Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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There's not a QB worth trading up for. We will get a good QB with our first pick, which will be a Top 10 pick.
However, even though this draft is QB deep, it doesn't mean it's deep with good QB's. According to the Law of Averages, of the top 4 QB's: one will excel, one will be good, one will be mediocre and one will be garbage. It's a crapshoot as to which player does what.
There's not a QB worth trading up for. We will get a good QB with our first pick, which will be a Top 10 pick.
However, even though this draft is QB deep, it doesn't mean it's deep with good QB's. According to the Law of Averages, of the top 4 QB's: one will excel, one will be good, one will be mediocre and one will be garbage. It's a crapshoot as to which player does what.
I agree that these are certainly not odds that are worthy of a trade up. I bold faced above what, in my opinion, is the key statement. I don't think the top rated QBs in this upcoming draft can carry Luck's shoes, but that's just MY opinion. I have not seen a single scouting report that states any of this years' QB crop can take a D apart by reading it & that eliminates trading up. I still think McCarron's the guy this year & he lacks the "measurables" too many of these guys fall in love with for a #1 or #2 guy, but I DO think he has the mental skills coupled with good (maybe not great) physical tools to let him learn & develop behind Hoyer, who I still believe will come back to lead the Browns in 2014.
Mike
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Article on SI.com mentions the Rams might be willing to deal Sam Bradford this offseason.
Any interest?
Article on SI.com mentions the Rams might be willing to deal Sam Bradford this offseason.
Any interest?
While there are signs that Sam has finally gotten "it" this year. I have to say no...
Just feel that he's one of those tweeners. Good enough to get hopes up, but not take you home.
Plus now he's injured for the 2nd time in his career.
First was a "mere" high ankle sprain putting him out of six games in 2011.
Now comes the ACL tear...
Besides we already have one of the latter.
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There are three "reads" a QB has to make before he even makes his route reads: pre-snap, snap, and plant.
Pre-snap is beaten to death on this forum. We all know that a QB has to be able to accurately guesstimate what the defense will do based on their alignments and posture. I say "guesstimate" because a god defensive coordinator, of course, hides his intentions.
Many people like to say that Manning can read a defense before he snaps the ball. That's not the case, in truth. Normally, the pre-snap read is focused on identifying the CB assignment and identifying the mike. Half of the staff Manning does at the line is for show; trying to get the defense to force their hand. He can yell out "sixteen bologna, 52 mike, snake, snake!", it doesn't mean anything. All he's doing is bluffing.
What Manning does read nearly instantly, however, is whether the CB's are playing man or zone. This will help him eliminate many routes that are low percentage against that coverage, and help him audible accordingly. A QB's pre-snap mental agility is no doubt one of the most important qualities.
To me, however, the penultimate read is the snap read. This is the read the QB makes at the moment the ball is snapped. The snap read tends to be focused on the mike LB and/or the FS. When a QB is dropping back, in the second or two before he completes his drop, he needs to be able to tell if the safety is dropping to a half zone or single deep, if the mike is playing the RB, blitzing, filling a gap or sitting zone, and if his receivers made a clean break off the bump. All of this is one or two seconds.
That's what all great QB's have in common. Not all walk to the line and wave their arms and scream nonsense. It's the quickness of the second read that they all share.
Unfortunately, it's something that's impossible to scout.
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Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
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Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Your obsession is noted... thanks again...
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Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
That's just it. Rankings don't mean shit. It matters how good they are once they play in the NFL. Weeden, Ponder, and Gabbert were all high round picks that sucked in the NFL. And your boy Tannehill looks far from impressive. Having a great QB is essential for long term success, but there are about 3 maybe 4 teams with top notch QBs. It's a team sport and I would hate to blow half our draft to move up for Bridgewater or Mariota when there are plenty of other QBs we can take not to mention Hoyer still being a possible long term solution...
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Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
How do you know that's true?Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Tell you what, how about you poll a dozen GM's and get back to us with the results. For the record, a dozen GM's is basically a third of the league, so I would actually lean toward siding with the other 66% of GM's who supposedly feel different.
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Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Source please? If the Browns finish 8-8, they'll have to give away 1\2 their draft, plus probably next year's #1 to move up that high. Dream all you want to.
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Heh also a decent or even steeper drop off from Luck to Bilgewater ......
(just wanted to use that nickname for when he goes somewhere else
)WSS
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Wow... you don't like Bridgewater?
