the QB (IMO) would NOT have to be the first pick.
we all know the list of positions that need to be upgraded and depth added to so i won't keep mentioning it. i mean what position other than QB nowadays is worth a 1st round pick? the RBs' shelf life is what 3 years? then we need a RG and RT. i saw a couple of players yesterday that played TE but were so quick and fast with great hands that i'd drop a pick on them in the first. CB?
hell. i don't know. i think we all need to chill and let the season play out. 2 more games and we'll know a lot more. by the end of the year we'll all be lombari and banner, believe me.
like you said: rinse wash and repeat. hopefully this time we buy some decent shampoo and not the JandJ baby shit we've been bringing in here of late.
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The more I think about the injury/recovery time table, the more complicated it gets. I doubt Brian will be ready to do any real work until the start of camp......at best. I really don't see Weeden as being in the picture (man I hope someone points this out to me after he leads us to the division title and playoff wins) so that means that whatever qb we take in the draft, be it a high/low #1 or a mid #3, will get all of the off season reps.
So unless the FO stuns us all with a veteran qb trade in the off season, we will be hanging our hats on either a guy coming off a serious knee injury with only 4 NFL starts, and really only 3 games played, and a rook..........Gonna be interesting to say the least, unless the Statue of Liberty leads us to the promise land and makes all of this moot.
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The more I think about the injury/recovery time table, the more complicated it gets. I doubt Brian will be ready to do any real work until the start of camp......at best. I really don't see Weeden as being in the picture (man I hope someone points this out to me after he leads us to the division title and playoff wins) so that means that whatever qb we take in the draft, be it a high/low #1 or a mid #3, will get all of the off season reps.
So unless the FO stuns us all with a veteran qb trade in the off season, we will be hanging our hats on either a guy coming off a serious knee injury with only 4 NFL starts, and really only 3 games played, and a rook..........Gonna be interesting to say the least, unless the Statue of Liberty leads us to the promise land and makes all of this moot.
Brandon Weedens contract is fully guaranteed through next year, so unless we trade him which I think is highly unlikely he will be on the roster next year.The more I think about the injury/recovery time table, the more complicated it gets. I doubt Brian will be ready to do any real work until the start of camp......at best. I really don't see Weeden as being in the picture (man I hope someone points this out to me after he leads us to the division title and playoff wins) so that means that whatever qb we take in the draft, be it a high/low #1 or a mid #3, will get all of the off season reps.
So unless the FO stuns us all with a veteran qb trade in the off season, we will be hanging our hats on either a guy coming off a serious knee injury with only 4 NFL starts, and really only 3 games played, and a rook..........Gonna be interesting to say the least, unless the Statue of Liberty leads us to the promise land and makes all of this moot.
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Brandon Weedens contract is fully guaranteed through next year, so unless we trade him which I think is highly unlikely he will be on the roster next year.The more I think about the injury/recovery time table, the more complicated it gets. I doubt Brian will be ready to do any real work until the start of camp......at best. I really don't see Weeden as being in the picture (man I hope someone points this out to me after he leads us to the division title and playoff wins) so that means that whatever qb we take in the draft, be it a high/low #1 or a mid #3, will get all of the off season reps.
So unless the FO stuns us all with a veteran qb trade in the off season, we will be hanging our hats on either a guy coming off a serious knee injury with only 4 NFL starts, and really only 3 games played, and a rook..........Gonna be interesting to say the least, unless the Statue of Liberty leads us to the promise land and makes all of this moot.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Brandon Weedens contract is fully guaranteed through next year, so unless we trade him which I think is highly unlikely he will be on the roster next year.
He's better than pretty much any 3rd choice we'd have - although I realise saying that leaves me open to the Hoyer type comments.
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Again: If the Browns draft 6th, it might not be an issue. If they draft 12th... we'll package it with the other first to move up and get the quarterback. The Browns were pretty wide open about that being the purpose of acquiring the pick. We have no shortage of assets to fill other needs (right-side blocker, WR, RB, maybe some size at corner).
You don't really need to worry about how a team's going to upgrade the bottom of the roster or add depth. Adding a corner gives us depth there. Drafting a safety in the 4th gives us depth there. Drafting a RB in the 2nd round creates depth there. Adding a right-side blocker gives us depth there. Drafting an ILB in round 5 gives us depth there. And so on.
The only thing really worth worrying about is getting a great quarterback and putting him in a position to succeed. What's that? Great coaching. Check. Great left tackle. Check. A running game. Check (after upgrading right side of line and RB crew). Passcatchers. Check (after adding a veteran WR to go with Gordon, Cameron, Bess, Little).
You don't get stingy at quarterback in a quarterback league unless you simply don't have a calendar or understand the NFL in 2013/14. You put your biggest chips there. You go get the guy you really want, whether it's Boyd or Mariota or a fast riser like Mettenberger (he's gonna start showing up in round 1 this week).
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