Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Just an interesting comparison for some Super Bowl winning quarterbacks statistics from college to prospects. I picked the last year of each pro player from their college days which in order are Rodgers, Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger. The College quarterbacks in order are Bridgewater, Hundley, Boyd, Manziel, Carr, Mettenberger, Murray, and McCarron.
Year College Conf Comp/Att/Pct/Yards/YA/YP/TD/INT/Rating
2004 California Pac-10 JR QB 209 316 66.1 2566 8.1 8.5 24 8 154.3
2000 Purdue Big Ten SR QB 286 473 60.5 3393 7.2 7.0 24 12 132.4
1997 Tennessee SEC SR QB 287 477 60.2 3819 8.0 8.5 36 11 147.7
2003 Mississippi SEC SR QB 275 441 62.4 3600 8.2 8.5 29 10 148.1
1999 Michigan Big Ten SR QB 180 295 61.0 2217 7.5 7.7 16 6 138.0
2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8
2013 Louisville American JR QB 245 345 71.0 3268 9.5 10.5 25 3 172.8
2013 UCLA Pac-12 SO QB 232 342 67.8 2845 8.3 8.4 22 9 153.7
2013 Clemson ACC SR QB 252 373 67.6 3473 9.3 9.8 29 9 166.6
2013 Texas A&M SEC SO QB 246 356 69.1 3537 9.9 10.1 32 13 174.9
2013 Fresno State MWC SR QB 388 552 70.3 4467 8.1 9.3 45 5 163.4
2013 Louisiana State SEC SR QB 192 296 64.9 3082 10.4 10.7 22 8 171.4
2013 Georgia SEC SR QB 225 347 64.8 3075 8.9 9.2 26 9 158.8
2013Alabama SEC SR QB 207 306 67.6 2676 8.7 9.7 26 5 165.9
An interesting thing to note is that of the Super Bowl winners 4 of 6 stayed until they were seniors. Obviously stats aren't everything, but I thought for a comparison they are intriguing because some of these Super Bowl winners didn't light it up in college as much as you would think. . Boyd, Manziel, and Murray are considered the short QB's of the class while the Super Bowl winners only Drew Brees would be considered "short". Also I understand that the dynamics of the College game have changed considerably with the SEC being THE powerhouse in College Football. But hell, thought we might as well compare the best now from when they were in college to the top prospects coming out this year.
P.S. Sorry about the mess it won't post in the table I made
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calfoxwc, on 28 Nov 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:
The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.
Take it to the bank.
Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or... Tour
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Well, I forgot McCarron.
But the Browns won't draft Manziel. Not a chance. Face it, they
can't take the chance.
And Hundley... he amazing, but I don't see him as a sure fire
NFL read defenses great guy.
But if Chud and co. draft him, they will do it knowing he can.
It's all so complicated this year.
b23, dude... you're on Gip's turf with that kind of stat attack...
It's all so complicated this year.
Just seems like more than usual is riding on the choice...
Even with Carr's performance today thus far, I still don't want him.
For the reasons I mentioned before, but also because I just get a weird vibe from him. I try to picture "Derek Carr, Super Bowl MVP, HOF career, Franchise QB" and I can't. All I keep seeing is another duo of brothers that became mediocre NFL QB's like the McCown's, the Huard's, the Detmer's and the Hasselbeck's.Maybe Colt's little bro will break the trend???
Current SI Mock draft has us taking Sammy Watkins from Clemson and then taking Taj Boyd also from Clemson with our 2nd first round pick.
http://nfl.si.com/2013/12/03/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-anthony-barr/?eref=sihp
Yes on Watkins... a big old YES! Pair him and Gordon? Holy Shit!
On Boyd... ummmmm.... no...
Here's one for you Twitter aficionados... #AVOIDtheBOYD
Kind of interesting. I remember reading some gossip-ey thing that the Browns like Boyd quite a bit. Who knows if it's true but it's interesting. I still have a creeping sense he has a rise left in him and he's played very well since the clunker. He'll work out great and meet even greater.
Couldn't help but think of Boyd while watching Wilson shred the Saints. Both guys are short-ish passers who can run, not running quarterbacks. Boyd's a little more everything (bigger, faster, bigger arm) but Wilson is starting to feel like he's got the magic.
LOL... Suffering a Boyd relapse are we? Are you sure you weren't the one who wrote that "the Browns like Boyd quite a bit"?
Enjoy... but please do not say he's not a running QB. He has nearly 500 carries in his 40-ish game, college career. I'd wager at least half are designed runs including read options. It's part of his "arsenal".
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Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.
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Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.
Browns need to draft Derek Carr with their first pick, then take Davante Adams with their second pick. Then go to a pure spread offense and pass 50+ times a game. They will be more exciting and be able to outscore opponents with the defense they already have in place.
who and what?
are you big 'slim' jim?
greasy mother fuckers.
guaranteed zit on your nose the next day.
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trade a 3rd rounder for Cousins
Draft a WR and OL in the first round
take a RB, LB, and some secondary help in the later rounds.
Then we might have a chance!!
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Don't know how many of you watch college football as much as I do, but if you're around a TV on Friday night ask them to put on ESPN2 at 8PM. Towson vs. Eastern Illinois in the quarterfinals of the FCS. It's a chance to watch QB Jimmy Garoppolo live in action. It'll be my first chance to watch him as I have only seen highlights and read articles so far...
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Me too, really want to watch him. Thanks !
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While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.
One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.
Draft both. Problem solved.
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While Carr looked good there, that almost as much a Davonte Adams highlight reel as a Carr highlight reel.
One thing I noted about Carr in this is that I rarely saw him look away from his primary target.
Draft both. Problem solved.
Draft both. Problem solved.
thank god you are not anywhere near the browns' FO.
you ever think of all the other positions we need to fill or upgrade?
problem solved. thanks butch.
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I may be misled, but I thought the biggest arm in the draft was Mettenberger?
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Yes. Most quarterbacks have thrown 60 yard passes while under zero pressure to wide open receivers.
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look on the field.
doesn't it have the word WAC painted on the field?
nuff said.
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Regardless of the competition (he gets his shot at USC), Carr's arm talent is elite. If you want someone who literally can make every NFL throw with zip AND has great mobility AND didn't just tear his ACL, it's Carr.
He has to avoid falling on his face against the Trojans, where his team will be fairly overmatched, and in the Senior Bowl. If he shows up well at both, he's lock top 3 or 4.
Mik, we don't have many openings at key positions (pass rusher, #1 or #2 receiver, left tackle, #1 corner). On defense, we don't really have any openings at all and now Jordan Poyer is looking like a find (for big corner or FS if Gipson moves to SS). On offense, we basically add Dion Lewis, Travis Benjamin, Chris Faulk, and Jason Pinkston.
Like Grossi said, it's QB and WR (our third option, really)... then "everything else." The only really clear need in the "everything else" category is a bellcow type RB. Wouldn't mind an upgrade at RT and let Schwartz compete with all the others (Greco, Lauvao, Pinkston, Faulk) for the two starting guard spots. But those aren't high ticket items.
Not many offseasons have been clearer: It's about the QB. If this same team had a top 15 QB, Carlos Hyde, and maybe the Penn State or Wisconsin WR? 10 wins and up. We have 10 picks and the most cap space in the entire NFL and a really good core of young talent.
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i'm just arguing the fact that we don't have to use any of our other picks to move up for any QB.
we could trade for mallet or how about just sit there at 6 and pick the BQB available?
then we have plenty of picks to draft our other needs.
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