Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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I'm not enough of a college football fan or expert to know if this would suck for us or not but anything that has us passing on Manziel is good with me.
I also would be surprised that we would go QB with the late first round pick. How many teams picking after us in the first round would really go with a QB? And by that same logic...anyone picking ahead of us in round two that need a QB would've already picked one in the first round.
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Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
I'm good with Watkins, but I don't want Boyd or any of these other running QBs in the 1st round. I'm for Hoyer as QB & take a guy in round 2 or 3 to learn from him. No one can deny that, even with only 2 games, this Browns' TEAM performed at a higher level with Hoyer in there. THAT isn't taught...Hoyer is a Leader, pure & simple.
Mike
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Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
Kind of interesting. I remember reading some gossip-ey thing that the Browns like Boyd quite a bit. Who knows if it's true but it's interesting. I still have a creeping sense he has a rise left in him and he's played very well since the clunker. He'll work out great and meet even greater.
Couldn't help but think of Boyd while watching Wilson shred the Saints. Both guys are short-ish passers who can run, not running quarterbacks. Boyd's a little more everything (bigger, faster, bigger arm) but Wilson is starting to feel like he's got the magic.
Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
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Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
I'm good with Watkins, but I don't want Boyd or any of these other running QBs in the 1st round. I'm for Hoyer as QB & take a guy in round 2 or 3 to learn from him. No one can deny that, even with only 2 games, this Browns' TEAM performed at a higher level with Hoyer in there. THAT isn't taught...Hoyer is a Leader, pure & simple.
Mike
That's what they say about Boyd: Great teammate, great leader, great kid. Better wheels and arm, higher ceiling.
I'm good with Watkins, but I don't want Boyd or any of these other running QBs in the 1st round. I'm for Hoyer as QB & take a guy in round 2 or 3 to learn from him. No one can deny that, even with only 2 games, this Browns' TEAM performed at a higher level with Hoyer in there. THAT isn't taught...Hoyer is a Leader, pure & simple.
Mike
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That's what they say about Boyd: Great teammate, great leader, great kid. Better wheels and arm, higher ceiling.
I'm good with Watkins, but I don't want Boyd or any of these other running QBs in the 1st round. I'm for Hoyer as QB & take a guy in round 2 or 3 to learn from him. No one can deny that, even with only 2 games, this Browns' TEAM performed at a higher level with Hoyer in there. THAT isn't taught...Hoyer is a Leader, pure & simple.
Mike
That's what they say about Boyd: Great teammate, great leader, great kid. Better wheels and arm, higher ceiling.
Did you watch him against USC? Clowney was right he looked scared, several times pulled the ball down and took off before the play had chance to develop, his accuracy was all over the place...
...A poormans McNabb.No, No, No, No to Boyd!
...I'm all for Watkins with the first pick.
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Just an interesting comparison for some Super Bowl winning quarterbacks statistics from college to prospects. I picked the last year of each pro player from their college days which in order are Rodgers, Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger. The College quarterbacks in order are Bridgewater, Hundley, Boyd, Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, Murray, and McCarron.
