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  • No, no, no.

    For goodness sakes, the Obamao regime and plenty of dems admit it will cause millions to LOSE their insurance.

    How in the hell in that good for competition?

    If it's about "competition", why not have a superior program that people will want ? Instead of forcing other

    companies to comply with all sorts of interference, fines, etc etc etc, for not complying?

    And hell yes, it's about forcing coverage of abortions, and more. And, it's about enforcement by the corrupt IRS,

    invading every American's private medical business.

    And more. Asking who owns guns, blah blah.

    I call bs.

    What? Where does all this nonsense come from? Oh yeah, Obamao's regime, and places like moveonupObamao'sleg.com......

    @calfoxwc said:

    I call bs.

    What? Where does all this nonsense come from? Oh yeah, Obamao's regime, and places like moveonupObamao'sleg.com......

    HHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

    Holy shit

    I can't take the irony

  • I think you are being a little naive when you tell me that you're sad that a political party would oppose another political party for political reasons. It happens in just about every situation.

    of course they do try and keep a little ideological veneer on each of the parties ie Democrats giving things to the poor Republicans preaching self-sufficiency...

    But I'm not talking about competition among the insurance companies. I'm talking about in general competition and market driven system doctors paid directly for their services and not being forced to send in a bill for thousands of dollars with the knowledge that they are only going to receive hundreds of that. Also every time the government subsidized is anything the prices go through the roof. Look at college tuition.

    WSS

  • Roger Daltrey --- "who are you?"

    to review -

    2009 - Senate sets budget through TARP at $862 billion - as a one time emergency stimulus...?

    the democratic house / senate rams through the HCA behind closed doors and obamacare is born.

    2010 a weary and distrustful constituency has a voice and says so in the sweeping house changeover.

    the senate goes on year by year not passing a budget, and with obamas blessing keeps the "one time TARP" expenditure alive! ($862 billion borrowed every year)

    so this administration and senate are drunk with its own wreckless actions in spending... wall street salivates...

    2012 elections prove that there are way more people in denial, (the free shit agenda)

    and when reality hit people in the face, that its time to stop spending - they become angry drunks!

    and fall back on the proven credo - blame someone! this time the house republicans -specifically the vocal ones

    so you want to increase the debt ceiling? the drunks and deniers see no other alternative and wont negotiate!

    God help us.....

  • Lol, DC is turning into White House Down.

  • ey......Ceeskooooo....

    I theenk you want to look at theese...

    (Obamaocare premiums sticker shock )

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/Obamacare-Facebook-Erupts-With-Citizen-Sticker-Shock

  • Oh yes. Speculation by Obama haters. Well that's all the proof I need.

  • By the way someone making $8.55 an hour? Good chance they have no health care at all. Bitching about how they will come up with $3000 a year for health care? Classic. $3000/12 = $250 per month. I pay more than $12,000 a year currently, have no vision or dental and a $5000 / family deductable. Fuck you. I'll take $3000 a year in a god damn heartbeat.

    Are you guys fucking delusional? The health care system. SUCKS as is.

  • That's the cheapest plan, by the way. The HSA.

  • I had an HSA and I liked it...

    is that gone now?

  • Our health care system in the finest in the world. People from all over the world come here for care.

    Doctors from the US go all over the world.

    If our health care system is so bad, dumbass, why do you want to pay any money

    at all to take part in it?

    shove your antagonism. You aren't making any sense. Were you able to sign up for it yet, dumbass? NO.

    Another disaster. Another broken promise. I hope you can benefit from it, Cysko. but utopia

    isn't all it's cracked up to be by this corrupt marxist pig regime. Obamaocare is a pyramid scheme.

    In the long run, it can't possibly be afforded. Look at our national debt. Look at all the trouble it is

    already causing those who DO have med insurance. I have outstanding health insurance for 600 a month.

  • btw, cysko, this country isn't all about YOU and YOUR chance at getting a benefit regardless

    of the damage this Obamao fiasco care will do.