I honestly don't have any problem with anybody hating on every QB draft (boards are notorious for that)... but I'm offering up the broader notion that most in and around the NFL see this as a very good QB draft if most or all of the eligible guys come out. Most also would bet you a thou or so that the Browns will be very aggressive about getting the guy they want with the first card they send to the podium.
I believe it was Higdon who said "sources" say the Browns like both Mariota and Manziel a lot. Part of that is because Bridgewater is one of the higher rated QBs to come out in the past five years and a lock for #1, probably to Jax. MANY mocks think TB will take Clowney because they like Glennon and intend to continue developing him.
But it's also because Chud wants a very mobile QB who can give him more options with the offense. I don't see them taking Mettenberger or Carr, frankly. Right now, they pick 11th and you're seeing a lot of Manziel there... but it's tough to find anybody who doesn't expect the Browns to be extremely aggressive trading up... partially because they said that's why they acquired the extra #1. They aren't being coy about it. There really are no mocks that DON'T have the Browns taking a QB.
It's not an obsession. It's just reading and watching and taking the most reasonable stance. I like Hoyer. So does Mary Kay. So does Grossi. Neither believes for a second the Browns won't draft a quarterback early in round 1.
Couch... you were joking on the math, right? I didn't say, "Find 12 GMs who say this is a great QB draft and then ask them if they think it's a great QB draft." Please say you were kiddin' around. I said poll a dozen GMs. The dozen you have access to, or randomly, and they'll tell you it's an excellent QB draft. They'll also tell you Bridgewater is a legit #1 overall pick at QB and there are probably four or five guys better than anybody in last year's draft.
And as Peter King said, if the draft were held today, both EJ Manuel and Geno Smith would make more money. Not because they've been the best ever but because they've looked legit. Manuel probably wouldn't get past the Browns.
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Decent drop off from Bridgewater and Mariota, if you polled a dozen GMs. Not to say Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, or somebody else couldn't end up awesome. But from what we know right now? They're 2 of the top 3 guys drafted.
And most would tell you the Browns will go balls out for one or the other. Latest rumor is Mariota.
Your obsession is noted... thanks again...
Your obsession is noted... thanks again...
LOL... Hang in there, Shep.
I may disagree, but I admire your sticktoittiveness...
There are three "reads" a QB has to make before he even makes his route reads: pre-snap, snap, and plant.
A QB's pre-snap mental agility is no doubt one of the most important qualities.
To me, however, the penultimate read is the snap read. This is the read the QB makes at the moment the ball is snapped. The snap read tends to be focused on the mike LB and/or the FS. When a QB is dropping back, in the second or two before he completes his drop, he needs to be able to tell if the safety is dropping to a half zone or single deep, if the mike is playing the RB, blitzing, filling a gap or sitting zone, and if his receivers made a clean break off the bump. All of this is one or two seconds.
It's the quickness of the second read that they all share. Unfortunately, it's something that's impossible to scout.
Nice breakdown...
Yes, Defenses deceive. What a QB sees pre-snap may or may not be true.
The snap read either confirms the pre-snap or not... and normally the movement of either the ILB or FS are the key.
Disagree that second read talent is impossible to scout. Where the QB looks (who he looks toward) during his drop can be seen. Then you grade the decision he makes.
Certainly easy to spot an 'F' student like Wheezy or DA.
And your boy Tannehill looks far from impressive. ..
Tannehill still has a ways to go to be sure, but still has the greatest upside of his draft. Based upon the progress he's made, I believe he will end up second to only Luck in his draft class.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Wow... you don't like Bridgewater?
I honestly don't have any problem with anybody hating on every QB draft (boards are notorious for that)... but I'm offering up the broader notion that most in and around the NFL see this as a very good QB draft if most or all of the eligible guys come out. Most also would bet you a thou or so that the Browns will be very aggressive about getting the guy they want with the first card they send to the podium.
I believe it was Higdon who said "sources" say the Browns like both Mariota and Manziel a lot. Part of that is because Bridgewater is one of the higher rated QBs to come out in the past five years and a lock for #1, probably to Jax. MANY mocks think TB will take Clowney because they like Glennon and intend to continue developing him.
But it's also because Chud wants a very mobile QB who can give him more options with the offense. I don't see them taking Mettenberger or Carr, frankly. Right now, they pick 11th and you're seeing a lot of Manziel there... but it's tough to find anybody who doesn't expect the Browns to be extremely aggressive trading up... partially because they said that's why they acquired the extra #1. They aren't being coy about it. There really are no mocks that DON'T have the Browns taking a QB.
