Cleveland Browns have two offers for Josh Gordon of a high pick and player, report says
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It's funny how one bad game can influence opinions, say if Gordon had 100+ yards and a couple of td's against GB I don't know if we'd all be ready to trade him this week.
The Gordon risk vs. draft pick risk is a good point, I think the draft pick is looking safer where we're at now we'll see, then again a bird in the hand.. or more like grenade.
As far as LomBanner goes they get no credit for Mingo since he was a top10 pick.. they did nothing with the rest of the draft. Mingo still has a lot to prove anyway, he needs to develop an inside move.. looking good so far but so did Kam Wimbley his first year.
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remember lombardi said a 2nd round pick that cleveland gave up for gordon was too much!
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I personally hate to see him go, but would not mind NE Mallet and there 1st round pick. Weeden is terrible....
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But also don't count out New Orleans. I can see there 1st round pick and there backup QB that lombardi loves.
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Have you guys heard any new rumors with this? A friend of mine said the Redskins were interested in him. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Josh Gordon to be a Skin. I think hes going to be a top tier wr. I was told by my friend we were offering fred davis and a mid round draft pick but I didnt think he was being honest just because Jordan Cameron is setting the league on fire and Cleveland doesnt need another TE. But he then told me they want to run 2 TE sets, so I started getting my hopes up, you guys know anything new?>
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Have you guys heard any new rumors with this? A friend of mine said the Redskins were interested in him. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Josh Gordon to be a Skin. I think hes going to be a top tier wr. I was told by my friend we were offering fred davis and a mid round draft pick but I didnt think he was being honest just because Jordan Cameron is setting the league on fire and Cleveland doesnt need another TE. But he then told me they want to run 2 TE sets, so I started getting my hopes up, you guys know anything new?>
Have you guys heard any new rumors with this? A friend of mine said the Redskins were interested in him. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Josh Gordon to be a Skin. I think hes going to be a top tier wr. I was told by my friend we were offering fred davis and a mid round draft pick but I didnt think he was being honest just because Jordan Cameron is setting the league on fire and Cleveland doesnt need another TE. But he then told me they want to run 2 TE sets, so I started getting my hopes up, you guys know anything new?>
fred davis a mid rounder? F outta here with that. Better be a first rounder.
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I know that. And now he's escalated to purpdrank. What's next, mainlining heroin?
And too late on the Adderall, what do you think Haden got busted for?
Did you notice the Weeden joke?
Anyway, Gordon's from Houston. Practically everyone there drinks drank and/or smokes weed. Hopefully, being away from his hometown and having to worry about his salary will straighten him out. We certainly don't need him following Haden's path.Did you notice the Weeden joke?
Anyway, Gordon's from Houston. Practically everyone there drinks drank and/or smokes weed. Hopefully, being away from his hometown and having to worry about his salary will straighten him out. We certainly don't need him following Haden's path.do you live in Australia, bazooka? the koala looks like a pretty cool animal although I can't think of any animal I would trade for my ROCCO. he is six months old here and should max out at 75 lb. sorry about the topic deviation TCPO.
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If Gordon didn't have the two strikes, what would he be worth? Multiple high picks, probably. A first and a third? Two firsts?
If Gordon didn't have the strikes, but was injury prone (rather than suspension prone) what would he be worth? A first? I'd say suspension prone is better than injury prone, from a football perspective. So a first rounder and a low rounder probably is fair, I guess. Or a first rounder and a proven vet at a position of need - ILB, RB, DB, OL, QB.
That being said, I'd be tempted to set up this trade to happen at the end of the season (if that's even possible).
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Guys, there is no f***ing way anybody is trading a 1st round pick for Josh Gordon. My guess is the best offer so far is a 2nd rounder, and that's probably from New England. Other offers probably include 3rd or 4th round picks and a player. Again, no f***ing way we get a 1st rounder and a starter... get that out of your head!!!