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    1. Dems Admit Obamacare Will Cost US Companies Billions Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, ... It is Obama’s fault that we are faced with crippling Obamacare fallout.
      www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/04/dems-admit-obamacare... - Cached
    2. Dems admit ObamaCare = Socialism. Posted 2010/04/03 00:47:39; Read all 4 opinions; ... Will Zimmerman Always Have Problems With the Law? 77% voted Yes Do you agree?
      www.sodahead.com/united-states/dems-admit-obamacare... - Cached
    3. Doug Book: Dems Admit Obama's Not Eligible. Learn more about Barack Obama, Democrat Party, Obama Eligibility, Pennsylvania, Supreme Court
      www.westernjournalism.com/dems-admit-obama-not...dont-care - Cached
    4. Obama Admits There Will Be Problems With Obamacare Rollout; The Hill: “AnxiousDems Fear A Botched Implementation Of Obamacare ...
      mopns.com/2013/05/01/obama-admits-there-will-be-problems... - Cached
    5. GOP’s New Ad Tells Dems: Just Admit You Have a Spending Problem! Mar. 6, 2013 10:12am Becket Adams. ... Saturday Night Live Mocks Obamacare in Hilarious Skit 29.3K ...
      www.theblaze.com/.../06/gops-new-ad-tells-dems-just-admit... - Cached
    6. Dems Blast Tea Party 'Anarchists'-- But Admit 'Many of the Public Is AgainstObamacare' ... Schumer admitted that "many of the public is against Obamacare, ...
      cnsnews.com/.../dems...admit-many-public-against-obamacare - Cached
    7. Dems Admit to Cooking the Books: Dems Admit to Cooking the Books By Arnold Ahlert Last week, whether by accident or design, the Democrat party and the Obama ...
      www.raptureforums.com/FeaturedCommentary/demsadmitto... - Cached
    8. Democrats Finally Admitting Obamacare is Bad. 12/13/12 . From the Washington Examiner: Sixteen Democratic senators who voted for the Affordable Care Act are asking ...
      www.reagancoalition.com/...dems-obamacare-admit.html - Cached
    9. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky. is intensifying calls for Democrats toadmit flaws in the Affordable Care Act as the law takes effect.
      thehill.com/.../health...dems-need-to-admit-obamacare-flaws - Cached
    10. Dems Outraged by GOP's ... then the law must be in bigger trouble than Democrats care to admit. ... ObamaCare is so complex that it also requires the services ...
      www.breitbart.com/.../06/WSJ-Dems-Outraged-By...Of-ObamaCare - Cached
  • Obamaocare is what sucks, Cysko.

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    1. Sarah Palin is vindicated as more Democrats facing re-election admit that the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, is a rationing body equivalent ...
      news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/080913... - Cached
    2. Democrats Admit Sarah Palin’s “Death Panels” are ... in Obamacare was a deathpanel. ... a growing number of Democrats — many of whom face tough re-election ...
      www.libertyfirstnews.com/democrats-admit...death-panels... - Cached
    3. Obama Adviser Admits That Obamacare’s Death Panels ... admit it. I guess the liberals will now stop telling us we’re crazy for saying death panels will ...
      joemiller.us/2012/...admits-that-obamacares-death-panels... - Cached
    4. [Oct 1, 2013] Was Sarah Palin right about death panels in Obamacare? Howard Dean, and some other Democrats, seem to think so. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Dean ... ~ by Obama hood - Spread the Wealth ( 12 comments )
      answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20131001065912AAdGM3h - Cached
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    5. Jul 25, 2013. The federal government is ready to hire thousands of community activists, health care providers and union workers to serve as Obamacare “navigators.”
      www.libertyfirstnews.com/category/obamacare - Cached
    6. ObamaCare’s cost-cutting board — memorably called a “death panel” by Sarah Palin — is facing growing opposition from Democrats who say it will harm people ...
      thehill.com/.../316045-obamacare...opposition-from-democrats - Cached
    7. Dems admit: Yep, Death Panels are coming. Friday, ... The appointing of bureaucrats who would belong to something Libs said would never come: death panels.
      www.glennbeck.com/2013/05/17/dems-admit-yep-death-panels... - Cached
    8. Howard Dean Admits Obamacare Includes Death Panels, Wants Them Repealed. by ... getting rid of the IPAB is something Democrats and Republicans ought ...
      www.lifenews.com/2013/07/29/howard-dean-admits-obamacare... - Cached
    9. Opposition is growing from the Democrat's side of the aisle about the Obamacare deathpanels, also known as the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB ...
      www.breitbart.com/...Dems-Turn-on-Obamacare-Death-Panels - Cached
    10. Dems admit: Yep, Death Panels are coming. During a hearing, Democrats complained that Republicans were obstructing the process — what was that process?
    1. Dems Admit Obamacare Will Cost US ... about its new higher health-care costs, and there will be many more in the coming ... donate/d to Obama/Dems ...

