Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!

Mark O

Peter King seems to think the Browns would be willing to trade their 2nd first round pick to the skins for Cousins if they make him available.

Shep

Yeah, King loves Cousins. I watched him some yesterday... I'm not sure he'd beat out Hoyer. They're both in that "good but limited" category in my opinion, but maybe one or both prove me wrong.

To get the top WR, 2nd QB, and top RB in the draft would be off the charts. But like others have said, Carr isn't likely to make it out of the top 10.

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Peter King is a fat blowhard asshole who loves Boston and hates everyone else. His Twitter remarks are filled with backhanded condescension and many of his opinions, while being in-depth and well thought out, turn out to be wrong.

I will agree that I believed Mo should have won Sportsman of the Year, however.

I just generally dislike the guy.

thenew23

@miktoxic said:

i like it too BUT as marko and TCPO said no way carr drops that far.

also i question whether watkins is the best WR. only thing missing on that list is 3 OL.

I think you're overemphasizing the O-line need just a little... Look at the Dolphins. 4-2 since losing the entire left side of their line... Why? Tannehill has been playing great football, and they have played well on D... It would be nice to add to our run blocking at the G position, but really the guys we have at OL are good enough for this team to win with improved QB play and getting off the field on D...

Shep

Seems to be we have a lot of talent on the line, especially with Pinkston for the full year and Chris Faulk healthy and ready to compete. Did anybody think the new guy didn't have holes to run through? And it seemed to me the pass blocking was very good.

I don't think the line is our biggest issue, although you can always get better. When you have an offense based around Jason Campbell and Edwin Baker (if that's his name), improving the line is like buying a toaster because your dishwasher broke.

Flyin J

@shep said:

Seems to be we have a lot of talent on the line, especially with Pinkston for the full year and Chris Faulk healthy and ready to compete. Did anybody think the new guy didn't have holes to run through? And it seemed to me the pass blocking was very good.

I don't think the line is our biggest issue, although you can always get better. When you have an offense based around Jason Campbell and Edwin Baker (if that's his name), improving the line is like buying a toaster because your dishwasher broke.

The Bears defense is riddled with injuries and they are the worst run defense in the NFL. If we would like a productive ground game next year, offensive guard has to be a priority. Chud does not want to throw the ball at this rate and only does because we suck at run blocking. A real FB would be nice too.

The Gipper

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Peter King is a fat blowhard asshole who loves Boston and hates everyone else. His Twitter remarks are filled with backhanded condescension and many of his opinions, while being in-depth and well thought out, turn out to be wrong.

I will agree that I believed Mo should have won Sportsman of the Year, however.

I just generally dislike the guy.

But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.

Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.

calfoxwc

With Pinkston back, and Faulk? who I completely lost reading about....

things aren't any critical need. I do think Lavauo, in the least, shares time on passing downs

to Faulk. Somebody needs to. And our RT will/should get a little stronger.

Being at the Bears game (btw, the Bears fans were great people to be around)...

"1a. Sammy Watkins - WR - Clemson
1b. Derek Carr - QB - Fres St
2. Ka'deem Carey - RB - Arizona
3a. A.J. Johnson - ILB - Tennessee
3b. Tre Boston - CB - UNC"

would make a lot of sense, cept yes, Carr will be long gone.Insert Bortles, and I like it even better.

I wonder if a couple of those blue chip ILB's would be so elite, that they'd warrant that second round pick. If Tre Boston

lasted til that 3b, that would be solid, cept I imagine cb will go early and often in the second round, too.

It's awesome to have the "critical needs" list for the Browns being a very short list. That is huge.

Flyin J

Get out of here with these, well we have Chris Faulk comments lmao. Faulk, Pinkston and Gilkey are all long shots to be average NFL guards let alone real difference makers in the run game.

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@the-gipper said:

But....he may also be a person in whom Mike Lombardi confides.....you know....a couple of fat blowhard assholes blowing each other's holes.

Whatever King is otherwise, in this regard, there is one thing he may be: right.

I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.