It's not an obsession. It's just reading and watching and taking the most reasonable stance. I like Hoyer. So does Mary Kay. So does Grossi. Neither believes for a second the Browns won't draft a quarterback early in round 1.
Couch... you were joking on the math, right? I didn't say, "Find 12 GMs who say this is a great QB draft and then ask them if they think it's a great QB draft." Please say you were kiddin' around. I said poll a dozen GMs. The dozen you have access to, or randomly, and they'll tell you it's an excellent QB draft. They'll also tell you Bridgewater is a legit #1 overall pick at QB and there are probably four or five guys better than anybody in last year's draft.
And as Peter King said, if the draft were held today, both EJ Manuel and Geno Smith would make more money. Not because they've been the best ever but because they've looked legit. Manuel probably wouldn't get past the Browns.
Wow... you don't like Bridgewater?
I honestly don't have any problem with anybody hating on every QB draft (boards are notorious for that)... but I'm offering up the broader notion that most in and around the NFL see this as a very good QB draft if most or all of the eligible guys come out. Most also would bet you a thou or so that the Browns will be very aggressive about getting the guy they want with the first card they send to the podium.
I believe it was Higdon who said "sources" say the Browns like both Mariota and Manziel a lot. Part of that is because Bridgewater is one of the higher rated QBs to come out in the past five years and a lock for #1, probably to Jax. MANY mocks think TB will take Clowney because they like Glennon and intend to continue developing him.
But it's also because Chud wants a very mobile QB who can give him more options with the offense. I don't see them taking Mettenberger or Carr, frankly. Right now, they pick 11th and you're seeing a lot of Manziel there... but it's tough to find anybody who doesn't expect the Browns to be extremely aggressive trading up... partially because they said that's why they acquired the extra #1. They aren't being coy about it. There really are no mocks that DON'T have the Browns taking a QB.
It's not an obsession. It's just reading and watching and taking the most reasonable stance. I like Hoyer. So does Mary Kay. So does Grossi. Neither believes for a second the Browns won't draft a quarterback early in round 1.
Couch... you were joking on the math, right? I didn't say, "Find 12 GMs who say this is a great QB draft and then ask them if they think it's a great QB draft." Please say you were kiddin' around. I said poll a dozen GMs. The dozen you have access to, or randomly, and they'll tell you it's an excellent QB draft. They'll also tell you Bridgewater is a legit #1 overall pick at QB and there are probably four or five guys better than anybody in last year's draft.
And as Peter King said, if the draft were held today, both EJ Manuel and Geno Smith would make more money. Not because they've been the best ever but because they've looked legit. Manuel probably wouldn't get past the Browns.
I love how you speak on the behalf of those "in the know" on things that you have no way of knowing.
More than half of the GM's in the NFL think you're a QB pimp.
75% of the FO personnel of AFC West teams believe in the cheese goddesses of the planet Eurageneeria.
Six NFL GM's are afraid of the dark.
Hm, that does feel good.
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Your obsession is noted... thanks again...
LOL... Hang in there, Shep.
I may disagree, but I admire your sticktoittiveness...
There are three "reads" a QB has to make before he even makes his route reads: pre-snap, snap, and plant.
A QB's pre-snap mental agility is no doubt one of the most important qualities.
To me, however, the penultimate read is the snap read. This is the read the QB makes at the moment the ball is snapped. The snap read tends to be focused on the mike LB and/or the FS. When a QB is dropping back, in the second or two before he completes his drop, he needs to be able to tell if the safety is dropping to a half zone or single deep, if the mike is playing the RB, blitzing, filling a gap or sitting zone, and if his receivers made a clean break off the bump. All of this is one or two seconds.
It's the quickness of the second read that they all share. Unfortunately, it's something that's impossible to scout.
Nice breakdown...
Yes, Defenses deceive. What a QB sees pre-snap may or may not be true.
The snap read either confirms the pre-snap or not... and normally the movement of either the ILB or FS are the key.
Disagree that second read talent is impossible to scout. Where the QB looks (who he looks toward) during his drop can be seen. Then you grade the decision he makes.
Certainly easy to spot an 'F' student like Wheezy or DA.
And your boy Tannehill looks far from impressive. ..
Tannehill still has a ways to go to be sure, but still has the greatest upside of his draft. Based upon the progress he's made, I believe he will end up second to only Luck in his draft class.
LOL... Hang in there, Shep.
I may disagree, but I admire your sticktoittiveness...
Nice breakdown...