      www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/04/dems-admit-obamacare... - Cached

    2. [Aug 22, 2013] Hi Dems, why is Obamacare far more expensive than promised?Dems, what happened to the projected savings? Now it's just cost increases. ~ by WJ ( 14 comments )
      answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130822102647AABxmis - Cached

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    Dems retreat on health care cost ... predictions that the health care legislation would grow more popular ... Dems Admit To Lying About Obama-Care ...

    sweetness-light.com/.../dems-admit-to-lying-about-obama-care - Cached

    Dems Admit Obamacare Will Cost Companies Billions. ... Oh but HEY why should theDEMS care about a few 'inconvenient ... Hot Topics Barack Obama Weird News more ...

    www.sodahead.com/united-states/dems-admit-obamacare-will... - Cached

    Doug Book: Dems Admit Obama's Not Eligible. Learn more about Barack Obama, Democrat Party, Obama Eligibility, Pennsylvania, Supreme Court

    www.westernjournalism.com/dems-admit-obama-not...dont-care - Cached

    Democrats are finally getting around to reading the ObamaCare ... impact people farmore than House and Senate leaders would admit. So here we are, as more parts ...

    www.conservativedailynews.com/2012/...dems-read-obamacare... - Cached

  • as to whether or not Obamaocare covers abortions, there is quibbling on what the definition of what "is" is....

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    1. Senate Democrats Reject GOP Obamacare Delay, Force Abortion ...
      www.lifenews.com/.../senate-democrats-reject-gop-obamacare-delay-forc...‎
      6 days ago - Senate Democrats Reject GOP Obamacare Delay, Force Abortion Funding and HHS Mandate.
    2. Obamacare Day One: Many Americans Will Fund Abortions Without ...
      www.lifenews.com/.../obamacare-day-one-many-americans-will-fund-ab...‎
      5 days ago - With the launch of Obamacare enrollment today, October 1 in a landmark date that will have many Americans railroaded into health insurance ...
    3. Pro-life researcher discloses how ObamaCare funds abortions
      www.onenewsnow.com/.../pro-life-researcher-discloses-how-obamacare-...‎
      5 days ago - ObamaCare will subsidize abortion, according to an expert who has done the research.
    4. Obamacare to fund congressional, staff abortions | LifeSiteNews.com
      www.lifesitenews.com/.../obamacare-to-fund-congressional-staff-abortio...‎
      5 days ago - Paging Bart Stupak. On March 24, 2010, he and other congresspersons calling themselves pro-life Democrats smiled for the cam...
    5. Obama administration: Lawmakers, staff can get abortion coverage ...
      www.washingtontimes.com/.../white-house-lawmakers-staff-get-abortion...‎
      5 days ago - Under the terms of Obamacare, lawmakers and their aides are ... taxpayermoney from being used to pay for abortions, but OPM said the health ...
    6. Under ObamaCare, Lawmakers and Staff Can Get Tax-Funded ...
      www.infowars.com/under-obamacare-lawmakers-and-staff-can-get-tax-f...‎
      4 days ago - “There's been a longstanding ban on federal funds going to pay forabortion in congressional and federal healthcare plans,” the FRC noted in a ...
  • Our health care system in the finest in the world. People from all over the world come here for care.