Browns149

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.

I agree. If you read his column every week, it's about 50% correct and 50% rumor that doesn't happen.

The Gipper

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I doubt that's the case. This is likely just King once again claiming something in case it actually happens.

OK, but, that is exactly what Lombardi did when he was "in the media". So perhaps he learned it from King. Point is, those two are BBs.....so they do talk....or grunt at each other.

PoeticG

I'm voting for Derek Carr...

PoeticG

...I don't know why, but my first impressions of the guy he kind of reminds me of Otto...

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@the-gipper said:
OK, but, that is exactly what Lombardi did when he was "in the media". So perhaps he learned it from King. Point is, those two are BBs.....so they do talk....or grunt at each other.

I don't know what you're stretching for, but okay. Sure.

Shep

Chris Faulk was expected to be a 1 or 2 before blowing out his knee. Now after a redshirt year, he should go back to being seen that way. I think a Greco/Pinkston duo would've been very good this year. If I understand correctly, Lauvao isn't mobile enough for this scheme and Schwartz isn't ideal for going downfield in the passing game.

Flyin J

I don't remember ever hearing Faulk was that good. I heard he was a damn good guy to take a late round flier on, but in no way a plug and play guy. And he played tackle in college so now he has to learn a whole new position. If we don't draft a guy in the second or third, or go hard after the top free agent I'd be shocked. Luavou is a plodder who stands his ground in pass pro but has no ability to pull for any kind of outside run. Greco may be the best of the bunch at that and he's not very good. Luavou also sucks at getting to the second level on interior runs when asked to. Pinkston is inconsistent but I do think he's got starting guard ability. Greco is valuable because we can move him around.

thenew23

Luavou is as good as gone, he's a UFA and if we re-sign him we'd be dumb. As far as Faulk, he was a great UDFA pick-up IF he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn't count on him starting at RT next year. I think I'm one of the only people who don't see the line as a major problem. We need a better run game, but I think getting a legit FB and legit RB can change that. Look at the guys who have been carrying the ball all year... garbage... We could get another G, but I'm not thinking it's top 5 in needs. 1-QB, 2-WR, 3-RB, 4-ILB, 5-CB, 6-FS, then maybe a G, FB, or another LB

Flyin J

@thenew23 said:
Luavou is as good as gone, he's a UFA and if we re-sign him we'd be dumb. As far as Faulk, he was a great UDFA pick-up IF he can get/stay healthy. I wouldn't count on him starting at RT next year. I think I'm one of the only people who don't see the line as a major problem. We need a better run game, but I think getting a legit FB and legit RB can change that. Look at the guys who have been carrying the ball all year... garbage... We could get another G, but I'm not thinking it's top 5 in needs. 1-QB, 2-WR, 3-RB, 4-ILB, 5-CB, 6-FS, then maybe a G, FB, or another LB

I don't think a FB is in their plans. There were plenty of options they wanted no part of. My guess is they're happy with dual RB's, an HBack type and bringin in Billy Winn in goal line situations. A guard will be added this year.

thenew23

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I don't think a FB is in their plans. There were plenty of options they wanted no part of. My guess is they're happy with dual RB's, an HBack type and bringin in Billy Winn in goal line situations. A guard will be added this year.

I hear ya. I just wish these guys could recognize the benefit of having a good FB on the roster. Unless you have a QB like Brady or Manning, It really helps to have a good FB on your team, or at least a FB/TE hybrid, or even a FB/RB hybrid (sorry, Barnidge and/or Ogby just don't cut it). I've seen too many 3rd & 2's stopped b/c we couldn't keep it on the ground, or hit that guy wide open out of the backfield. We saw it a couple times with Ogby in the redzone, and the 1 TD to Barnidge against NE, but look at BAL, CAR, CHI, GB, KC, MIA, PIT, SF, and SEA. All good teams, and all use a FB, or at least a hybrid guy, in a variety of ways but especially in short yardage. Those teams don't get stopped on 3rd & 2 very often, and many of them will be in the playoffs b/c of it....