Yes, Defenses deceive. What a QB sees pre-snap may or may not be true.
The snap read either confirms the pre-snap or not... and normally the movement of either the ILB or FS are the key.
Disagree that second read talent is impossible to scout. Where the QB looks (who he looks toward) during his drop can be seen. Then you grade the decision he makes.
Certainly easy to spot an 'F' student like Wheezy or DA.
Tannehill still has a ways to go to be sure, but still has the greatest upside of his draft. Based upon the progress he's made, I believe he will end up second to only Luck in his draft class.
When I said its impossible to scout, I meant that it's impossible to tell what the QB is reading. Sure, he can look at the right players, but we'll never really know what's going on in his head as he looks.
College QB's don't have to rely on this read as much, as broken plays are routinely turned into large gains and even TDs in college. At the high school and college level, QB's are taught that holding on to the ball longer and waiting for the receiver to break off his route is better than misreading then defense and firing early.
In the pros, it's a whole different game. Holding on to the ball gets you injured. There is no coming back from a busted play or missed opportunity (normally). You have to make the correct read.
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LOL... Hang in there, Shep.
I may disagree, but I admire your sticktoittiveness...
Nice breakdown...
Yes, Defenses deceive. What a QB sees pre-snap may or may not be true.
The snap read either confirms the pre-snap or not... and normally the movement of either the ILB or FS are the key.
Disagree that second read talent is impossible to scout. Where the QB looks (who he looks toward) during his drop can be seen. Then you grade the decision he makes.
Certainly easy to spot an 'F' student like Wheezy or DA.
Tannehill still has a ways to go to be sure, but still has the greatest upside of his draft. Based upon the progress he's made, I believe he will end up second to only Luck in his draft class.
When I said its impossible to scout, I meant that it's impossible to tell what the QB is reading. Sure, he can look at the right players, but we'll never really know what's going on in his head as he looks.
College QB's don't have to rely on this read as much, as broken plays are routinely turned into large gains and even TDs in college. At the high school and college level, QB's are taught that holding on to the ball longer and waiting for the receiver to break off his route is better than misreading then defense and firing early.
In the pros, it's a whole different game. Holding on to the ball gets you injured. There is no coming back from a busted play or missed opportunity (normally). You have to make the correct read.
When I said its impossible to scout, I meant that it's impossible to tell what the QB is reading. Sure, he can look at the right players, but we'll never really know what's going on in his head as he looks.
My point is that you can see if QB is looking for the proper input and then infer the internal process based upon action taken. Repeat a few hundred times and you get an idea of the process... or lack thereof.
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When I said its impossible to scout, I meant that it's impossible to tell what the QB is reading. Sure, he can look at the right players, but we'll never really know what's going on in his head as he looks.
My point is that you can see if QB is looking for the proper input and then infer the internal process based upon action taken. Repeat a few hundred times and you get an idea of the process... or lack thereof.
My point is that you can see if QB is looking for the proper input and then infer the internal process based upon action taken. Repeat a few hundred times and you get an idea of the process... or lack thereof.
True.
But in many college offenses, systems are run that are completely non reliant on that read.
Take Dana Holgorsen's offense, for example. A majority of the passing plays are triangle reads or half field reads that are meant to attack the more prevalent zone defenses.
A QB doesn't have to determine what the mike LB or FS is doing because it doesn't matter, that play is only focused on flooding one zone with multiple receivers. Reacting to the defense is immaterial.
Stuff like that tends to skew the stats.
I get what you are saying, though. There is a way to make an educated guess about who is more skilled at the snap read.
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Wow... you don't like Bridgewater?
I honestly don't have any problem with anybody hating on every QB draft (boards are notorious for that)... but I'm offering up the broader notion that most in and around the NFL see this as a very good QB draft if most or all of the eligible guys come out. Most also would bet you a thou or so that the Browns will be very aggressive about getting the guy they want with the first card they send to the podium.
I believe it was Higdon who said "sources" say the Browns like both Mariota and Manziel a lot. Part of that is because Bridgewater is one of the higher rated QBs to come out in the past five years and a lock for #1, probably to Jax. MANY mocks think TB will take Clowney because they like Glennon and intend to continue developing him.
But it's also because Chud wants a very mobile QB who can give him more options with the offense. I don't see them taking Mettenberger or Carr, frankly. Right now, they pick 11th and you're seeing a lot of Manziel there... but it's tough to find anybody who doesn't expect the Browns to be extremely aggressive trading up... partially because they said that's why they acquired the extra #1. They aren't being coy about it. There really are no mocks that DON'T have the Browns taking a QB.