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Guys, there is no f***ing way anybody is trading a 1st round pick for Josh Gordon. My guess is the best offer so far is a 2nd rounder, and that's probably from New England. Other offers probably include 3rd or 4th round picks and a player. Again, no f***ing way we get a 1st rounder and a starter... get that out of your head!!!
Guys, there is no f***ing way anybody is trading a 1st round pick for Josh Gordon. My guess is the best offer so far is a 2nd rounder, and that's probably from New England. Other offers probably include 3rd or 4th round picks and a player. Again, no f***ing way we get a 1st rounder and a starter... get that out of your head!!!
Ok.
Then why trade him?
#1 receivers don't grow on trees, as this franchise is painfully aware. And Banner should be as well ... that was the Eagles Achilles Heal. The only year they made it to the SB was when they had T.O.
To trade a 22 year old standout receiver, with every physical tool you would ever want from a receiver, who we STOLE as a second round supplementary pick ... for a second round pick is maddening.
I wish Banner would just come out and say "Fuck you, we're not trading him".
We're going to bring a rookie QB in next year and who is he going to be throwing to ... Little and bess? Wont that be fun.
Stop the madness. We struck gold for once. Fucking hold on to him.
Zombo
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Have you guys heard any new rumors with this? A friend of mine said the Redskins were interested in him. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Josh Gordon to be a Skin. I think hes going to be a top tier wr. I was told by my friend we were offering fred davis and a mid round draft pick but I didnt think he was being honest just because Jordan Cameron is setting the league on fire and Cleveland doesnt need another TE. But he then told me they want to run 2 TE sets, so I started getting my hopes up, you guys know anything new?>
fred davis a mid rounder? F outta here with that. Better be a first rounder.
fred davis a mid rounder? F outta here with that. Better be a first rounder.
The Skins don't have a 1st rd pick but this is the offer we came up with on the Skins board:
Kirk Cousins and filler for Josh Gordon and whatever.
Interested?
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Browns like Fred Davis and they'd love to run more 12 formations next year with two TEs, often in the slots. Cameron and Davis would be a handful, matchup wise.
The Browns won't move Gordon without getting value. That would be a first round pick or a starter and a 2nd round pick. Not a third. No way in hell.
Receivers are about as good as their QB with VERY few exceptions, guys with insane reception radiuses like Megatron or AJ. I love Gordon but he has some serious character issues, including seeming highly disinterested last week. If Steve Smith is the fieriest WR, Gordon is on the other end of the spectrum. Obviously he has a history of gettin' his party on, but kids do grow up.
Banner and Lombardi know finding their elite QB is hard. Finding guys to catch his passes, while necessary, isn't as hard. They'd love to have Davis, Cameron, and Dion Lewis for starters. Then they'll add a WR high in the draft and another in free agency. When I say high in the draft, it's probably the highest of the two 2nd rounders we'd have (if indeed we moved Gordon).
Basically, the Browns would commit their two first rounders to getting Mariota (for example, and I do love that kid)... and then have two picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. They could pretty easily get back into the late 1st with a high 2nd and high 3rd, and have picks in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and two 4ths. PLUS 30 mill for f/a.
Getting a couple high-level WRs wouldn't be tough.
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Browns like Fred Davis and they'd love to run more 12 formations next year with two TEs, often in the slots. Cameron and Davis would be a handful, matchup wise.
The Browns won't move Gordon without getting value. That would be a first round pick or a starter and a 2nd round pick. Not a third. No way in hell.
Receivers are about as good as their QB with VERY few exceptions, guys with insane reception radiuses like Megatron or AJ. I love Gordon but he has some serious character issues, including seeming highly disinterested last week. If Steve Smith is the fieriest WR, Gordon is on the other end of the spectrum. Obviously he has a history of gettin' his party on, but kids do grow up.
Banner and Lombardi know finding their elite QB is hard. Finding guys to catch his passes, while necessary, isn't as hard. They'd love to have Davis, Cameron, and Dion Lewis for starters. Then they'll add a WR high in the draft and another in free agency. When I say high in the draft, it's probably the highest of the two 2nd rounders we'd have (if indeed we moved Gordon).
