A Valid Question for Chud about the NE Game...
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Zombo said:
Well ... That was dumb.
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I guess his thought was to "get his guys together and get on the same page", but he had to know what was about to happen. We needed all of the time on the clock that we could get, and that one time out might have been the difference between a 57yd miss and a 49yd game winner.
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You NEVER go for 2 until you have to, PERIOD. I don't give a flying fuck about "the book", it's just wrong. There was almost an entire football game left to play, with many possessions left. You always take the sure point until your hand is forced by time and or possessions. Those of you that were in The Tavern know how loudly I was screaming when Chud kept the offense on the field...............It was a bad coaching decision, period. Hopefully he learns from this, as well as his wasted last time out.
Game day managing is tough, regardless of the sport. I coach a high level 18u softball team and have made plenty of game day mistakes myself, but I don't make them twice.
You NEVER go for 2 until you have to, PERIOD. I don't give a flying fuck about "the book", it's just wrong. There was almost an entire football game left to play, with many possessions left. You always take the sure point until your hand is forced by time and or possessions. Those of you that were in The Tavern know how loudly I was screaming when Chud kept the offense on the field...............It was a bad coaching decision, period. Hopefully he learns from this, as well as his wasted last time out.
"the book" should never be abandoned. of course, it's not 100% but it is supported by factual statistical probability
Game day managing is tough, regardless of the sport. I coach a high level 18u softball team and have made plenty of game day mistakes myself, but I don't make them twice.
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Sorry Burn, I coach by my own book, no one else's. Going for 2 in the 2nd qtr of a football game simply to make the score a nice, round 14 is a bad decision. At 12 you're already up two scores, which means 2 possessions. Had there of been 5 minutes left in the game, which would mean that the Pats *might* get 2 more possessions and score on their last one and go ahead of us with no time left for us to respond, then yea, take the risk and see if we can take it to 2 full TDs.........Not in the frickin' 2nd qtr.
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What is Mike Lombardi opinion?
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
I haven't been more angry during a football game than I was right after NE scored 30 seconds after they called that time out. Yeah you're gonna stop NE when they have the ball at the 1, four downs and just effortlessly marched down the field twice in about 90 seconds (albeit with quite the bit of help). That timeout could've gotten us another play which could've given us the 3 yards so 'ol billy could've kicked the game winner instead of coming up short.
This game encompasses every aspect of the browns post '99 that makes me want to drink heavily. We play really well, we start slow but our D manages to keep us in the game, we go into half time without giving up multiple scores 5 mins prior, our offense seemingly scores the dagger touchdown late in the 4th quarter . . . But then . . . Our D goes soft, a miracle happens for the other team, the refs bend us over and go balls deep, our offense puts an impressive 30 second drive together to crush the opposition's great comeback . . . 1 play and 3 yards short . . . we lose like we have so many times before.
I don't think I'm gonna watch anymore NFL after the Bears come to town . . . Until Weedbellhanie gets hurt and they have to put tanney in . . . Or April whichever comes first. Speaking of April if our FO decides to pull the trigger on a high pick QB he better pan out or I'm gonna have to . . . . Oh yeah there's absolutely nothing I can do but hope they send a big lollipop with my season ticket package.
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What is Mike Lombardi opinion?
What is Mike Lombardi opinion?
Too bad Chud didn't go to his clinic.
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chuds a fuckin dud.
after this season is over him and norv will have to wear diapers after the hole haslam tears them.
i see nothing new or exciting about play calling or the growth of our playmakers under these goofs.
yet (even though the guy's a stiff) shurmur looks better right now as an OC than turner.
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chuds a fuckin dud.
after this season is over him and norv will have to wear diapers after the hole haslam tears them.
i see nothing new or exciting about play calling or the growth of our playmakers under these goofs.
yet (even though the guy's a stiff) shurmur looks better right now as an OC than turner.
chuds a fuckin dud.
after this season is over him and norv will have to wear diapers after the hole haslam tears them.
i see nothing new or exciting about play calling or the growth of our playmakers under these goofs.
yet (even though the guy's a stiff) shurmur looks better right now as an OC than turner.