It's not an obsession. It's just reading and watching and taking the most reasonable stance. I like Hoyer. So does Mary Kay. So does Grossi. Neither believes for a second the Browns won't draft a quarterback early in round 1.
Couch... you were joking on the math, right? I didn't say, "Find 12 GMs who say this is a great QB draft and then ask them if they think it's a great QB draft." Please say you were kiddin' around. I said poll a dozen GMs. The dozen you have access to, or randomly, and they'll tell you it's an excellent QB draft. They'll also tell you Bridgewater is a legit #1 overall pick at QB and there are probably four or five guys better than anybody in last year's draft.
And as Peter King said, if the draft were held today, both EJ Manuel and Geno Smith would make more money. Not because they've been the best ever but because they've looked legit. Manuel probably wouldn't get past the Browns.
Wow... you don't like Bridgewater?
I honestly don't have any problem with anybody hating on every QB draft (boards are notorious for that)... but I'm offering up the broader notion that most in and around the NFL see this as a very good QB draft if most or all of the eligible guys come out. Most also would bet you a thou or so that the Browns will be very aggressive about getting the guy they want with the first card they send to the podium.
Yeah most in and around the NFL.... talked to any of them lately? Or you just projecting what you THINK the Browns will do?
I believe it was Higdon who said "sources" say the Browns like both Mariota and Manziel a lot. Part of that is because Bridgewater is one of the higher rated QBs to come out in the past five years and a lock for #1, probably to Jax. MANY mocks think TB will take Clowney because they like Glennon and intend to continue developing him.
If Mariotta is as good as advertized, then by your thinking the Bucs would be fools to pass on him. It's all about the quarterback right?
But it's also because Chud wants a very mobile QB who can give him more options with the offense. I don't see them taking Mettenberger or Carr, frankly. Right now, they pick 11th and you're seeing a lot of Manziel there... but it's tough to find anybody who doesn't expect the Browns to be extremely aggressive trading up... partially because they said that's why they acquired the extra #1. They aren't being coy about it. There really are no mocks that DON'T have the Browns taking a QB.
Mocks mean nada Shep. There's a freaking huge difference between taking a qb in round one and aggressively moving up to take one. Really? Chud wants a mobile qb? You heard this from him? Just because he had Newton @ Carolina doesn't mean he wants a mobile qb. He wants a quarterback that can win games- period.
It's not an obsession. It's just reading and watching and taking the most reasonable stance. I like Hoyer. So does Mary Kay. So does Grossi. Neither believes for a second the Browns won't draft a quarterback early in round 1.
Nope, you're the lone voice in the wilderness shouting the Browns are going to aggressively move up. Like I said- start quoting guys I respect, and I'll start giving you some credence.
Couch... you were joking on the math, right? I didn't say, "Find 12 GMs who say this is a great QB draft and then ask them if they think it's a great QB draft." Please say you were kiddin' around. I said poll a dozen GMs. The dozen you have access to, or randomly, and they'll tell you it's an excellent QB draft. They'll also tell you Bridgewater is a legit #1 overall pick at QB and there are probably four or five guys better than anybody in last year's draft.
Problem is, you don't have access to those GMs either- why don't you ask them what they think on the record? I can already hear the crickets chirping. There's still 8 games to play this year- calm down for a couple of weeks at least.
And as Peter King said, if the draft were held today, both EJ Manuel and Geno Smith would make more money. Not because they've been the best ever but because they've looked legit. Manuel probably wouldn't get past the Browns.
Shep, the Browns FO said "we will be aggressive in trying to build a winner". There is absolutly no basis in fact at this point in time they said "we will agressively move up in the draft to take a qb". That's pure speculation on your part.
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Shep, you have just as little an idea what anybody of importance actually thinks about this draft as anyone else here. Saying "this is Grossi's" opinion or "this is what the FO thinks" is the reason nobody is taking you seriously. Well, part of it.
Chud can say anything he wants until he's blue in the face, it doesn't matter. Same goes for anyone that holds power. Very seldom do the things they say align with the things they think.
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Shep, you have just as little an idea what anybody of importance actually thinks about this draft as anyone else here. Saying "this is Grossi's" opinion or "this is what the FO thinks" is the reason nobody is taking you seriously. Well, part of it.
Chud can say anything he wants until he's blue in the face, it doesn't matter. Same goes for anyone that holds power. Very seldom do the things they say align with the things they think.
