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  • C calfoxwc

    calfoxwc, on 28 Nov 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

    The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.

    Take it to the bank.

    Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or... Tour

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    Well, I forgot McCarron.

    But the Browns won't draft Manziel. Not a chance. Face it, they

    can't take the chance.

    And Hundley... he amazing, but I don't see him as a sure fire

    NFL read defenses great guy.

    But if Chud and co. draft him, they will do it knowing he can.

    It's all so complicated this year.

    b23, dude... you're on Gip's turf with that kind of stat attack... 🙂

    @calfoxwc said:

    It's all so complicated this year.

    Just seems like more than usual is riding on the choice...

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Even with Carr's performance today thus far, I still don't want him.

    For the reasons I mentioned before, but also because I just get a weird vibe from him. I try to picture "Derek Carr, Super Bowl MVP, HOF career, Franchise QB" and I can't. All I keep seeing is another duo of brothers that became mediocre NFL QB's like the McCown's, the Huard's, the Detmer's and the Hasselbeck's.

    Maybe Colt's little bro will break the trend???

    @mark-o said:

    Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp

    Yes on Watkins... a big old YES! Pair him and Gordon? Holy Shit!

    On Boyd... ummmmm.... no...

    Here's one for you Twitter aficionados... #AVOIDtheBOYD

    @shep said:

    Kind of interesting. I remember reading some gossip-ey thing that the Browns like Boyd quite a bit. Who knows if it's true but it's interesting. I still have a creeping sense he has a rise left in him and he's played very well since the clunker. He'll work out great and meet even greater.

    Couldn't help but think of Boyd while watching Wilson shred the Saints. Both guys are short-ish passers who can run, not running quarterbacks. Boyd's a little more everything (bigger, faster, bigger arm) but Wilson is starting to feel like he's got the magic.

    LOL... Suffering a Boyd relapse are we? Are you sure you weren't the one who wrote that "the Browns like Boyd quite a bit"? 😉

    Enjoy... but please do not say he's not a running QB. He has nearly 500 carries in his 40-ish game, college career. I'd wager at least half are designed runs including read options. It's part of his "arsenal".

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • We agree: His mobility is part of his arsenal. But he's a passer first, like Wilson.

    Tajh has his issues... but he also has a ton of qualities.

    For the record, LOL is dicky. Two adults debating/discussing should really NEVER "LOL."

  • LOL... Just noting my first reaction. Only type it if it happened. If you wish to interpret it as "dicky"... feel free.

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  • Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.

  • B BigJim

    Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.

    @bigjim said:

    Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.

    who and what?

    are you big 'slim' jim?

    greasy mother fuckers.

    guaranteed zit on your nose the next day.

  • trade a 3rd rounder for Cousins

    Draft a WR and OL in the first round

    take a RB, LB, and some secondary help in the later rounds.

    Then we might have a chance!!

  • Don't know how many of you watch college football as much as I do, but if you're around a TV on Friday night ask them to put on ESPN2 at 8PM. Towson vs. Eastern Illinois in the quarterfinals of the FCS. It's a chance to watch QB Jimmy Garoppolo live in action. It'll be my first chance to watch him as I have only seen highlights and read articles so far...

    #Justsayin'
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  • DVR is set... thanks for the heads up.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Me too, really want to watch him. Thanks !

  • Lombardi loves arm talent. This is the top arm in the Draft.

  • B BigJim

    Lombardi loves arm talent. This is the top arm in the Draft.

    @bigjim said:

    Lombardi loves arm talent. This is the top arm in the Draft.

    While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.

    One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @bigjim said:

    Lombardi loves arm talent. This is the top arm in the Draft.

    While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.

    One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.

    @the-gipper said:

    While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.

    One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.

    Draft both. Problem solved.

  • B BigJim

    @the-gipper said:

    While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.

    One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.

    Draft both. Problem solved.

    @bigjim said:

    Draft both. Problem solved.

    thank god you are not anywhere near the browns' FO.

    you ever think of all the other positions we need to fill or upgrade?

    problem solved. thanks butch.

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • I may be misled, but I thought the biggest arm in the draft was Mettenberger?

  • I said arm talent not biggest arm. Either way, I think Carr has Mett beat there also. You ever see Mett do that?

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  • Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
    B 1 Reply

  • look on the field.

    doesn't it have the word WAC painted on the field?

    nuff said.

  • Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.

    He has to avoid falling on his face against the Trojans, where his team will be fairly overmatched, and in the Senior Bowl. If he shows up well at both, he's lock top 3 or 4.

    Mik, we don't have many openings at key positions (pass rusher, #1 or #2 receiver, left tackle, #1 corner). On defense, we don't really have any openings at all and now Jordan Poyer is looking like a find (for big corner or FS if Gipson moves to SS). On offense, we basically add Dion Lewis, Travis Benjamin, Chris Faulk, and Jason Pinkston.

    Like Grossi said, it's QB and WR (our third option, really)... then "everything else." The only really clear need in the "everything else" category is a bellcow type RB. Wouldn't mind an upgrade at RT and let Schwartz compete with all the others (Greco, Lauvao, Pinkston, Faulk) for the two starting guard spots. But those aren't high ticket items.

    Not many offseasons have been clearer: It's about the QB. If this same team had a top 15 QB, Carlos Hyde, and maybe the Penn State or Wisconsin WR? 10 wins and up. We have 10 picks and the most cap space in the entire NFL and a really good core of young talent.

    The GipperT OsirisO 2 Replies
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  • i'm just arguing the fact that we don't have to use any of our other picks to move up for any QB.

    we could trade for mallet or how about just sit there at 6 and pick the BQB available?

    then we have plenty of picks to draft our other needs.

  • Three Reasons Why the Cleveland Browns Must Acquire Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL Draft

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    By Shaun Heidrick20 hours ago

    COMMENTARY | The Cleveland Browns need to inject some life into their moribund quarterback situation.

    For 15 seasons, Browns fans have had to watch their team put up losing year after losing year, primarily because Cleveland has never had a franchise quarterback since returning to the NFL in 1999. Tim Couch was supposed to be that guy, but he never panned out, and the quarterback position has been a revolving door of forgettable signal-callers ever since.

    Luckily for the Browns, the quarterback that could solve all of their problems at that position could fall right into their laps in the 2014 NFL Draft.

    That player would be Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel.

    Manziel, who was the first freshman ever to win the Heisman Trophy when he did so back in 2012, is likely headed to the NFL after his sophomore season with the Aggies. Manziel is projected in most mock drafts to be selected somewhere between fifth and 15th, which is likely right around where the Browns record in 2013 will put them in next years draft.

    A polarizing figure if there ever was one, Manziel regardless is the player the Browns need to take their offense to the next level, and these are three reasons why:

    Manziel's Confidence Is Just What The Browns Need

    While Manziel's sometimes cocky demeanor has seen him get blasted in the media several times over the last two years, the swagger he possesses is something that has not been seen in a Browns quarterback for a very long time. You likely would have to go all the way back to Bernie Kosar to find a Cleveland quarterback that was on par with Manziel from a confidence standpoint. We all know how well Kosar fared during his days with Cleveland, so that makes me optimistic that Manziel could succeed with the Browns, even though he might ruffle some feathers along the way.

    Manziel's Ability To Rush The Football Would Alter Cleveland's Offense For The Better

    With an average of just 84.3 rushing yards per game in 2013, the Browns have one of the worst ground games in the NFL this season. Having Manziel on board would likely change Cleveland's rushing attack for the better. Though Manziel is nowhere close to the 1,410 rushing yards he gained in 2012, he still has a respectable 686 yards on the ground this year while averaging 5.4 yards per carry. Just having a player like Manziel in Cleveland's backfield would force opposing defenses to respect the run a little more, which would in turn open up the passing game in a major way.

    The Browns Won't Have To Throw Manziel Into The Fire

    A big reason for the woes of the quarterbacks Cleveland has drafted over the last 15 years is that none of them were able to sit back and absorb the Browns' offense in the way that Aaron Rodgers was able to with the Green Bay Packers. Instead Couch, Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy, and Brandon Weeden all made starts in their rookie seasons for one reason or the other, which only served to kill their confidence as they were picked apart on a weekly basis. With the Browns likely returning two decent quarterbacks - Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer - next season, Manziel would have the rare luxury of being able to fully learn Cleveland's sophisticated passing offense before taking over the reins in 2015 or beyond.

    Shaun Heidrick is a Yahoo Contributor who has followed the Cleveland Browns for over 25 years.

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