Basically, the Browns would commit their two first rounders to getting Mariota (for example, and I do love that kid)... and then have two picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. They could pretty easily get back into the late 1st with a high 2nd and high 3rd, and have picks in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and two 4ths. PLUS 30 mill for f/a.
Getting a couple high-level WRs wouldn't be tough.
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Getting a couple high-level WRs wouldn't be tough.
I hear ya, but we have been drafting WRs high for 14 years and Gordon has been the only "high-level" one
WR 2012s 2 0 0 Josh Gordon Baylor2012 4 5 100 Travis Benjamin Miami (FL)2011 2 27 59 Greg Little North Carolina2010 6 8 177 Carlton Mitchell South Florida2009 2 4 36 Brian Robiskie Ohio State2009 2 18 50 Mohamed Massaquoi Georgia2008 6 25 191 Paul Hubbard Wisconsin2007 7 24 234 Syndric Steptoe Arizona2006 3 14 78 Travis Wilson Oklahoma2005 1 3 3 Braylon Edwards Michigan2002 2 15 47 Andre Davis Virginia Tech2001 2 2 33 Quincy Morgan Kansas State2001 7 45 245 Andre King Miami (FL)2000 2 1 32 Dennis Northcutt Arizona2000 3 17 79 JaJuan Dawson Tulane1999 2 1 32 Kevin Johnson Syracuse1999 5 15 148 Darrin Chiaverini ColoradoGuys in bold were all first and second rounders. KJ , Braylon and Northcutt had careers, but were not "high level"One out of nine was "high level". Let's hand him away so we can take another shot at it?Zombo -
But it wasn't this administration and they've all played with shitty quarterbacks, Z. And aside from the horrific Mo/Robiskie draft, most weren't high picks. Listing 7th rounder Paul Hubbard doesn't mean much.
IF the Browns made that trade, I'd see us shopping for a pretty serious WR in free agency with the promise that we're drafting a quarterback in the top 5. Then I'd draft another WR with our 39th pick (ish).
Also, the big guy the Browns got from the Packers (6'2" and 215) ran a 4.38 at his pro day. The Packers weren't thrilled at losing him at all. He'll be in the mix with Little, Bess, Benjamin, and Gurley... plus the two high-end adds, Jordan Cameron, Fred Davis, and Dion Lewis.
Lots of options for guys to catch the ball if we can find a quarterback.
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But it wasn't this administration and they've all played with shitty quarterbacks, Z. And aside from the horrific Mo/Robiskie draft, most weren't high picks. Listing 7th rounder Paul Hubbard doesn't mean much.
IF the Browns made that trade, I'd see us shopping for a pretty serious WR in free agency with the promise that we're drafting a quarterback in the top 5. Then I'd draft another WR with our 39th pick (ish).
Also, the big guy the Browns got from the Packers (6'2" and 215) ran a 4.38 at his pro day. The Packers weren't thrilled at losing him at all. He'll be in the mix with Little, Bess, Benjamin, and Gurley... plus the two high-end adds, Jordan Cameron, Fred Davis, and Dion Lewis.
Lots of options for guys to catch the ball if we can find a quarterback.
But it wasn't this administration and they've all played with shitty quarterbacks, Z. And aside from the horrific Mo/Robiskie draft, most weren't high picks. Listing 7th rounder Paul Hubbard doesn't mean much.
Again ... guys in bold.
Nine of them.
One of them played at a "high level", he is currently on the roster and you want to trade him.
You think a better QB would make stars out of Little, Robiskie, Massaquoi, Andre Davis and Quincy Morgan?
Those guys are second rounders. Josh Gordon is a first round talent. So ... trade him for a second rounder and risk coming up with one of those guys again?
Why?
Everyone knows we are drafting a QB next year. Everyone. We have two first round picks to secure the one we want.
Hey look ... we have a legit 22 year old #1 receiver ... let's trade him for a second rounder and give our new rookie QB a crapshoot.
Why?
Zombo
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