Shep, you have just as little an idea what anybody of importance actually thinks about this draft as anyone else here. Saying "this is Grossi's" opinion or "this is what the FO thinks" is the reason nobody is taking you seriously. Well, part of it.
Chud can say anything he wants until he's blue in the face, it doesn't matter. Same goes for anyone that holds power. Very seldom do the things they say align with the things they think.
^+1 What we know as fact is the Browns scouted Bridgewater and Manzel. They'd be remiss if they didn't. Every freaking FO in the NFL plays their cards as close to the vest as possible regarding the draft. & the smoke gets thicker the closer you get to D-Day.
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Your obsession is noted... thanks again...
LOL... Hang in there, Shep.
I may disagree, but I admire your sticktoittiveness...
There are three "reads" a QB has to make before he even makes his route reads: pre-snap, snap, and plant.
A QB's pre-snap mental agility is no doubt one of the most important qualities.
To me, however, the penultimate read is the snap read. This is the read the QB makes at the moment the ball is snapped. The snap read tends to be focused on the mike LB and/or the FS. When a QB is dropping back, in the second or two before he completes his drop, he needs to be able to tell if the safety is dropping to a half zone or single deep, if the mike is playing the RB, blitzing, filling a gap or sitting zone, and if his receivers made a clean break off the bump. All of this is one or two seconds.
It's the quickness of the second read that they all share. Unfortunately, it's something that's impossible to scout.
Nice breakdown...
Yes, Defenses deceive. What a QB sees pre-snap may or may not be true.
The snap read either confirms the pre-snap or not... and normally the movement of either the ILB or FS are the key.
Disagree that second read talent is impossible to scout. Where the QB looks (who he looks toward) during his drop can be seen. Then you grade the decision he makes.
Certainly easy to spot an 'F' student like Wheezy or DA.
And your boy Tannehill looks far from impressive. ..
Tannehill still has a ways to go to be sure, but still has the greatest upside of his draft. Based upon the progress he's made, I believe he will end up second to only Luck in his draft class.
Tannehill played a clean game and beat the Bengals. His protection is atrocious... but I agree: Trust your eyes. He has everything, huge upside, as you put it. He has high level arm talent, 4.6 speed, size, and brains. I thought the Browns should've drafted him... and would've with this current regime.
LOL... Hang in there, Shep.
I may disagree, but I admire your sticktoittiveness...
Nice breakdown...
Yes, Defenses deceive. What a QB sees pre-snap may or may not be true.
The snap read either confirms the pre-snap or not... and normally the movement of either the ILB or FS are the key.
Disagree that second read talent is impossible to scout. Where the QB looks (who he looks toward) during his drop can be seen. Then you grade the decision he makes.
Certainly easy to spot an 'F' student like Wheezy or DA.
Tannehill still has a ways to go to be sure, but still has the greatest upside of his draft. Based upon the progress he's made, I believe he will end up second to only Luck in his draft class.
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Shep, you have just as little an idea what anybody of importance actually thinks about this draft as anyone else here. Saying "this is Grossi's" opinion or "this is what the FO thinks" is the reason nobody is taking you seriously. Well, part of it.
Chud can say anything he wants until he's blue in the face, it doesn't matter. Same goes for anyone that holds power. Very seldom do the things they say align with the things they think.
I feel pretty confident with how seriously I'm taken in general, including here, so no insult taken. It's like the giant being called short (!). And I also have no problem with you or jousting in general. It's all good. No worries.
I do feel like you're misunderstanding some fundamental things here... or more accurately, pretending to. Quoting Browns beat writers or national NFL types or Mayock or anybody else like that on a Browns board is... well... sort of the opposite of something one would do that would damage his credibility. See what I'm saying? It's a Browns board... and I'm citing people who cover/analyze the Browns or the NFL for a living?
Now, if I said, "My Mom says," your post would make sense. It doesn't... but I think you kinda know it. You seem like a smart guy who just likes to joust. And again, boards benefit from that as long as it doesn't get to mean. You're getting a little obsessive about me and seem a little determined to insult me, but I feel like you're gonna get over it.
Shep, you have just as little an idea what anybody of importance actually thinks about this draft as anyone else here. Saying "this is Grossi's" opinion or "this is what the FO thinks" is the reason nobody is taking you seriously. Well, part of it.
Chud can say anything he wants until he's blue in the face, it doesn't matter. Same goes for anyone that holds power. Very seldom do the things they say align with the things they think.
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