    Doctors from the US go all over the world.

    If our health care system is so bad, dumbass, why do you want to pay any money

    at all to take part in it?

    shove your antagonism. You aren't making any sense. Were you able to sign up for it yet, dumbass? NO.

    Another disaster. Another broken promise. I hope you can benefit from it, Cysko. but utopia

    isn't all it's cracked up to be by this corrupt marxist pig regime. Obamaocare is a pyramid scheme.

    In the long run, it can't possibly be afforded. Look at our national debt. Look at all the trouble it is

    already causing those who DO have med insurance. I have outstanding health insurance for 600 a month.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Our health care system in the finest in the world. People from all over the world come here for care.

    Doctors from the US go all over the world.

    If our health care system is so bad, dumbass, why do you want to pay any money

    at all to take part in it?

    shove your antagonism. You aren't making any sense. Were you able to sign up for it yet, dumbass? NO.

    Another disaster. Another broken promise. I hope you can benefit from it, Cysko. but utopia

    isn't all it's cracked up to be by this corrupt marxist pig regime. Obamaocare is a pyramid scheme.

    In the long run, it can't possibly be afforded. Look at our national debt. Look at all the trouble it is

    already causing those who DO have med insurance. I have outstanding health insurance for 600 a month.

    Because unlike you, I have a family to take care of.If it were just me I wouldn't pay a dime for it.

    And no, our health care system is irrevocably broken. We've allowed private companies to run rampant on us. It's like being raped so often that certain people start to believe when the rapist says he loves you.

    People the world over cons for our doctors not our insurance. Get a clue. Countries all over the world including our next door neighbor are able to afford it.

  • And its not about you either farmer john. I have a family. I'm still contributing to the system. You taking social security cal? Are you?

  • Yes. I'm retired. Earned it over all the years of paying into it. What you mean is, our

    medical insurance system is broken.

    well, costs are skyrocketing. I know far more about it than I used to.

    Obamaocare won't control that. You think the Obamaocare tax on med devices

    will lower the cost of the same? I'm all for dems and reps getting off their collective high horses,

    and writing a bill that people can OPTIONALLY simple take advantage of, without the gigantic leftist

    power play.

    Trust me, the law would be far, far, far smaller when you printed it out. And nobody would have their

    lives ruined by it - referring to losing hours on the job, losing jobs, losing their ability to go to the dr

    they have always gone to.

    Obamaocare does a lot of serious crap that it should not be doing. Forcing health insurance to cover

    pre existing conditions?

    I'm fine with that. Except if you go look at rates, and how they are calc'd... how in the world does anybody

    really expect their premiums not to go up?

    Seriously. It's very bad bill. The dems are admitting the very serious problems. It's so bad, so huge, so intrusive

    into the lives of other folks who are fine where they are, so expensive it can NOT be afforded over time.

    Look at how much of our nation's budget is welfare - entitlement spending.

    Now, in a few years, if not stopped, this Obamaocare will dwarf that in costs. And it can not

    be sustained. Hell, that will surely push us over 20 trillion in debt.

    The Obamaocare web site used to advertise "free health care". Now, they have taken that off the site.

    IOW's, as always, the leftists who wanted this passed make emotional promises. They just weren't valid.

    So you can shove your usual instigation of personal insults over some feigned slight. This bill has

    very, very serious problems. But this bill is not a bill that just helps Americans to be able to afford

    hc insurance. Everybody would be fine with that. If you can benefit from it, I'm glad for ya.

    Put it's a pyramid scheme. It's so huge and expensive, it can't be paid for. We are already in 16 trillion

    or more in debt. And this bill is a part of an economic "perfect storm" toward going into hyperinflation.

    This thread was never about you, and none of my posts was intended to slur you at all. Get over yourself.