Seriously? Gordon and Cameron have blossomed with three different QBs throwing to them, one that is legally Retarded.
Gordon has 1400 yards in a vertical attack ... Murmur rarely threw the ball down field.
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chuds a fuckin dud.
after this season is over him and norv will have to wear diapers after the hole haslam tears them.
i see nothing new or exciting about play calling or the growth of our playmakers under these goofs.
yet (even though the guy's a stiff) shurmur looks better right now as an OC than turner.
Seriously? Gordon and Cameron have blossomed with three different QBs throwing to them, one that is legally Retarded.
Gordon has 1400 yards in a vertical attack ... Murmur rarely threw the ball down field.
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Zombo said:
Seriously? Gordon and Cameron have blossomed with three different QBs throwing to them, one that is legally Retarded.
Gordon has 1400 yards in a vertical attack ... Murmur rarely threw the ball down field.
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guess that all has changed since he went to the city of brotherly love and has a real QB and a real RB and a coach above him who chud wishes he could sniff the taint of.
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Zombo said:
He ain't running his own stupid wco anymore, he is running Chipsters spread.
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you are one funny stubborn dude.
can't wait to meet you.
better bring my gold card.
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I didn't mind the decision I HATED the play call though
I agree 100%. I understand that New England is easier to run on than most teams, but the Browns don't have a short-yardage back that can be counted on to get the 2 yards WITH the OL that currently exists.
I like the aggressive play calling this season - shows the staff is trying to WIN ballgames, instead of playing NOT TO LOSE.
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I didn't mind the decision I HATED the play call though
I agree 100%. I understand that New England is easier to run on than most teams, but the Browns don't have a short-yardage back that can be counted on to get the 2 yards WITH the OL that currently exists.
I like the aggressive play calling this season - shows the staff is trying to WIN ballgames, instead of playing NOT TO LOSE.
I like the aggressive play calling this season - shows the staff is trying to WIN ballgames, instead of playing NOT TO LOSE.
Aggressive, and stupid are two different things. Going for a 4th & 1 at midfield is aggressive, and like most coaching decisions, you're a genius if you make it and a moron if you don't. But not taking what is as close to a 100% sure thing as you can get extra point, for a 50/50ish (don't know the exact stat) gamble 2pt IN THE SECOND QUARTER, is the pure definition of stupid.
Tell me again, what was the final score? Would that 100% guaranteed 1pt come in handy for us?
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Chud knows he has trouble running the ball and had an inferior team. He wanted as many points as he could get early and try to hold Brady off. Not a bad plan. He's aggressive and with a 4 win team you can't fault him for that
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i fault chud, norv and horton for 75% of the reasons we have lost the games we have.
who's the QB guru that got hired cuz he could fix weeden? who'd the off coord that turns TEs into super stars and QBs into legends? (see how well rivers is playing this year?)
who's the d coord that is going to be the next mike tomlin?
well there's a search party out for all of them. maybe they fell through the ice.
doesn't take long for a NYer to smell bums. live in a box and piss and shit in a pickle jar. then ask you for $5 dollars to buy some ripple.
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i fault chud, norv and horton for 75% of the reasons we have lost the games we have.
who's the QB guru that got hired cuz he could fix weeden? who'd the off coord that turns TEs into super stars and QBs into legends? (see how well rivers is playing this year?)
who's the d coord that is going to be the next mike tomlin?
well there's a search party out for all of them. maybe they fell through the ice.
doesn't take long for a NYer to smell bums. live in a box and piss and shit in a pickle jar. then ask you for $5 dollars to buy some ripple.
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i fault chud, norv and horton for 75% of the reasons we have lost the games we have.
who's the QB guru that got hired cuz he could fix weeden? who'd the off coord that turns TEs into super stars and QBs into legends? (see how well rivers is playing this year?)
who's the d coord that is going to be the next mike tomlin?
well there's a search party out for all of them. maybe they fell through the ice.
doesn't take long for a NYer to smell bums. live in a box and piss and shit in a pickle jar. then ask you for $5 dollars to buy some ripple.
i fault chud, norv and horton for 75% of the reasons we have lost the games we have.
who's the QB guru that got hired cuz he could fix weeden? who'd the off coord that turns TEs into super stars and QBs into legends? (see how well rivers is playing this year?)
who's the d coord that is going to be the next mike tomlin?
well there's a search party out for all of them. maybe they fell through the ice.
doesn't take long for a NYer to smell bums. live in a box and piss and shit in a pickle jar. then ask you for $5 dollars to buy some ripple.