Year College Conf Comp/Att/Pct/Yards/YA/YP/TD/INT/Rating
2004 California Pac-10 JR QB 209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 8.5 24 8 154.3
2000 Purdue Big Ten SR QB 286 473 60.5 3393 7.2 7.0 24 12 132.4
1997 Tennessee SEC SR QB 287 477 60.2 3819 8.0 8.5 36 11 147.7
2003 Mississippi SEC SR QB 275 441 62.4 3600 8.2 8.5 29 10 148.1
1999 Michigan Big Ten SR QB 180 295 61.0 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138.0
2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8
2013 Louisville American JR QB 245 345 71.0 3268 9.5 10.5 25 3 172.8
2013 UCLA Pac-12 SO QB 232 342 67.8 2845 8.3 8.4 22 9 153.7
2013 Clemson ACC SR QB 252 373 67.6 3473 9.3 9.8 29 9 166.6
2013 Texas A&M SEC SO QB 246 356 69.1 3537 9.9 10.1 32 13 174.9
2013 Fresno State MWC SR QB 388 552 70.3 4467 8.1 9.3 45 5 163.4
2013 Louisiana State SEC SR QB 192 296 64.9 3082 10.4 10.7 22 8 171.4
2013 Georgia SEC SR QB 225 347 64.8 3075 8.9 9.2 26 9 158.8
2013Alabama SEC SR QB 207 306 67.6 2676 8.7 9.7 26 5 165.9
An interesting thing to note is that of the Super Bowl winners 4 of 6 stayed until they were seniors. Obviously stats aren't everything, but I thought for a comparison they are intriguing because some of these Super Bowl winners didn't light it up in college as much as you would think. . Boyd, Manziel, and Murray are considered the short QB's of the class while the Super Bowl winners only Drew Brees would be considered "short". Also I understand that the dynamics of the College game have changed considerably with the SEC being THE powerhouse in College Football. But hell, thought we might as well compare the best now from when they were in college to the top prospects coming out this year.
P.S. Sorry about the mess it won't post in the table I made
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calfoxwc, on 28 Nov 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:
The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.
Take it to the bank.
Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or... Tour
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Well, I forgot McCarron.
But the Browns won't draft Manziel. Not a chance. Face it, they
can't take the chance.
And Hundley... he amazing, but I don't see him as a sure fire
NFL read defenses great guy.
But if Chud and co. draft him, they will do it knowing he can.
It's all so complicated this year.
b23, dude... you're on Gip's turf with that kind of stat attack...
It's all so complicated this year.
Just seems like more than usual is riding on the choice...
Even with Carr's performance today thus far, I still don't want him.
For the reasons I mentioned before, but also because I just get a weird vibe from him. I try to picture "Derek Carr, Super Bowl MVP, HOF career, Franchise QB" and I can't. All I keep seeing is another duo of brothers that became mediocre NFL QB's like the McCown's, the Huard's, the Detmer's and the Hasselbeck's.Maybe Colt's little bro will break the trend???
Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
Yes on Watkins... a big old YES! Pair him and Gordon? Holy Shit!
On Boyd... ummmmm.... no...
Here's one for you Twitter aficionados... #AVOIDtheBOYD
Kind of interesting. I remember reading some gossip-ey thing that the Browns like Boyd quite a bit. Who knows if it's true but it's interesting. I still have a creeping sense he has a rise left in him and he's played very well since the clunker. He'll work out great and meet even greater.
Couldn't help but think of Boyd while watching Wilson shred the Saints. Both guys are short-ish passers who can run, not running quarterbacks. Boyd's a little more everything (bigger, faster, bigger arm) but Wilson is starting to feel like he's got the magic.
LOL... Suffering a Boyd relapse are we? Are you sure you weren't the one who wrote that "the Browns like Boyd quite a bit"?
Enjoy... but please do not say he's not a running QB. He has nearly 500 carries in his 40-ish game, college career. I'd wager at least half are designed runs including read options. It's part of his "arsenal".
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Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.
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Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.
Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.
who and what?
are you big 'slim' jim?
greasy mother fuckers.
guaranteed zit on your nose the next day.
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trade a 3rd rounder for Cousins
Draft a WR and OL in the first round
take a RB, LB, and some secondary help in the later rounds.
Then we might have a chance!!
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Don't know how many of you watch college football as much as I do, but if you're around a TV on Friday night ask them to put on ESPN2 at 8PM. Towson vs. Eastern Illinois in the quarterfinals of the FCS. It's a chance to watch QB Jimmy Garoppolo live in action. It'll be my first chance to watch him as I have only seen highlights and read articles so far...
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Me too, really want to watch him. Thanks !
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While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.
One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.
Draft both. Problem solved.
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While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.
One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.
Draft both. Problem solved.
Draft both. Problem solved.
thank god you are not anywhere near the browns' FO.
you ever think of all the other positions we need to fill or upgrade?
problem solved. thanks butch.
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I may be misled, but I thought the biggest arm in the draft was Mettenberger?
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