Yes , because Rivers is now unshackled and has an audible system to work with...Voila!!!
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I didn't mind the decision I HATED the play call though
I agree 100%. I understand that New England is easier to run on than most teams, but the Browns don't have a short-yardage back that can be counted on to get the 2 yards WITH the OL that currently exists.
I like the aggressive play calling this season - shows the staff is trying to WIN ballgames, instead of playing NOT TO LOSE.
I agree 100%. I understand that New England is easier to run on than most teams, but the Browns don't have a short-yardage back that can be counted on to get the 2 yards WITH the OL that currently exists.
I like the aggressive play calling this season - shows the staff is trying to WIN ballgames, instead of playing NOT TO LOSE.
Yep, I agree with the decision but not the play call. Campbell was throwing well, they should've tried to convert the two with a play-action pass. I do think that Chud was too aggressive against Jags when Weeden threw 2 interceptions and fumbled. He should've hit the brakes and just gotten Weeden out of the situation and recoup in the locker room at high time.
i fault chud, norv and horton for 75% of the reasons we have lost the games we have.
who's the QB guru that got hired cuz he could fix weeden? who'd the off coord that turns TEs into super stars and QBs into legends? (see how well rivers is playing this year?)
who's the d coord that is going to be the next mike tomlin?
well there's a search party out for all of them. maybe they fell through the ice.
You'd need a brain surgeon to fix Weeden's problems. It isn't Chud or Norv's fault Weeden isn't mentally quick enough to adapt to the game at the NFL level.
Jordan Cameron is having the best year of his career, as are Haden, Buster Skrine, Josh Gordon and Phil Taylor.
The Browns aren't a team that you are going to fix in one season, but they are way better than last year, and I don't care what the team's record is.
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Wow, this thread is full of lousy.
The choice to go for 2 was probably correct, tho it is close. Whether it was converted or not is irrelevant.
Process, not results fellas. If you walk into a casino and put a hundred on black and it hits, is it a good bet? No, bad bet, good result.
Good site here http://www.advancednflstats.com/ and an article from him http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/a-new-study-on-fourth-downs-go-for-it/
Chud is near top of the NFL in 4th down decisions. We should be excited to have him.
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I like the aggressive play calling this season - shows the staff is trying to WIN ballgames, instead of playing NOT TO LOSE.
Aggressive, and stupid are two different things. Going for a 4th & 1 at midfield is aggressive, and like most coaching decisions, you're a genius if you make it and a moron if you don't. But not taking what is as close to a 100% sure thing as you can get extra point, for a 50/50ish (don't know the exact stat) gamble 2pt IN THE SECOND QUARTER, is the pure definition of stupid.
Tell me again, what was the final score? Would that 100% guaranteed 1pt come in handy for us?
Aggressive, and stupid are two different things. Going for a 4th & 1 at midfield is aggressive, and like most coaching decisions, you're a genius if you make it and a moron if you don't. But not taking what is as close to a 100% sure thing as you can get extra point, for a 50/50ish (don't know the exact stat) gamble 2pt IN THE SECOND QUARTER, is the pure definition of stupid.
Tell me again, what was the final score? Would that 100% guaranteed 1pt come in handy for us?
Wrong again. As somebody else already said... if you would take time to read through the comments...
New England scored to go up 1 pt, and went for 2 which was unsuccessful. Remember that?
If they would have kicked an extra point, they win by 2 pts. Still with me?
... meaning the decision to go for 2 was exactly the correct decision b/c in that scenario if we convert, and they kick an extra point at the end, it's a tie game going into OT... get it???
13-0 in the 2nd quarter is NO better than 12-0... a TD and extra point still beat you at some point. Early in the game is the perfect time to go for 2 to prevent defeat at the hands of an extra point...
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